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Fish Sashimi jumps from dinner plate

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DrBo42 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGNs1VXeFJA
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The fish sashimi, the live octopus, etc is whatever but this is fucking disgusting

How the fuck could someone prepare and eat something like this?
 
A Fish Aficionado said:
I don't get the overreactions. Have you people ever been fishing?

Are we really that removed from our food supply?
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Nah, you can't pull that card, I looked after a goat for a few days, witnessed it's slaughter and ate the food prepared (kinda I'm not sure if I finished it was quite the experience) when I was very young, I'm very aware of my food supply, but eating food that behaves almost as if it's alive is disgusting, the cruelty is off the charts. decency to properly kill it.
 
Haly said:
It's this, isn't it?

The fish is prepared with as much of the organs and nerves preserved as possible so it's still alive in some sense that there is neural activity there.
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Whether it's still alive is debatable. You can easily stimulate neural activity in a freshly isolated nerve cell simply by perfusing with a prepared solution of sodium (or potassium). By changing the concentration of ions across the capacitative membrane, you are changing the voltage across the membrane and can activate voltage-gated ion channels which potentiate an action potential.

Does that necessarily mean the animal is alive in any sense? When I think alive, I think there is processing by the central nervous tissue that propagates to the peripheral nervous system. Here, it's clear that any activity is not stimulated by the CNS.
 
Principate said:
Nah, you can't pull that card, I looked after a goat for a few days, witnessed it's slaughter and ate the food prepared (kinda I'm not sure if I finished it was quite the experience) when I was very young, I'm very aware of my food supply, but eating food that behaves almost as if it's alive is disgusting, the cruelty is off the charts.
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But it's clearly dead. It's just nerve and muscle contractions.
 
A Fish Aficionado said:
But it's clearly dead. It's just nerve and muscle contractions.
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You could describe life as nerve as muscle contractions simple with the brain giving signals, the point is it behaves like it's alive which should set off warning signs by itself. I mean would you consider someone whose in a coma but completely brain dead alive.
 
Principate said:
You could describe life as nerve as muscle contractions, the point is it behaves like it's alive which should set off warning signs by itself. I mean would you consider someone whose in a coma but completely brain dead alive.
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Thats very simplistic. If a person is brain dead they should be only kept "alive" if they are an organ donor as long as possible to keep the organs viable. There are protocols in place to establish brain death.
 
I think it's just a visceral reaction to seeing something that looks alive even if it's clearly dead.

Like with spiders. Some people get upset at spiders, some don't. Some people get upset at dead things that behave like they were alive, some don't!
 
Principate said:
You could describe life as nerve as muscle contractions simple with the brain giving signals, the point is it behaves like it's alive which should set off warning signs by itself. I mean would you consider someone whose in a coma but completely brain dead alive. I personally would
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The two situations are not alike. In one, the patient cannot possibly be brain-dead or the essential life-sustaining metabolic reactions and physiological processes cannot continue.

In the example of the fish, we're saying that the portions of fish are completely separated from the CNS. Most people would argue that for something to be alive, the CNS needs to exhibit measurable activity. What activity that is, is debatable (we don't nearly understand enough). But what I can say is that movement of the periphery, alone, is not enough to say something is alive. Because I can easily make a neuron fire and contract a muscle fibre independent of these two ever having been inside a living organism. That the muscle fiber contracts at all is purely a physiological phenomenon (which at its core, is a series of ionic flux and biochemical reactions).
 
That frog feels pain at least kill in less painful way than a knife through the neck, while its conscious. If that's too much to ask, because it affects the flavor at least freeze it to numb said pain. The frog was blown up in defensive posturing it clearly was freaking out.

I get a lot of animal abuse takes place in farms, but this is different. I am paying a premium already to eat super fresh food at least treat the thing with respect.
 
So this is where the Souls team gets their inspiration from.

Seafood places.
 
Kieli said:
The two situations are not alike. In one, the patient cannot possibly be brain-dead or the essential life-sustaining metabolic reactions and physiological processes cannot continue.

In the example of the fish, we're saying that the portions of fish are completely separated from the CNS. Most people would argue that for something to be alive, the CNS needs to exhibit measurable activity. What activity that is, is debatable (we don't nearly understand enough). But what I can say is that movement of the periphery, alone, is not enough to say something is alive. Because I can easily make a neuron fire and contract a muscle fibre independent of these two ever having been inside a living organism. That the muscle fiber contracts at all is purely a physiological phenomenon (which at its core, is a series of ionic flux and biochemical reactions).
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That's the point, how does the person whose eating that animal know the portions of the fish are separated from the CNS, chances are they don't, a lot of the time I imagine they don't even know if the person who prepared the dish ensured they were dead, and yet they're eating something that's behaving like it's alive.
 
I had the pleasure of eating the sashimi of a lobster tail, of which said lobster's head had the pleasure of watching me eat it at Nobu in San Diego. It was delicious. Afterwards the remaining portion (head, legs) was deep fried and eaten. Again, absolutely delicious.
 
im all for eating raw seafood, but not like that. im sure the fish/frog sashimi is delicious, but i dont want that frog face on my plate.
 
I don't want to watch the video, but I have experienced this first hand.

I was at a sushi restaurant in Japan, and ordered something I couldn't read by pointing at the picture (it had a fish on a plate, whatever).

What was brought to our table was a completely alive fish, gills desperately gasping for air, with it's flesh having been cut up into pieces of sashimi.

The fish was struggling and moving and gasping for a fucking long time as I was sitting there stunned. And meanwhile the sashimi itself was convulsing and jumping.

Humans just don't give a fuck it seems.
 
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