Messofanego
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He's lamenting probably because they were part of the American New Wave movement of filmmakers in the 70s.
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Francis Ford Coppola says George Lucas's attachment to Star Wars was "A Pity"
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Romars202129
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But the director of Godfather I, II, and Apocalypse Now can say whatever the fuck he wants.
As a Star Wars fan I agree completely. Lucas did interesting and fantastic work before Star Wars, and considering that his direction led to my least favorite of the original trilogy and than the prequel trilogy more than a decade later to disastrous results I would have loved to see him stick to doing more experimental work.
Hell, If he directed stuff after Star Wars and in between his work on Indiana Jones that would have been interesting to see. Ah well.
Hell, If he directed stuff after Star Wars and in between his work on Indiana Jones that would have been interesting to see. Ah well.
I would rather watch Phantom Menace a million times than Godfather III. I wish I never watched that movie. Completely ruined the character of Michael Corleone, and Sofia Coppola's acting is probably the worst I've ever seen in a film even to this day. Jar Jar is a more believeable character than her portrayal of Mary Corleone.
You might be thinking of Full Metal Jacket.
Really? So you feel "conflicted" about a film maker's decisions versus his charity donations. Honestly I think the original untouched star wars films are masterpieces and am not into the prequels, but regardless of any of that, anyone who gives that much to charity deserves to be commemorated for their contribution to society. That's an insane amount of money.
CenturionKei
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Apocalypse Now is probably one of my favorite movies. It's a masterpiece.
Yeah well I can't hate anybody who gives that much to charity but I can't like anybody that made the prequels and special dvd editions. I guess I'm stuck on the neutral planet as far as Lucas goes.
Oh so they "raped" your childhood or something right?
Dixon's Jet
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Rape is a disturbing thing to bring up when we're just calmly discussing the flaws and broken nature of the star wars prequels.
uncelestial
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That person left us a loooong time ago.
That's why it's in quotations.
It better be, because Francis pretty much killed himself making it professionally and personally.
ZackieChan
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I've heard for DECADES about how Lucas wanted to do more interesting and experimental stuff. Really sad that literally nothing materialized.
Lucas already did recently a movie. It was hot garbage.
Apocalypse Now was the high point, Star Wars the end of the wave, ushering the way into the reign of big studios (6 control the market), multiplex cinemas and merchandise movies (Hasbro, Marvel etc).
Screaming Meat
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It's a shame you got the first post, isn't it?
After reading many comments in this thread I underappreciated Lucas' works. I would be interested in him making a medium budget movie ran at 48 FPS so it can be used as template to teach other directors how to use the format better. HFR Hobbit made the CGI a lot more realistic but it made all the non0CGI stuff look like a close up view of theater performance.
Ang Lee's next movie is shot in 120 fps, Cameron is doing Avatar 2 in 48 fps. Both guys have been exceptionally good in showing how new techniques should be used.
I have a feeling that many read it as "Star Wars was a mistake. Its nothing but trash."
ZackieChan
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He produced Red Tails. Is that what you're referring to? Or Strange Magic?
Did Lucas direct SM?
I'm sure Coppola is talking more about him actually directing interesting things.
uncelestial
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It's a shame that it turned into a Coppola v. Lucas thread, certainly. I only meant to question the last 30 years of Coppola's career and his own overstaying in the Godfather universe, and call into question this idea that Lucas would've been more successful or fulfilled as a David Lynch-esque "experimental film arteur," leaving aside the question of whether Lucas would even be able to do that to any successful degree, at all. Since he didn't want to, and Coppola is in no position to question the post-success career of anybody, it was a dumb remark.
But dumb remark aside, it was embarassing to find myself on the side of defensive Star Wars fanboys, so yes. A shame.
Was referring to Strange Magic. And yeah, he only (?) did the story, which was bad, but does not qualify for the thing Coppola had in mind. So yeah, my bad. In my defense, a shit story doesn't bode well.
mariachi507
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What a weird thread this turned into. I'm not sure why anybody has felt the need to attack either filmmaker. Coppola isn't attacking Lucas, he just wishes that Lucas would have had a more diverse filmography. I bet Lucas agrees with him.
I like the idea of Lucas making these short experimental films behind closed doors, and then screening them for all of his old film buddies. You've earned it George, live that life.
I like the idea of Lucas making these short experimental films behind closed doors, and then screening them for all of his old film buddies. You've earned it George, live that life.
ZackieChan
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I'm definitely not sold on Lucas being successful with his directorial experiments. Maybe the success of Star Wars scared him off? He was afraid of making his Lovely Bones, one might say.
Dicktatorship
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Man some of y'all sure do take your Star Wars movies a little too seriously.
It's probably a combination of the similar settings and Coppola looking exactly like Kubrick in the special features I watched from Apocalypse Now.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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This thread scares me. Time for an internet break.
Monocle
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I bet you're going to spend that extra free time watching some dumpster fire of a movie by the worst director in the world, like The Godfather 2.
Dicktatorship
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Gangster and War movies are so cliche and boring. You know what's cool though? Lazers, Lazer Swords, Capes, Puppets, regurgitated Eastern Philosophy, and oh yeah; a combined box office revenue of $4.38 billion. Bitch
Langdon Alger
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I agree with Coppola.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Godfather part III is better than any Star Wars film made.
Even better than the one youve made up in your head.
Monocle
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Yeah, there's something coarse and irritating about gangster and war movies. It's nice to see a truly original genre claim the high ground.
I wouldn't go that far, lol.
uncelestial
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The American Film Institute (Star Wars: #13 greatest film ever, GFIII: Not in the top 100), the consensus of professional critics via Metacritic (GF3: 60, SW: 92), public polls, box office returns, depth of fan loyalty, impact on culture, and anyone who has taken note of movies that changed the way films are made, all disagree with you. Godfather III is a piece of shit. It just is. It's not a stretch to compare it to the Star Wars prequels -- for a movie that keeps the conventions, director, actors, and tone of the original Godfather masterpieces, it was as bad as could be done, and every bit the equivalent of the prequels in terms of disappointment and cringe-worthiness. This shit looks more like the beginning of a Batman movie than the end of a Godfather movie. I've seen better approximations of stereotypical "Italian overreacting" in comedy sketches. Setting aside how stupid it is to compare these apples and oranges, nobody agrees with you. And by the way -- you're the only one making that comparison. (Well I am now, but I'm just taking the bait here.) I had a point about the desire to hit up a long-resting franchise leading Coppola astray and I am correct about it.
I don't even fucking like Star Wars, jesus. I'm out.
-shadow-
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Can anyone tell me why The Godfather Part III is terrible? Well other than Coppola's daughter being an absolute terrible actress. Most of the film to me felt like a great movie, with pretty much every frame dedicated to his daughter dragging the film down temporarily. Other than her I found it a great film, not as good as the first two, sure, but nowhere near as bad as everyone tells me they are.
astroturfing
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i thought Francis Ford Coppola died in the 90s so this thread is kind of blowing my mind.
The Hermit
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After Apocalypse Now FFC never reached those high peaks again, but there are still a lot of good, solid movies among 'em:
The Outsiders
Rumble Fish
The Cotton Club
Peggy Sue Got Married
Tucker: The Man and his Dream
Godfather III
The Rainmaker
I wouldn't include Dracula though, that was a pretty lousy movie.
I agree, I think if he had done the trilogy and moved on he would have done some great stuff. He spent a lot of time between the end of ROTJ and the prequels being a back office dude. He should have moved on to other creative endeavors and left Star Wars as it was. I mean it's not like he did nothing as he was producing stuff but he should have been out there doing other projects of his own.
shortsFortallPeople
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Apocalypse Now almost drove the man to madness. You can almost forgive anything after knowing that.
mugurumakensei
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Is this that controversial? Lucas himself said he wished he had done more experimental stuff and he intends to now that he sold Star Wars/Lucasfilms to Disney.
Me too. We could have gotten new shit that was the same caliber as SW or IJ.
He's probably not wrong.
It's also a shame that Coppola was never able to attempt to make another ambitious and risky movie like Apocalypse Now though. I suppose he still has time but I doubt anyone would fund such a project anymore.
Can't wait. I'd watch them for sure.
It's also a shame that Coppola was never able to attempt to make another ambitious and risky movie like Apocalypse Now though. I suppose he still has time but I doubt anyone would fund such a project anymore.
Can't wait. I'd watch them for sure.
Messofanego
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C'mon George, get to doing your small experimental movie!
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