Yep, I think fruit juice is virtually just as bad. While there are some health benefits to substances in fruits, they are mostly in the peel and oxidize easily. Too much high surface area sugars is terrible for the body, whether it is extracted from cane, beets, corn, apples, or grapes.
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Fruit juice just as bad as soda, experts say.
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Messypandas
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Freshmaker said:
why? he was a vegetarian.
Sugar wise this tends to be even worse
beelzebozo
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thetrin said:
not liking an apple is fine, but people who make broad sweeping generalizations about not liking entire categories of food--e.g., "i don't like fruit of any kind"--that strikes me as more obstinance than preference.
Zoramon089
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DennisK4 said:
But you haven't said why...from what I gain, to get the equivalent amount of vitamin C found in fruit juice (i.e orange juice), you'd have to eat a LOT of that fruit which would essentially be the same thing, right? I don't see how the piece of fruit is better besides being more filling
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I imagine he's pretty tough by now. (That and all that poison he ingested probably wouldn't have been healthy for others even when he was fresh.)Messypandas said:
Zoramon089:
If you ate an equivalent number of oranges, you'd also consume more fiber in the process. You lose that fiber when you make juice. Juice and soda etc are "bad" in part because there's not enough fiber balancing out the sugar intake.
Meh. The key is moderation. Of course if you have too much it's not good for you. But if you're an active and fit person, I fail to see why a glass of OJ a day is that bad. I'm talking about the 100% Orange Juice types though, the one with no added sugar and with fortified Vitamin C.
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I eat two servings of Fiber One every day so I don't have to worry about fiber, ever. I buy 5 boxes or so whenever it goes on sale at Target. Two 1/2 cup servings at 60 calories each, and that's 28g of fiber! Bing!
SapientWolf
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I don't care what the experts say. My intuition tells me that fruit juice is healthier than soda. Unlike soda, fruit juice isn't manufactured with chemicals. Hazardous materials signs are required on trucks carrying Coke concentrate.
How many oranges go into one standard cup of OJ? 3? 4? You're basically downing 4 oranges worth of concentrated sugar at one time, without the fiber to slow down the absorption.
The serving size of juice should be the little things they give to kids at school, not a standard 8 ounce container. But it's a bit silly to argue that it's just as bad for you as pop though. Unless it's like Sunny-D. No oil in my juice thank you.
The serving size of juice should be the little things they give to kids at school, not a standard 8 ounce container. But it's a bit silly to argue that it's just as bad for you as pop though. Unless it's like Sunny-D. No oil in my juice thank you.
faceless007
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SapientWolf said:
Al-ibn Kermit
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couple of articles:SapientWolf said:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1037977.htm
http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/newsroom/factsheets/factsheets2004/consumersadvisedtoli2347.cfm
It's basically diluted enough that it's probably not going to hurt you but the problem is that if you applied the same level of regulation on the presence of the pyrrolizidine alkaloids in honey that say Germany has on their presence in herbal remedies, then honey would actually be banned..
There's still only a remote chance that you'd get sick from honey that has those alkaloids present but I'm pissed off that there's so many double standards, even for government regulations, when it comes to food safety.
Replicant said:
The problem is that moderation doesn't work with sugar/corn syrup because it's in everything. Even bread has it now. Unless you're eating primarily whole fruits, vegetables, meat, non-sugar dairy, the eating in moderation tactic is just accumulating little bits of sugars until it ultimately doubles in amount when compared to people 100 years ago.
SapientWolf
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I feel like shit after drinking large amounts of soda but I don't get that problem with fruit juice. Artificial sweetener gives me severe headaches. I trust my body so I go with the option that doesn't make me feel bad.faceless007 said:
I have the metabolism of a ground squirrel so I don't care about the calories.
Al-ibn Kermit
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I don't buy that. You get a lot more sugars from starches like bread than you would get in raw (flavoring) form.teh_pwn said:
Rookje said:
This is a great video...I'm half way through it. Most of it I already knew, but I'm learning lots of new stuff too. Like small density LDL is the cause of heart disease, and small density LDL is increased most by high sugar intake.
teh_pwn said:
I don't eat bread or much complex carbs so....
Of course you can live a very healthy life by not eating anything that's remotely bad. But do you really want that kind of life? I prefer to enjoy more of what I eat and put more work into exercising. And it seems to be working for me and I enjoy life a lot more.
SapientWolf
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The chemical is present due to contamination from toxic plants. It's not a naturally occurring ingredient in all honey, especially not the kind you find on store shelves in the US.Al-ibn Kermit said:
I have the problem with the first ten minutes...teh_pwn said:
I mean, he debated against the 'diet and wtv...' and he used 6-month olds...
That doesn't discount anything about diet :-/ It just means that the parents are making the diet mistakes...
EDIT: Not that I disagree with his overall point, just that one.
evilromero
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I just drink water and tea. All day long.
fistfulofmetal
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ruxtpin said:You will have to pry this from my cold, dead hands.
Like hell I'm going to stop drinking this liquid cocaine. Damn is it tasty.
I JUST BOUGHT SOME OF THAT TODAY. it's like the nectar of the gods.
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ruxtpin said:You will have to pry this from my cold, dead hands.
Like hell I'm going to stop drinking this liquid cocaine. Damn is it tasty.
Ingredients:
Filtered water, apple juice concentrate, orange juice concentrate, clarified pineapple juice concentrate, grape juice concentrate, banana puree, citric acid, natural flavors, ascorbic acid, vitamin C and strawberry juice concentrate.
Interesting. How can something be 100% juice if it has "natural flavors" added to it?
beelzebozo
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i love threads like this that let me unleash the anti-processed-food nazi that lies dormant in me, waiting to pounce at all times
Al-ibn Kermit
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I already think that your body having to digest too much sugar is bad for you obviously. Does this say anything else?teh_pwn said:
I didn't say that this was what was sold in the US and actually, I don't even know if they have those particular plants in the US. But my point was just that the government does not have a universal standard for food regulation and that obviously, consumers don't care unless they were already paranoid about it.SapientWolf said:
Procarbine
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This confirms my philosophy that everything will end up killing you and to stop giving a damn.
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I like how the quote from the doctor in the original article includes the absolute assertion that juice has no place in our diet.
The thing about scientists like this, is that they just reinforce the stereotype of scientists as myopic eggheads who never poke their heads up out of whatever single specialized experiment they're always locked away in a lab running.
I'd think that anyone with a clue would more say "drink pure fruit juice over soda and fake fruit juice if you want a tasty beverage in addition to water, and even if you drink soda, being physically active and getting outside a lot will just make every other part of your life better".
It's like each of these experts thinks that /their one thing/ is the vital missing link to human health and prosperity and if you ever got all of them together in one room to trade notes, at the end of the eve they'd conclude that you should just shoot yourself now, because being alive invites entropy that destroys your body in some way.
I've seen people who drink beer, soda, eat nachos and burgers, and have toned bodies and healthy complexions and can punch out a moose. They're called construction workers.
Everything is a yin-yang. You can, in fact, do mostly whatever you want, if you compensate for it in another area of your life. Granted, contemporary lifestyles have encouraged middle class people to all drift into a general pattern that has similarities; work a desk job, stay inside all day, fear the daystar, come home and sit down on the couch or the internet and stare at lights until 2am. I'm not surprised that "random" samplings of the population in various health studies show the "average" person choking and dying because they eat a cheeseburger 3 times a week. The average person these days has such a meager lifestyle that they would choke and die on tofu.
The thing about scientists like this, is that they just reinforce the stereotype of scientists as myopic eggheads who never poke their heads up out of whatever single specialized experiment they're always locked away in a lab running.
I'd think that anyone with a clue would more say "drink pure fruit juice over soda and fake fruit juice if you want a tasty beverage in addition to water, and even if you drink soda, being physically active and getting outside a lot will just make every other part of your life better".
It's like each of these experts thinks that /their one thing/ is the vital missing link to human health and prosperity and if you ever got all of them together in one room to trade notes, at the end of the eve they'd conclude that you should just shoot yourself now, because being alive invites entropy that destroys your body in some way.
I've seen people who drink beer, soda, eat nachos and burgers, and have toned bodies and healthy complexions and can punch out a moose. They're called construction workers.
Everything is a yin-yang. You can, in fact, do mostly whatever you want, if you compensate for it in another area of your life. Granted, contemporary lifestyles have encouraged middle class people to all drift into a general pattern that has similarities; work a desk job, stay inside all day, fear the daystar, come home and sit down on the couch or the internet and stare at lights until 2am. I'm not surprised that "random" samplings of the population in various health studies show the "average" person choking and dying because they eat a cheeseburger 3 times a week. The average person these days has such a meager lifestyle that they would choke and die on tofu.
SecretBonusPoint
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I've always wanted to find someone that completely abides by all these health scares and nutrition madness who is also veagan, and see how they act and what they look like. I just can't help but think they'd be this complete manic depressive, with that crazy look in their eye just waiting to kill and eat you.
beelzebozo
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StoOgE said:
you'll pry my fatal excess and willful ignorance from my cold dead hands!
beelzebozo said:
This. It isn't merely an issue of fruit juices given a bad name because of what companies put in them; 100% fruit juice can also have its health drawbacks.
I don't really like fruit juice, but I love smoothies. If you lot are worried about consuming too much sugar from drinking fruit juice after processing this information (well, the few who do--cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing), do as beelze suggests: Enjoy in moderation.
Al-ibn Kermit said:
You're saying that all carbs are equal so that it doesn't matter that the food industry has replaced many carb based foods with HFCS fillers. The non-sugar that HFCS is replacing don't contain fructose naturally.
The video goes into details later about how fructose results in more VLDL (very low density LDL, which is the type correlated with heart disease), gout, hypertension, and how it results in 30% body fat creation when compared to glucose at about 0-2%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM#t=64m20s
Pho Antagonist
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animlboogy said:
I think you're right, this is a FUD article to boost Minute Maid Light sales. Expect more ads soon.
Al-ibn Kermit
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No, I don't believe that all calories are equal at all. But I'm saying that the biggest part of your diet that can cause obesity and diabetes are the carbs you get from starches.teh_pwn said:
I'm of the general belief that for the vast majority of type 2 diabetics and obese people, the reason their diet failed them is probably more due to the quantity of the food they ate than the "quality".
Al-ibn Kermit said:
And people eat more because of fructose. It's within the next 5 minutes or so of what I linked you to. Fructose fucks with leptin, and leptin is how your body tells you're full. If you change the food supply such that the food increases hunger, people eat more and people get fat.
Granted fruit juice has less fructose than soda, it still has a lot more fructose than eating sandwiches and other real food.
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