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First pics of current PSP2 DevKit [Update: Large Update In OP]
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thechemist
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Would be great to have some AAA titles on day one, then for others to filter through, hopefully there will be less licensing issues as there are with psone titles.
CoD is too established on home systems, I think, to suddenly catch fire in a handheld context. The only way it could do that is if handheld exclusive iterations that were as compelling as the home games started to appear, and I think that's unlikely.
However, a version that was closer to the home version and linked to it in a number of ways (e.g. shared identity between versions, so you can spread your leveling across home and handheld) could do good business among CoD players who aren't as home as much as they'd like.
However, a version that was closer to the home version and linked to it in a number of ways (e.g. shared identity between versions, so you can spread your leveling across home and handheld) could do good business among CoD players who aren't as home as much as they'd like.
TestOfTide
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I find it funny that the first system to get analog stick placement correct (having them both at the top for easiest FPS control) is a handheld
You're talking about a series that has Wii ports.
Yeah the wii ports don't sell nearly as much, but with a smaller screen and computing power that can handle the Doom 3 engine they could easily just make CoD ports by using lower res textures and trimming the polygons a bit like with Resident Evil 4 on the PS2. And keep in mind that the console versions are already low enough in polygon count to allow for 3DTV support.
They only real problem I could see is that CoD multiplayer isn't very "jump in" friendly due to all the loading it takes for each match.
gofreak said:
You're talking about a series that has Wii ports.
Yeah the wii ports don't sell nearly as much, but with a smaller screen and computing power that can handle the Doom 3 engine they could easily just make CoD ports by using lower res textures and trimming the polygons a bit like with Resident Evil 4 on the PS2. And keep in mind that the console versions are already low enough in polygon count to allow for 3DTV support.
They only real problem I could see is that CoD multiplayer isn't very "jump in" friendly due to all the loading it takes for each match.
Infinite Justice
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Ignis Fatuus said:
it seems they did learn, IIRC they did a market research which supposedly listed that as the major factor and assumed thats why the PSPGo didn't do as expected.
Should be interesting what they will use (memory stick, new format, etc).
Lonely1 said:
Now to be honest with, porting Black Ops or the future MW3 isn't the answer in this case. If I want to play BlackOps, it's on the PS360. The key is exclusive. No doubt it will be a tough sell. Activision would need to get a good cut of the royalties for this to happen.
Well, if these rumors have any merit this thing will be pretty powerful. Is Call of Duty really that technically demanding? If they could emulate a proper online Call of Duty experience on a handheld my interest level in this thing would immediately skyrocket as I'm sure a lot of people's would. We still really don't have that kind of experience on a handheld yet and there's probably a big market just waiting for it. I truly believe that's the next big thing in gaming, these kinds of hugely popular multiplayer games (World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Halo) on a handheld system.Boney said:
charlequin
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gofreak said:
Yeah, I pretty much can agree with all of this. And there's certainly more space for something like Uncharted Portable once portable-specific IPs have been established -- then it'd be much less likely to create that feeling of being an also-ran since unique experiences were already available.
We'll see about the CPU. Dual Core 1GHz ARMs are 2011 stuff, and there are already numerous PSP2 devkits in circulation right now.M3d10n said:
Regarding the GPU: The PSP2 is expected to use a much higher resolution screen, which impacts performance (assuming it actually renders at more than 0.3Mpx). Also, assuming Nintendo uses the 3DSquare extension, we're not looking at half the performance for 3D rendering. One of the unique features of the Maesto line of GPUs is an optimized pipeline for stereoscopic rendering. And if one compares some of the 3DS games shown so far to techdemos on higher clocked, shader based embedded GPUs like Z430 or Tegra, Maestro sure seems more efficient at rendering advanced effects.
Don't get me wrong, I fully expect the PSP2 to be more powerful, but by how much? Will we see a PS3 - Wii difference, or something closer to the differences same generation systems usually show? My guess would be the latter at this point.
AranhaHunter
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gofreak said:
What about something like Warhawk or Battlefield 1942 (PSN/XBL games) that could be downloaded on both the home console (PS3/360/Wii) and the portable (PSP2/3DS). Not only can you carry your save over so you can play on the go and then continue playing on the home console when you get home (or connect to a TV, assuming the PSP2/3DS have HDMI/TV out) but you could also cross platform play. Of course the portable version would have downgraded visuals and audio, but overall you'd get the same experience. The most important thing is the gamesharing, I don't want some bullshit NeoGeo shit where I have to pay twice for the same content if I want to play on both my PSP and PS3.
Allow me to give you an example of what I'm talking about, let's say, for the sake of argument, that Starhawk exists and is a sequel to Warhawk and has SP and Co op and is an early 2012 PSN title. I would be able to download that off PSN and be able to play in HD and its full glory on my PS3 or play a visually downgraded version on the go with my PSP2. Now, every day when I go to go work I can sync up my game saves (either through cloud saving or wi fi PSP2-PS3 connection) and continue playing when I ride the metro to/from work, and if I feel like playing competitive I can connect to the wi fi connection at work (I don't expect 3G/4G to be able to provide a pleasant online experience) and play some deathmatches against other PSP2/PS3 players.
I've been saying this would be a huge selling point for me and I'm sure for others as well, but I don't know how feasible that is. Something like that would really sell me on the PSP2 though, right now I'm feeling kinda meh towards it while still keeping an eye on the 3DS to see whether or not its 3D hook will get me. Once I get my Android phone, I'll really need something extraordinary from a dedicated handheld machine in order for me to buy it.
Might sound absurd but after getting an iphone i stopped carrying DS and PSP with me. Not because of the games but having a 24/7 3g access on iphone makes it more fun. I feel so limited with wifi only gaming devices now.
buying games on the go is amazing! Or when u get bored of a game, you can start to surf anytime anywhere etc.
buying games on the go is amazing! Or when u get bored of a game, you can start to surf anytime anywhere etc.
AranhaHunter said:
Yeah thats what I was thinking too. Either this or Sony should allow ALL PS3 games to be playable on the PSP2 (since it now has dual sticks?) via the remote functionality. How often I had the urge to play Demon's Soul or GOW3 etc when I have been away from my PS3. This would do wonders kinda OnLive for PS3 owners. I would buy one for this reason alone.
Eccocid said:
That's the other area Sony needs to push. Allow more PSP minis at cheaper prices. Open their platform to more game devs and even to small indie devs to increase the library even if some are junk like we see tons on iPhone. But look how fast it has grown.
A.R.K said:
You got something there. I like the remote play functionality of the PSP. Unfortunately it was limited. With two analogue sticks + L2+R2 buttons, it just might work. I would like better connection preferences. The current remote play system certainly does not take advantage of boosted wireless networks. Now my wife and kids can continue watching TV on the big screen while I get some PS3 gaming via PSP2.
Regarding Eccocid's comment, I think his point was more of the convenience of an all-in-one device. Why carry three when you can carry one? Unfortunately Sony is partially addressing this with the PSP-Phone, which I believe is more of an extension of the current PSP.
ok. this hasn't been talked about yet as far as i can see
one of my biggest problems with the PSP is the interconnectivity bullshit. instead of ensuring they have a decent online infrastructure that developers are encouraged to use, they release a feature that lets you play PSP games online if you have a PS3
they expect you to pay 200+ quid to buy another console so you can play games online. the PSP2 cant fall into this trap. it needs to be a fully featured system that stands on its own twon feet. if not, even i wont buy one
one of my biggest problems with the PSP is the interconnectivity bullshit. instead of ensuring they have a decent online infrastructure that developers are encouraged to use, they release a feature that lets you play PSP games online if you have a PS3
they expect you to pay 200+ quid to buy another console so you can play games online. the PSP2 cant fall into this trap. it needs to be a fully featured system that stands on its own twon feet. if not, even i wont buy one
sajj316 said:
Actually PSP is almost a all in one handheld..except 3g!
That's what i want to be honest..at least an option for ppl who would want to use it. I already have 4gb per month from my provider . Having a only wifi portable device sounds kinda lame for me no matter how many good games it has..
CamHostage
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Sipowicz said:
Ad-Hoc Party is actually a relatively new function, and it's honestly a good idea: take the local multiplayer and re-route it through a home base connection. Of course, it won't beat true online (with PSN support, which PSP1 is sadly missing and thus hurts in online play without a Friends list to check,) but it's there.
NOBODY is expecting you to buy a PS3 to play this, and I can't imagine anybody actually has bought a PS3 just to play their PSP games online. (In fact, I haven't seen the stats but my guess is that Ad-Hoc Party is rarely used. Too complicated and unpromoted.) There are a good number of PSP games that have true online play, including all the SOCOMs and Killzone and PSU and others. The problem is that online is expensive to produce and portables don't usually get much budget. Then there's the fact that PSN wasn't integrated and so it's even harder to take online, and many other factors as to why developers don't use it. But Infrastructure mode is on there (with VOIP on some games, even) and it's awesome when developers use it.
PSP2 won't fall into this trap... the trap doesn't even exist, really. But you are right that local multiplayer has been the fallback for too many PSP1 games. Now, will a bigger percentage of multiplayer games support online on PSP2 over PSP1? That's a different question. So far we seem to be getting a bigger commitment to online on 3DS than on DS (SF4 and RE:Mercenaries are both online, I think?), and iOS has shown good interest in online play with handhelds. There are even rumors of 3G or some other cellular online for PSP2. But at $30-40 for current handheld games with relatively few killer apps doing multiple millions, there's only so much work that developers can afford to put into portable game development. Either the budgets (and prices) need to go up, or Sony needs to invest in more online infrastructure, or both... or, best-case scenario, online gaming with pocket-sized machines becomes a phenomenon (kind of like how 4P co-op went bananas with MH PSP) and the games with online sell well enough to justify the investment at whatever pricepoint.
Callibretto
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gofreak said:
there's also people who just don't want to give handheld a chance. Syphon Filter don't have current console counterpart, it's a great game and yet what people want is PS3 Syphon Filter despite Syphon Filter psp is better than any SF released before. but I can understand that because tps genre benefit a lot from dual analog console control.
but smaller portable friendly games like Loco Roco and Patapon, yet I've seen a lot of people want HD Patapon / Locoroco on ps3. or said that they don't want to play it because it's psp etc.
maybe it's the psp brand that has been tainted or something. I can't imagine people asking console version if Patapon or Locoroco are ds titles.
brain_stew
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Nuclear Muffin said:
You might say that..............if you're blind.
KAL2006 said:
I think if there is one thing that people in this thread would agree with, its that Sony know how to spoil competitor hardware launches, even when their own hardware isn't out for ages. I'm sure they'll announce/show something at minimum GDC, but ideally CES to get more press and more time to build anticipation before 3DS launch fever
Reading the update, I'm curious enough already to pause on the 3DS (of course I'll get a preorder in ASAP just in case). I only want one 'proper' handheld next gen, and don't particularly care about 3D (will reserve the right to backpedal after seeing it). So it'll be down to the games. 3DS has a natural benefit to me due to having Nintendo games, so its down to Sony and what they can produce to make PSP2 compelling enough for me.
I am a bit wary of them using first parties to create unique new IPs - both from a 'getting people to buy them' point of view but also risking spreading themselves too thinly and supporting neither PSP2 or PS3 (and upcoming PS4) well enough - Nintendo doesn't really, but they do use existing characters/franchises to create uniquely handheld versions. I think that'd be enough
Cosmonaut X
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Amir0x said:
Yeah, some people *rolleyes*
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Cuban Legend
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I like how everyone gives a damn that this shows 2 analog sticks.
It's like Sony purposely only gave the PSP a single joystick so that everyone would focus on that flaw and not think about how shitty the games could still be even with 2 analog sticks.
It's like Sony purposely only gave the PSP a single joystick so that everyone would focus on that flaw and not think about how shitty the games could still be even with 2 analog sticks.
Cosmonaut X
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RiverBed said:
A quick Google search may reveal the culprit... ;-)
The Take Out Bandit
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Sipowicz said:
AdHoc party is a retarded solution to an avoidable problem. I hang my head in shame when I read threads from gamers on lesser forums requesting Sony create an AdHoc Party system for PS3 games; speaking to the intellectual power of the average gamer. Or just podcast listening meme parroting forum morons.
PSP2 will hopefully be fully integrated with your Playstation Network account and avoid all the dumb decisions that held back the PSP online and in the West.
News from IGN sounds great! Looking forward to PSP2 despite lack of UMD functionality, you jerks cried about UMD; now it's gone. PSP = Sony's Saturn. Awesome library. Awesome hardware. Completely disrespected by gamers for no good reason.
I just hope the awesome games and developers on PSP aren't replaced with Western shovelware, FPS garbage, and the general state of PC-to-Console style games that are ruining the modern console market.
Finally, $299.99 OR BUST!
Ezduo said:
Exactly, the big thing that would interest me on a handheld is online gaming
If online gaming matches consoles, so we get features like, voice chat, messaging, invite, friedlists and etc, then that would instantly make me buy a PSP2.
If I can play
SSFIV, COD, Gran Turismo online (and LAN), exactly like a PS3/360 then that would be incredible for me.
Graphics Horse
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Cosmonaut X said:
It's so predictable that I'm not going to bother :lol
MightyKAC
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The Take Out Bandit said:
Pretty much this...
If Sony want this thing to survive, let alone compete, it needs to be competitively priced. Hell, if they really wanted to stick it to Nintendo, they would take the loss and release it at 250 but I'm QUITE sure that's got no chance of happening.
Back on point though, if this thing ends up being too expensive right out the gate (like pretty much every system Sony's made since I can remember) then anyone who might be on the fence is gonna go for the 3DS and they run the risk of scaring off the die-hards. Since most folk that I know think that the PSP does what they need it to do and plays the games they want to play on it just fine (I.E play Monster Hunter and JRPG's).
outunderthestars
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The Take Out Bandit said:
It will match the 3ds's price. No way Sony launches this thing for more than what Nintendo is charging... Thankfully Nintendo did them a favor by overpricing their handheld...
H_Prestige
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If 3DS is $250, PSP2 is $300. If 3DS is $300, PSP2 is $350.
This isn't the same Sony from the 90's that will undercut its competitors' pricing.
This isn't the same Sony from the 90's that will undercut its competitors' pricing.
Hypereides
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Just a rumor, but they're saying Sony Bend is developing an Uncharted game for PSP2. Dont know credible the source is.
But fuck me if this means no Syphon Filter PS3
http://galaxynextdoor.com/post/2192375953/rumor-sony-bend-working-on-uncharted-psp2-title
But fuck me if this means no Syphon Filter PS3
http://galaxynextdoor.com/post/2192375953/rumor-sony-bend-working-on-uncharted-psp2-title
Callibretto
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well we can't have everything. Sony does need to have someone to make psp2 games. if Sony Bend goes to PS3 development then who's gonna make the big first party psp game.
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