paperspace
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There's no way FXAA will fix that mess.
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Forza Horizon 3 PC vs. Xbox One Graphics Comparison
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There's no way FXAA will fix that mess.
FearlessBelgian
Member
MSAA are broken in the video , dont work...
Somethings up Because this is how Apex looks for me. I'm hoping the optimization is there too. At 5K Forza Apex runs at 90 fps under xtreme conditions outside the cockpit and around 150fps under extreme conditions inside the cockpit maxed out with 8xMSAA
All of this was taken without photomode. The angled shot is from a replay.
I'm hoping whatever driver came out today rectifies the issues as to why the comparison made the PC version look so bad. The MSAA looked like it was busted. The pix above is what maxed out MSAA should look like.
You are correct.
dgrdsv
Member
FXAA will fix that mess easily actually. FXAA is good at fixing (or should I say "blurring"?) such edge specular aliasing. It's one reason why all Assassin's Creed games have FXAA always on alongside MSAA.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
The draw distance and frame rate difference is very pleasing on PC. Very happy that I can potentially run the game at 120hz on my PC.
I just got a wheel, so I'm pumped!
I just got a wheel, so I'm pumped!
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
Yep, going by this footage and the comments here in the thread, I'm gonna probably do the FXAA+MSAA combo. Probably just 2X MSAA though, don't want MSAA using up most of my framerate budget with so many other options, too. I'll take a little bit of jaggies and some shimmering, which I've found pretty tolerable on Xbox One demo so far -- I'll overall be satisfied enough with the PC version if I can get XB1 image quality at 1080p/60fps on my i7-2600HQ+GTX 1060 laptop, but of course I am hoping for better. I think motion blur will probably help with environmental details in motion too.
Horizon games have always had the smoothest feeling 30fps around.
paperspace
Member
I'm pretty sure FXAA can't be captured in a screen shot since it's a post filter.
Dictator93
Member
Oh it definitely can, just not all the time when injected in DX11 and below titles... sometimes the capture software can capture before injected AA is applied.
johnnydrama
Banned
It looks gorgeous on Xbox already, and the PC version has better shadows, reflections, texture filtering, and AA. On top of that it runs at 60FPS. For me that's more than enough to be honest.
pixellated_man
Member
Lol.
BigTnaples
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Why do they do this? Motion blur is one of the best effects you can get on PC.
It can make or break a games look.
I wonder if my i5-3570k/GTX970/16GB will be able to handle this well. I feel like my rig is starting to fall behind
Trust me your rig is going to handle it very, very well.
freefornow
Gold Member
Those 1.3TF standing tall on XB1!!
That 60fps on PC though.
That 60fps on PC though.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Is forza cross but as well?
Want HDR but also want 60fps 4K.
Want HDR but also want 60fps 4K.
johnnydrama
Banned
Yes.
youre not going to get 4k 60 if youve still got 970s
Let me play in windows 7.
LMAO what?
Agreed. If they wanted a real side by side comparison, they shouldn't have turned off motion blur on the PC.
Outerhaven post of raw FH3 PC capture in ultrawide @ 60fps ultra settings on a 980ti:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wx7wyhvzg
3440x1440 60 FPS
PC Settings: Ultra Preset.
PC Used:
E3 1231 Xeon @ 3.5Ghz
16 DDR3 Memory
EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified
Windows 10.
Not even a rockin' machine anymore and it's getting the job done....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wx7wyhvzg
3440x1440 60 FPS
PC Settings: Ultra Preset.
PC Used:
E3 1231 Xeon @ 3.5Ghz
16 DDR3 Memory
EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified
Windows 10.
Not even a rockin' machine anymore and it's getting the job done....
It's interesting just to see if anyone's gonna dare claim the Xbox footage looks "smoother" because it has motion blur on.
TheAdmiester
Member
Good god that's amazing.
I can barely read the FPS counter because of the compression but it seems like your lowest drop is about 45FPS? That's ridiculous for such a high resolution on a 980Ti.
Looks like I'll definitely be able to manage a smooth 60 or above at 1080 on my 980Ti, maybe slightly better too since I have a 6700k.
Thanks for the footage, it looks amazing too and this is the first time I've seen fully overcast scenes in the game, as opposed to rainy but sunny.
Hockeymac18
Member
Looks REALLY great! The dull rain lighting looks phenomenal, my mind was going back and forth between "real life?" and "video game?"...
Karak
Member
Tha straight up shouldn't have been done.
Why is the blur turned off? What is that setting compared to others?
Also an FTP with the HDR version would have been great for folks to be able to see those differences.
Do they go to the city? For most of us thats been the massive FPS killer by the bus stations and a major number of races happen there.
Why is the blur turned off? What is that setting compared to others?
Also an FTP with the HDR version would have been great for folks to be able to see those differences.
Do they go to the city? For most of us thats been the massive FPS killer by the bus stations and a major number of races happen there.
Bornstellar
Member
That looks fantastic.
OverturePT
Member
Good lord, it looks so good.
Robobandit
Member
Nope. I saw him drop to 45 a few times on the open road when cars passed him.. didn't go into the city.. but he was running on ultra w/ 4x msaa.. still pretty impressive for a 980 Ti...
Shadowhaxor
Member
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Sadly, my i7-5820k died on me. Waiting on Intel to RMA it, so until then I'm using my HTPC as back. Yep, the Xeon is my HTPC... and virtualization box. I also forgot to disable vsync. I've done this for some other videos I have rendering.
LelouchZero
Member
I use shadowplay's desktop recording capabilities with my NVIDIA GPU. I think AMD have an alternative with Raptr.
Karak
Member
Wow. Then that is going to be sub 30's in the city easily.
johnnydrama
Banned
Shit port confirmed. Pack it up, UWP.
They should have enabled FXAA, the performance hit would have been minimal while cleaning up the aliasing a bit.
I'm wondering if they turned off motion blur (and FXAA) to produce a "cleaner" image to better compare asset quality between the two versions.
Edit:
I think you can use OBS Studio but I haven't figured out how so far with Forza Apex.
I'm wondering if they turned off motion blur (and FXAA) to produce a "cleaner" image to better compare asset quality between the two versions.
Edit:
I think you can use OBS Studio but I haven't figured out how so far with Forza Apex.
Karak
Member
...what?
Apparently they do this all the time because they just decided...they don't like blur? Honestly their stuff isn't that great anyway but thats just odd.
LelouchZero
Member
Oh my lord, such beauty is on display!
Robobandit
Member
Pretty sure that is a joke.. as I'm sure you're aware, Universal Windows Platform apps have gotten a bad rap for performing poorly. Sub 30 fps drops would probably propel the game into "shit port" territory for some people.. nevermind any logic suggesting that their hardware doesn't go as far as it used to when they bought it...or the fact that it's basically 60 fps everywhere else..
Karak
Member
oh. Gotcha.
Honestly I wasn't aware of any real special issues no. This is actually my second ever game through that store.
As I said earlier the city locations have an issue is all in a couple places. Not all. Agendas I guess.
Damn, looks incredible.
OfTheOverflow
Member
Looks great, but what can I expect with a R9290X and an FX8370 processor? Only looking for 1080/60 and looking better than Xbone.
Atomic Playboy
Member
Sold. I have similar specs (overclocked 2500k @ 4.4 GHz and same GFX / RAM) and I run at 1080P, so I should be golden. I went from "I don't recall hearing about this" to "give it to me NOW" in like 10 hours for this game.
Shadowhaxor
Member
Yep. I just did some more videos, this time a mixture of city and open-road racing. I noticed there was some concern regarding the framerate in the city and honestly it does dip. Suspecting there is still some optimization to be done.
If only you uploaded it in 1440p, we need that higher bitrate that is lacking on youtubes 1080p
Karak
Member
Fantastic enough that I am playing it now versus the PC version.
Its just worth it flat out
