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[Banjo64]

The 3DS games were bad aside from Alpha Sapphire, Sword was so bad I stopped after 2 hours and sold it. Never again. Bought every single generation of Pokémon from Blue/Yellow to Sword. Gameboy Colour and GBA were the best of the series and absolutely unbelievable games, DS games were good as well.

 

[AV]

I updated the graphic with the new year count.

Just stop buying them. You don't have to play them. The series peaked at HG/SS and those were remakes.

 

[anthony2690]

 

[Mownoc]

Yes, we all know game freak are a trash developer. But try and at least be better at making threads than game freak are at making games.

 

[mcjmetroid]

It has worse problems than that. The performance is dreadful in the new games like really bad.

If this game gets a pass for performance while Bayonetta 3 got hammered for it, I'll be really annoyed. Pokemon Scarlet/violent is a constant stutter.

Even pro Nintendo sites like Nintendolife are reporting on it heavily. Expect the worst reviews for a mainline Pokemon game

 

[nikeboy94]

I'm not going to defend Game Freak's lack of innovation and corner cutting, but we all knew that at some point the number of Pokemon would grow to be so large that it would be insane to include each and every one in every game.

Ideally they need to stop thinking that adding more Pokemon is the only way to create new games. They should be creating new games based on older regions. I.e. give us a god damn action-rpg version of Pokemon Red/Blue with the OG 151 Pokemon already.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

So what is a good, latest Pokemon game?

If I ever grabbed one, what would I buy?

 

[Sub_Level]

Why would they care to go the extra mile? Paypigs and normies still buy it instantly.

 

[SCB3]

it's crazy how shitty the new ones are when you consider it's the biggest and most profitable IP in the world

My real takeaway here is just how fucking popular is Hello Kitty!? I almost never see it here in the North of England in stores tbh

 

[TintoConCasera]

So what is a good, latest Pokemon game?

If I ever grabbed one, what would I buy?

Shin Megami Tensei V

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

It never did. I don't think you have ever played a Pokémon game, Kingfey.

Doesn't alpha sapphire have all pokemon? I don't remember having any restrictions transferring whatever 400 pokemon I had to it.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Shin Megami Tensei V

Got that one. Pokemon is the only franchise i've never bought into..

Was looking to pick one up for the Switch to add to the collection. Might even try it

 

[Davevil]

Meanwhile at GF's headquarter

 

[AV]

Got that one. Pokemon is the only franchise i've never bought into..

Was looking to pick one up for the Switch to add to the collection. Might even try it

Arceus. It's the step in the right direction Game Freak should have taken about a decade ago. At the minute it's relegated to a side-series but frankly it's where the next mainline games should be looking to for inspiration.

Bear in mind, it's still a game for children despite adults making competitive Pokémon battling into a sweaty hobby. There's nothing remotely challenging about it if that's a deal breaker for you.

 

[Fbh]

A friend was showing me a bit of scarlet the other day (has a hacked Switch and the game leaked a while ago) and while I only played like 20 minutes it was actually pretty fun. It does feel more like a traditional open world game and it's nice how seamless a lot of it feels now with both trainer battles and wild Pokemon battles taking place on the spot without the need of some transition to a combat arena.

I mean the visuals are awful, the performance was bad,the difficulty non existent, there's still no voice acting, and I can't imagine the story being any good either. But it did feel like a bigger step towards that open world Pokemon game I envisioned as a kid than any previous mainline entry.

Was looking to pick one up for the Switch to add to the collection. Might even try it

Honestly, without the nostalgia factor there isn't much sense in getting into Pokemon.
They are basic turn based RPG's, usually with a bad story, dated graphics and difficulty that feels designed for 5 years old

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Arceus. It's the step in the right direction Game Freak should have taken about a decade ago. At the minute it's relegated to a side-series but frankly it's where the next mainline games should be looking to for inspiration.

Bear in mind, it's still a game for children despite adults making competitive Pokémon battling into a sweaty hobby. There's nothing remotely challenging about it if that's a deal breaker for you.

Honestly, without the nostalgia factor there isn't much sense in getting into Pokemon.
They are basic turn based RPG's, usually with a bad story, dated graphics and difficulty that feels designed for 5 years old

Damn.. Well i'll stick to Persona 5 for now then

I might grab Arceus for the collection though, another game for the Switch pile.

Speaking of which, I forgot that whilst looking in my local CEX I saw this in the window a couple of weeks back, this thread reminded me. I took it as I couldnt believe it...

What the fuck though, is that really what they go for?

 

[64gigabyteram]

please play shin megami tensei/persona before you go into cardiac arrest from your sheer rage at gamefreak

 

[Tams]

So what is a good, latest Pokemon game?

If I ever grabbed one, what would I buy?

Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee.

If you're fine with something that looks and feels like an experiment, then Pokémon Legends: Arceus is a fun (for a while) game. Actually significantly different and like what many have been wishing for.

Honestly though, the new Pokémon Snap has been the most fun.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

They can't put every Pokemon game in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. It pisses me off that my favorite Pokemon are cut from this game.

like last time they'll try and sell them in DLC packs....

 

[Tams]

Damn.. Well i'll stick to Persona 5 for now then

I might grab Arceus for the collection though, another game for the Switch pile.

Speaking of which, I forgot that whilst looking in my local CEX I saw this in the window a couple of weeks back, this thread reminded me. I took it as I couldnt believe it...

What the fuck though, is that really what they go for?

A friend back in good ol' Blighty sent me this a couple of days ago.

This is the remake, not the orginal. CEX are greedy jokers. Just like that HeartGold in that picture you posted. £155. Fucking clowns.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Honestly, without the nostalgia factor there isn't much sense in getting into Pokemon.
They are basic turn based RPG's, usually with a bad story, dated graphics and difficulty that feels designed for 5 years old

for the longest time the only RPG i ever played was pokemon and i never managed to get into any of them. Its the main reason why i hardly ever even played JRPGs until recently because i thought every last one of them was as basic and as boring as these games

 

[AV]

Speaking of which, I forgot that whilst looking in my local CEX I saw this in the window a couple of weeks back, this thread reminded me. I took it as I couldnt believe it...

What the fuck though, is that really what they go for?

You can find both cheaper than CEX's insane gouger prices but those original carts do go for a lot. HeartGold and SoulSilver are the remakes of Gold, Silver and Crystal, the reason they go for so much is because people know the series peaked right there. Actually still "challenging" (in the way that JRPGs are i.e. grinding = difficulty), tons of Pokémon without getting too silly and the "postgame" is the entire fucking continent from the previous game.

If there's any one single Pokémon game anyone should play in their lives it's HG/SS. But I still don't know that I'd recommend it to non-existing fans.

 

[Kenpachii]

Damn.. Well i'll stick to Persona 5 for now then

I might grab Arceus for the collection though, another game for the Switch pile.

Speaking of which, I forgot that whilst looking in my local CEX I saw this in the window a couple of weeks back, this thread reminded me. I took it as I couldnt believe it...

What the fuck though, is that really what they go for?

Sold my old red/blue copy with never used boxes and stickerbooks. for like 200 a pop.

Then i realized they where worth a lot, as the guy that bought them from me sold them separate for 200 a pop and that was like 10 years ago now.

 

[Umbasaborne]

They seem to do things as quick and cheap as possible. Do characters still awkwardly turn their full bodies like a tank to interact with you in this new game, instead of having even slightly more complex animation?

 

[fart town usa]

 

[RuneFactoryFanboy]

Not having "all the Pokémon" isn't even an issue on my radar, there are much more important things to call them out for. I'd really like to see the visuals (animations, art direction, performance) polished up to match the quality of Nintendo's other star franchises.

I really don't think Lazy is the right word. Watching Gamefreak's output for the last decade, I really think it's a combination of technical incompetence + parent company Nintendo unwilling to allocate resources to help them. Nintendo's other flagship titles always look and perform great, so I'm not sure why some of those teams don't help bring Gamefreak up to speed. Well, I'm sure the disgustingly high sales have something to do with it lol.

Surprisingly enough, I personally think the best-looking Pokémon games are the Let's Go titles. If Gamefreak were to make a mainline game in that style I'd buy it.

 

[lyan]

Can you name any other game that has 925 unique playable characters?

SD Gundam G Generation series, GGF released in 1999 grew past 1000.

 

[soulbait]

I too wonder why I do not see giraffes, zebras, lions, tigers, kangaroos, sugar gliders, birds of paradise, and snow leopards here in North Carolina while I explore. It is almost as if they live in other areas of the world...

 

[Swift_Star]

Not lazy, just small and incompetent. They really need to hire more people. The studio is too small for this franchise.
169 people is just not enough.

 

[Rykan]

SD Gundam G Generation series, GGF released in 1999 grew past 1000.

Did it have different character models and movesets for every single character, and are they all in the same game?

 

[Saber]

They could serve fried poop and would still sell. It's clown world and I don't think theres much to do about it.

 

[lyan]

Did it have different character models and movesets for every single character, and are they all in the same game?

Characters (mobile suits) you get some that are color variants / adding a horn similar to regional forms in pokemon.
For moves while 2 different gundams may both have beam saber each still get their own animation and cut-in mini-movie.

Some examples



And yes they are in same game, plus you even get to mix in 500+ pilots of which plenty are voiced to drive whichever suit you want.

Definitely recommend to check it out if you like strategy games and mecha, the game is so rich in content it took 3 discs on the PS1.

 

[Aressa]

Nah I wish they would actually cut all previous Pokemon and just have a region with only new.

 

[cortadew]

Pokemon has never been good.

 

[Azelover]

This probably has been said but it might have more to do costs than actual lazyness. It's a really popular game so that is no excuse. Sad thing is they probably dont need at all to change in any way, presently.

 

[chromhound]

They've been lazy since they transitioned to 3D for handheld consoles.

Why make efforts when your games sells like hotcakes ?

 

[Kataploom]

I updated the graphic with the new year count.

Just stop buying them. You don't have to play them. The series peaked at HG/SS and those were remakes.

It's not true tho, the games are not "exactly the same", they look the same for outsiders, but the games always bring changes and additions, sometimes at the expense of another existing feature in previous game that can return later like contests... Pokemon games iterations aren't just copy-paste of previous entries, the core gameplay is the same, but they have their fair amount of changes and new content to be considered proper sequels... Thing is: They're not remotely as advertised as, say, new region and new same but type of content as the literal new stuff, mechanics and whatnot, because the later is what pokemon fans care the most about

 

[ahtlas7]

If the formula sells what is the incentive to change it? Pokémon is regularly in the top 10 and look at BennyBlanco graph. Game Freak is enjoying their success.

 

[Carmen Winstead]

A friend back in good ol' Blighty sent me this a couple of days ago.

This is the remake, not the orginal. CEX are greedy jokers. Just like that HeartGold in that picture you posted. £155. Fucking clowns.

Yooo I can get this game for 5 bucks at my local flea market here in Germany from some old hag that is selling the old collection of her middle-aged son who finally managed to marry.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I hate screen shot posters/comparers.

 

[justiceiro]

Maybe this is way out? Maybe finally move on from pokemon?

 

[RoboFu]

Pokemon is abillion dollar franchise and gamers are quick to tell them how they are running their business wrong.

 

[LRKD]

Pokemon is abillion dollar franchise and gamers are quick to tell them how they are running their business wrong.

That's some real bootlicker attitude you have there. Pokemon is a billion $ franchise, and the game just on a visual, and performance level alone, is a complete disaster. If you order a well-done steak and the waiter brings it out raw with the cow still mooing, do you not tell the chef that he cooked it wrong? You aren't a chef who are you to tell them how to cook a well-done steak?

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

They can't put every Pokemon game in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. It pisses me off that my favorite Pokemon are cut from this game.

After all these generations of Pokémon, do people really expect every single Pokémon to be in each new game?

That seems unrealistic from a development/ resource perspective. And really entitled.

Is there a modern-day counterpart that can be used as a comparison for *every Pokémon ever being in each new game?

Smash can't really be used either. Different genre, different level of development needed to include each past character every time. And also they've only done it once.

 

[Kataploom]

That's some real bootlicker attitude you have there. Pokemon is a billion $ franchise, and the game just on a visual, and performance level alone, is a complete disaster. If you order a well-done steak and the waiter brings it out raw with the cow still mooing, do you not tell the chef that he cooked it wrong? You aren't a chef who are you to tell them how to cook a well-done steak?

While I agree that the games should improve technically in order for me to get attracted to them, this is a bad example imo, the target for these games enjoy them a lot, they are happy with the way pokemon games currently look and get hyped for how "pretty" they look, comparing them to previous entries... So they're actually doing a good job serving the audience... It's just that the audience is not us

 

[MagiusNecros]

Shin Megami Tensei V

After all Pokemon is just SMT for babies.

 

[Saber]

After all these generations of Pokémon, do people really expect every single Pokémon to be in each new game?

That seems unrealistic from a development/ resource perspective. And really entitled.

Is there a modern-day counterpart that can be used as a comparison for *every Pokémon ever being in each new game?

Smash can't really be used either. Different genre, different level of development needed to include each past character every time. And also they've only done it once.

I think that brings the real question, what can be used as comparison and what Pokemon can be actually criticized?
Pokemon can't be criticized for it's graphics presentation(note, a game can be very pretty without being realistic and theres alot of examples of that), pokemon can't be criticized for the lack of content(usually the post game content, which is also cut and now its a part of the DLC club), etc.

The real answer is that nothing matters because:
- It sells gazilions, so you're wrong
- Pokemon was never about that (isn't pokemon about "catch all pokemon"?)
- Gamefreak is a small company, your demands are high (wasn't 3DS capable of holding more than 900 models of pokemon?)
- The classic: the game is not for you or just stop playing
- The throw of insults that the game is for kids, while saying you're a growass entitled...even though the one throwing the insult is an old person

If I could give a short example of what people call a trade off would be trading resolution for frames per second. Whats the trade-off of removing more than 70% models? If by sacrificing models the game could be as pretty and charming as Dragon Quest XI, I would name pokemon the next game of the year.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I'd imagine if they had a team like Monolith and the same kind of investment as Xenoblade or BotW that Pokemon Legends would be a step in the right direction.

I'd much rather see Pokemon as a MMO since that's what the games boil down to. But that might kill their formula seeing as they like to reset your progress by making you collect everything all over again each new installment.

Plus I'd rather see you be able to customize your trainer to your liking. Not everyone wants to be a 10 year old prodigy forever with questionable designs. I've long dreamed of where you could design your own trainer with the different trainer archetypes such as Beauty, Youngster, Bug Catcher, Youngster, Hiker, Ace and more.

If you really want to criticize Game Freak you can always take a look at Little Town Hero. Pokemon is really the only thing they will be allowed to develop.

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Played Pokémon blue and the one on switch honestly not much difference I don't get why this crap is popular

 

[theclaw135]

After all these generations of Pokémon, do people really expect every single Pokémon to be in each new game?

That seems unrealistic from a development/ resource perspective. And really entitled.

Is there a modern-day counterpart that can be used as a comparison for *every Pokémon ever being in each new game?

Smash can't really be used either. Different genre, different level of development needed to include each past character every time. And also they've only done it once.

Although gamefreak was dishonest and totally deserves the vitriol, the entitled fans refuse to approach it from a rational angle. At the end of the day, the company is still a business. If you want the games to have every Pokemon, you're going to need to convince them it's financially beneficial.

No, there's nothing else comparable. More than 20 years after Gold and Silver introduced the concept we're discussing, it has never been adopted and implemented by another video game outside of the Pokemon franchise, not even a single instance ever.