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[BorkBork]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM#t=27m10

Thanks for this. Long but good. Fructose, regardless of what the source is, is not great for you in large amounts. Fiber mitigates its effects in fruits, but by itself, it can do a bit of harm.

 

[Davey Cakes]

It's obvious that they're not on equal ground. One is purely sugar water, the other is not.

Anything in moderation is perfectly fine, even soda. That said, since fruit juice has vitamins, it wins in the "health" department, easily.

A glass of OJ in the morning is fine for vitamin C. And what about cranberry juice? Is is just bullshit when I hear about that stuff being full of antioxidants that are good for you?

 

[teh_pwn]

Thanks for this. Long but good. Fructose, regardless of what the source is, is not great for you in large amounts. Fiber mitigates its effects in fruits, but by itself, it can do a bit of harm.

Yep.

To anyone looking at that link, I linked to that time in the video to make the point that we're consuming more sugar than we used to.

But the greater point of the video is that fructose causes increased hunger among other chronic conditions, which causes people to eat more. The presenter on several occasions points out that simply looking at calories in/out and exercise is a fallacy, and that one must avoid fructose as well.

So we don't eat more because we're fat and lazy. We're fat and lazy because fructose screws around with the body's hormones and effectively tells us to eat more.

 

[teh_pwn]

It's obvious that they're not on equal ground. One is purely sugar water, the other is not.

Anything in moderation is perfectly fine, even soda. That said, since fruit juice has vitamins, it wins in the "health" department, easily.

A glass of OJ in the morning is fine for vitamin C. And what about cranberry juice? Is is just bullshit when I hear about that stuff being full of antioxidants that are good for you?

Fruit juice is bad for you, but it is less bad for you than soda because it is has less fructose.

Juice has trace vitamins, and often is supplemented with vitamin C because the original vitamin C already oxidized while making the juice. Look at the ingredients...I bet it says "Ascorbic Acid".

If you want to be healthy, you should eat whole fruit, whole vegetables, whole grains, nuts, meat, fish, and non-sweetened dairy.

 

[laserbeam]

Yep.

To anyone looking at that link, I linked to that time in the video to make the point that we're consuming more sugar than we used to.

But the greater point of the video is that fructose causes increased hunger among other chronic conditions, which causes people to eat more. The presenter on several occasions points out that simply looking at calories in/out and exercise is a fallacy, and that one must avoid fructose as well.

So we don't eat more because we're fat and lazy. We're fat and lazy because fructose screws around with the body's hormones and effectively tells us to eat more.

It really is why HFCS is so popular with companies. Its cheap and it causes increased demand on other products.

The US needs to get off HFCS and back to either beet sugar or cane sugar for a sweetener but like all things politics the corn lobby will never allow it.

 

[Slayer-33]

Green apples F T W


So wait.. what they are saying is that this

= Any soda? Or are they talking about those water/sugar juices?

 

[yuna55]

You will have to pry this from my cold, dead hands.

Like hell I'm going to stop drinking this liquid cocaine. Damn is it tasty.

OMG That is the shit! I've been hooked since I can remember! If you ever see the flavor "Strawberry Breeze" in the same brand, get it.

 

[Brofist]

I'll go so far as to say 90% of the non water off the shelf drinks in the US are unhealthy for you in some way. Too much sugar, chemicals, etc... Even the teas that most people drink are over sweetened shit.

 

[Blackace]

I'll go so far as to say 90% of the non water off the shelf drinks in the US are unhealthy for you in some way. Too much sugar, chemicals, etc... Even the teas that most people drink are over sweetened shit.

not much different here in Japan.

But fruit juice offers your body so much more than just sugar unlike most of the other drinks..

So it is really an unfair comparison imo..

 

[Everdred]

Whole milk is the greatest liquid ever.

Mmm whole milk and cereal. Yum.

 

[danielijohnson]

People are so thick. Fruit Juice is still obviously better for you than soda. If all you do is count calories, you obviously don't know anything about nutrition.

 

[ShadyMilkman]

drink water problem solved jesus christ

and no shit? look how much fucking sugar there is in juice my god

 

[Gameboy415]

"It's pretty much the same as sugar water," said Dr. Charles Billington, an appetite researcher at the University of Minnesota. In the modern diet, "there's no need for any juice at all."

 

[baultista]

Are we talking about fruit juice here or fruit drinks (usually contain about 10% fruit juice)?

Sorry, but I will never quit my orange juice.

 

[Davey Cakes]

In the modern diet there's no need for anything that's not water + the food pyramid basics.

That said, we still eat and drink a variety of things because, well, we can. With the modern diet comes the modern responsibility of self control. Fruit juice might not be great for you, but as a drink with actual substance that brings forth a feeling of indulgence, it's a strong alternative.

We just have to realize that fruit juice never has been the exception to the rule that anything in abundance is bad for you.

Even water can kill you, after all.

 

[NovemberMike]

Rash knows what he is talking about. Assuming you have no vitamin deficiencies, fruit juice = sugar water.

That said, calories aren't bad for you in moderation so as long as you get a reasonable number of calories you are fine.

 

[Shard]

"It's pretty much the same as sugar water," said Dr. Charles Billington, an appetite researcher at the University of Minnesota. In the modern diet, "there's no need for any juice at all."

You tell yourself that any time you have to deal with a bladder infection Doc.

 

[devilhawk]

I don't think even 50 people read the OP, let alone the link.

not much different here in Japan.

But fruit juice offers your body so much more than just sugar unlike most of the other drinks..

So it is really an unfair comparison imo..

It is not an unfair comparison at all. It is a comparison dealing with obesity. The benefits of juice over soda don't deal with obesity.

The article is fairly simple. With the abundance of vitamin fortifications and supplements the benefits of juice may be unnecessary for ones diet.

 

[PhoenixDark]

What the fuck is juice?

 

[Kurtofan]

What the fuck is juice?

What, you don't know what juice is?

 

[Forceatowulf]

HA! Suck it soda haters!

 

[B!TCH]

What the fuck is juice?

I'm sorry. I don't know what grape drink is, Dave. I have some apple juice if you would like some.



I only drink juice/smoothies in the morning. I drink water and vitamin water mainly. Try to avoid HFCS as much as I can.

 

[Veidt]

fucking scientists, cure fucking aids or cancer already and stop wasting our resources and money.

This is why we need more black scientists.

Juice? What the hell is juice?! Just drink that purple drank!

ingredients?

Sugar
Water
Purple.

How is purple bad for you? fuck yeah

 

[whytemyke]

ProTip: Get your kids off the couch and actually doing activities and you'll see the sugar-water effect minimized. Then kids can enjoy juice, pepsi, hell, even that frapachino your babysitter feeds them to make them stop pissing her off.

 

[Ra\/en]

make your mind up. Drinkig a smoothy is basically eating that fruit. We're supposed to eat fruit and veg right?

Humans need sugar. And getting sugar naturally from fruit, along with the other good stuff it provides, is surely much better than refined sugar in carbonated drinks?

I think what the study is implying is that you should eat an orange (instead of drinking a big tall glass of juice), and wash it down with water.

 

[Blackace]

It is not an unfair comparison at all. It is a comparison dealing with obesity. The benefits of juice over soda don't deal with obesity.

The article is fairly simple. With the abundance of vitamin fortifications and supplements the benefits of juice may be unnecessary for ones diet.

I did read the link and I still think it is an odd targeted study. Also why take supplements when you can get it from a natural source?

I love juice and always have but I have never drank a 2 liter bottle of juice like I have with soda when I was a kid.. Obesity has a lot more to do with the intake rather than what you are drinking.

Also juice has no carbonation which combined with sugar isn't really all that good for your body on the whole.

I would love to see where the funding of this study came from..

 

[MWS Natural]

Soo....juice is just as bad as drank??? *Mind Blown*

 

[Koshiro]

They can take my juice but they'll never take my tea!

 

[Ford Prefect]

What about my Sailor Jerry's Cranberry Juice, where does that figure.

 

[davepoobond]

everything we do kills us, thats why we die.

but if we dont do any of which kills us, we die sooner rather than later.

eff you experts!

 

[Tristam]

Whole milk is the greatest liquid ever.

Damn right!

 

[cntr]

A Mod should edit the title to "Fruit juice won't make you thin", since that's what the study seems to be saying.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

ProTip: Get your kids off the couch and actually doing activities and you'll see the sugar-water effect minimized. Then kids can enjoy juice, pepsi, hell, even that frapachino your babysitter feeds them to make them stop pissing her off.

:lol

 

[Tenkai Star]

Just as bad? Well depends on what you mean. You will gain the same amount of weight from Juice as you will from Soda if thats what you mean. But juice is more healthy.

BTW Don't know what the rules is in USA and other countries but here in Sweden and I think in many European countries it illegal to call anything Juice if it's not 100% juice. Doesn't have to be sugar. If you add iron or any other mineral or vitamin to juice, they you have to call it something else. If it says juice on the box and you have added something you gonna get your ass handed to you.

 

[Blast Processing]

I don't drink water, personally. Too of that shit will drown you.

 

[Evlar]

Drink water.

.

 

[BronzeWolf]

PLeople should just drink water

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I drink juice every few months, so it's a real treat when I do have some. If only I could exercise such moderation in other parts of my diet, I wouldn't be a bit overweight.

 

[beelzebozo]

I did read the link and I still think it is an odd targeted study. Also why take supplements when you can get it from a natural source?

I love juice and always have but I have never drank a 2 liter bottle of juice like I have with soda when I was a kid.. Obesity has a lot more to do with the intake rather than what you are drinking.

Also juice has no carbonation which combined with sugar isn't really all that good for your body on the whole.

I would love to see where the funding of this study came from..

ehh. . .

 

[teh_pwn]

I love juice and always have but I have never drank a 2 liter bottle of juice like I have with soda when I was a kid.. Obesity has a lot more to do with the intake rather than what you are drinking.

It is the other way around. You get fat by over eating, yes. But why do people over eat? Because fructose causes leptin resistance. Leptin tells your brain that you are full and should stop eating. Fructose consumption is several times that of prehistoric-1970s. Now we have high fructose corn syrup in everything from bread to ketchup. That's what that really long video was about.

That doesn't mean fruit juice is healthy. It just means it's not as unhealthy as soda.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's funny because people actually think whole milk is completely good for you. :lol

 

[APF]

I'm sorry, but have you ever thought what has science ever done for you? Told you you're fat? Told you you're going to die? If someone walked up to you and said you're going to die fatty, you'd punch them. But we don't punch scientists.

 

[Blackface]

Fruit Juice sold in places like schools, cafeterias and vending machines isn't fruit juice. It's sugar juice with a bit of fruit flavor (and colouring)

 

[BronzeWolf]

It's funny because people actually think whole milk is completely good for you. :lol

Whole milk actually has much more nutritional value than either juice or soda.

But it should considered food, not drink

Fruit Juice sold in places like schools, cafeterias and vending machines isn't fruit juice. It's sugar juice with a bit of fruit flavor (and colouring)

read the OP

 

[Blackace]

Fruit Juice sold in places like schools, cafeterias and vending machines isn't fruit juice. It's sugar juice with a bit of fruit flavor (and colouring)

they claim to be talking about 100% fruit juice.

 

[Brofist]

not much different here in Japan.

But fruit juice offers your body so much more than just sugar unlike most of the other drinks..

So it is really an unfair comparison imo..

At least in Japan the tea drinks are pretty natural. If you buy a bottle of green tea you are at least getting green tea, and not green tea sweetened to the point of being green colored kool-aid.

 

[polyh3dron]

Now if we were talking about actual fruit juice, this would have been disturbing.

Not reading the OP before you post is bannable. The OP is referring to 100% juice, not the Ocean Spray bullshit with a shitload of High Fructose Corn Syrup in it.

 

[Blackace]

At least in Japan the tea drinks are pretty natural. If you buy a bottle of green tea you are at least getting green tea, and not green tea sweetened to the point of being green colored kool-aid.

True that.. but they make up for it in other drinks!

 

[Ripenen]

Why do people think they need to ingest tons of vitamins? It takes such a small amount of vitamins to prevent deficiencies that drinking juice is almost never justified from that standpoint. If you like the taste then go ahead and drink it, but doing so to get 1000% of your DV of Vitamin C is just silly.

 

[teh_pwn]

Why do people think they need to ingest tons of vitamins? It takes such a small amount of vitamins to prevent deficiencies that drinking juice is almost never justified from that standpoint. If you like the taste then go ahead and drink it, but doing so to get 1000% of your DV of Vitamin C is just silly.

Yeah, lots of people seem to go overboard on vitamins.

What makes healthy foods healthy goes way beyond multivitamins. There's all sorts of substances in things like green tea, vegetables, whole fruit, etc that have great effects on health and they have nothing to do with vitamins.