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[Killer8]

Damn.. Well i'll stick to Persona 5 for now then

I might grab Arceus for the collection though, another game for the Switch pile.

Speaking of which, I forgot that whilst looking in my local CEX I saw this in the window a couple of weeks back, this thread reminded me. I took it as I couldnt believe it...

What the fuck though, is that really what they go for?

Some geezer is going to spend this much to re-live his childhood, only to find the cartridge battery is dead and the game won't save any more.

 

[Bonkerzzz]

Enough with the "lazy developer" narrative. Such a naive and lazy way to express disappointment when a game isn't what you hoped/expected it to be.

 

[MysticalChaos]

Never know, they might add them in as DLC. Especially if the community asks for it

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

I think that brings the real question, what can be used as comparison and what Pokemon can be actually criticized?
Pokemon can't be criticized for it's graphics presentation(note, a game can be very pretty without being realistic and theres alot of examples of that), pokemon can't be criticized for the lack of content(usually the post game content, which is also cut and now its a part of the DLC club), etc.

The real answer is that nothing matters because:
- It sells gazilions, so you're wrong
- Pokemon was never about that (isn't pokemon about "catch all pokemon"?)
- Gamefreak is a small company, your demands are high (wasn't 3DS capable of holding more than 900 models of pokemon?)
- The classic: the game is not for you or just stop playing
- The throw of insults that the game is for kids, while saying you're a growass entitled...even though the one throwing the insult is an old person

If I could give a short example of what people call a trade off would be trading resolution for frames per second. Whats the trade-off of removing more than 70% models? If by sacrificing models the game could be as pretty and charming as Dragon Quest XI, I would name pokemon the next game of the year.

The only argument I'm making is just my own. What I've already stated.

But since you mention it, you know, if people honestly don't understand the difference between the development resources needed for 3DS games vs the cost and resources needed for HD development on a console like Switch… well, then they probably shouldn't be talking out their ass about seemingly knowing enough to complain or criticize Game Freak or any other developer, one way or another.

Just my two cents!

 

[lh032]

pretty sure majority of people thinks they are.
They should be happy they have a job because of pokemon.

 

[TLZ]

Is Pokemon scarlet and violet a new main game or a remaster?

Asking because I have zero knowledge and I want to buy it for my kids. Want to make sure I'm buying the right one.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

They've been lazy since they transitioned to 3D for handheld consoles.

Why make efforts when your games sells like hotcakes ?

I think the actual reason to the problem you identify is laid out in your post. Game Freak isn't "lazy", whatever that even means in the context of hundreds of people working full-time on videogames, with a deadline. But more that the development resources required for HD games is vastly superior to what was previously required for Game Boy, DS, 3DS.

And that they'll get there when they get there.

Their first HD game was in 2018, after all. That was only 4 years ago.

 

[LRKD]

Is Pokemon scarlet and violet a new main game or a remaster?

Asking because I have zero knowledge and I want to buy it for my kids. Want to make sure I'm buying the right one.

Full new game, and it does some really great things to set it apart from older ones. But it doesn't have all the Pokémon so hopefully your kids favorite pkmn are in this game And it also runs and plays pretty poorly, but I don't think that'd stop kids from enjoying it

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

The main issue with GameFreak is they are still labeling Pokemon as male and female. Even if my Snorlax was born male, why can't I change the classification to female, assuming my Snorlax enjoys putting up floral wallpaper and listening to NYSNC? Likewise, if my female Snorlax refuses to watch The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants or scratches its crotch in public, why can't I change the classification to male?

People worry about the N64 graphics in 2022, but above is the real problem.

 

[TLZ]

Full new game, and it does some really great things to set it apart from older ones. But it doesn't have all the Pokémon so hopefully your kids favorite pkmn are in this game And it also runs and plays pretty poorly, but I don't think that'd stop kids from enjoying it

Bad performance?

So if I don't get this one, what's the best one to get on Switch? They already have Sword, do I just buy shield so both can play separately and trade?

Oh and how does the new one compare to Sword?

 

[chromhound]

I think the actual reason to the problem you identify is laid out in your post. Game Freak isn't "lazy", whatever that even means in the context of hundreds of people working full-time on videogames, with a deadline. But more that the development resources required for HD games is vastly superior to what was previously required for Game Boy, DS, 3DS.

And that they'll get there when they get there.

Their first HD game was in 2018, after all. That was only 4 years ago.

 

[Ryūtō]

They can't put every Pokemon game in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. It pisses me off that my favorite Pokemon are cut from this game.

I mean I can understand this being an outrage from a gameplay perspective, but some animals just don't exist in some parts of the world.

 

[theclaw135]

Enough with the "lazy developer" narrative. Such a naive and lazy way to express disappointment when a game isn't what you hoped/expected it to be.

It's more like the developers are certified lunatics. Consider for a moment, the long term implications of the "full pokedex".

Someone actually believed it was possible to perpetually increase the number of each Pokemon in each subsequent game, forever, and was able to convince the programming staff to attempt it.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Doesn't alpha sapphire have all pokemon? I don't remember having any restrictions transferring whatever 400 pokemon I had to it.

You misunderstand. The statement was that there was a game with *all* Pokémon. That was never the case. Every version had version specific Pokémon. If you ever wanted them all, you had to cheat, trade, or buy another version.

 

[Shifty1897]

I am about sick and tired of anyone calling game developers lazy. It's hard as hell to do successfully and pays worse than putting 40 hours in working on shitty ERP software.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

I am about sick and tired of anyone calling game developers lazy. It's hard as hell to do successfully and pays worse than putting 40 hours in working on shitty ERP software.

To be fair, there are some very lazy devs. Just look at Bungie And Blizzard.

 

[Kamina]

The quantity of available Pokémon is just a small issue. A much larger issue is probably that assets and animations will be copy/ pasted from older games again and that the new games once again will look like cheap mobile games.

 

[remember_spinal]

When the PS7/Xbox Micro 99 are out, and switch 3 is finally at the ps5 level Gamefreak will finally make games that look like ps4 games

 

[theclaw135]

The quantity of available Pokémon is just a small issue. A much larger issue is probably that assets and animations will be copy/ pasted from older games again and that the new games once again will look like cheap mobile games.

I find it funny how much the crowd clamoring for all the Pokemon, is willing to defend copy/pasted assets.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

They can't put every Pokemon game in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. It pisses me off that my favorite Pokemon are cut from this game.

ITT adults care about Pokémon.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

I'm having a good time with the game, due to the many changes it introduces. But it's tooooo easy (the qol changes are great though), there's too many gen 1 mons for my taste, and too many birds lol.

I wonder how often will they update this game, and if there's gonna be dlc. I always end up with a sad face, because this would have been a revolutionary masterpiece if it was in the hands of a proper developer and platform.

Plays like some sort of offline mmo mixed with BotW, and arceus (which I believe it was a beta for this game), and it makes me sad

 

[GeekyDad]

Played Pokémon blue and the one on switch honestly not much difference I don't get why this crap is popular

Being dead inside will do that to a person.

 

[AV]

It's not true tho, the games are not "exactly the same", they look the same for outsiders, but the games always bring changes and additions, sometimes at the expense of another existing feature in previous game that can return later like contests... Pokemon games iterations aren't just copy-paste of previous entries, the core gameplay is the same, but they have their fair amount of changes and new content to be considered proper sequels... Thing is: They're not remotely as advertised as, say, new region and new same but type of content as the literal new stuff, mechanics and whatnot, because the later is what pokemon fans care the most about

Over 24 years I've completed every single mainline set of games up to Sword + Shield, they're fundamentally the same games each time with a different gimmick. 3 starters with 3 evolutions, a rival, a professor named after a tree who gives you a Pokédex, 8 gym leaders, 8 badges, an evil team of bad guys to defeat, and an elite 4 and 2-3ish legendaries. I run around in tall grass to catch Pokémon, learn certain moves that let me progress like cut and surf and I fight using a team of 6 Pokémon with 4 moves each and water beats fire. Obviously some of those details vary slightly, I think there wasn't quite an elite 4 in S+S or something.

I know that's what the fans want, though. That's what I'm saying, the games will sell 16m copies every time without fail to the core audience, meanwhile people online will complain each and every time about how lazy Game Freak are. They are, but why wouldn't they be when they know what the fans want and usually deliver it?

 

[GymWolf]

I th

So what is a good, latest Pokemon game?

If I ever grabbed one, what would I buy?

Pokemon red and blue, originals can't be beaten.

 

[Skifi28]

I find it funny how much the crowd clamoring for all the Pokemon, is willing to defend copy/pasted assets.

Low quality assets/animations can be excused if they add all pokemon.

Few pokemon can be excused if they use new and improved assets/animations.

Few pokemon with low quality assets/animations can't really be excused.

 

[Kataploom]

Over 24 years I've completed every single mainline set of games up to Sword + Shield, they're fundamentally the same games each time with a different gimmick. 3 starters with 3 evolutions, a rival, a professor named after a tree who gives you a Pokédex, 8 gym leaders, 8 badges, an evil team of bad guys to defeat, and an elite 4 and 2-3ish legendaries. I run around in tall grass to catch Pokémon, learn certain moves that let me progress like cut and surf and I fight using a team of 6 Pokémon with 4 moves each and water beats fire. Obviously some of those details vary slightly, I think there wasn't quite an elite 4 in S+S or something.

I know that's what the fans want, though. That's what I'm saying, the games will sell 16m copies every time without fail to the core audience, meanwhile people online will complain each and every time about how lazy Game Freak are. They are, but why wouldn't they be when they know what the fans want and usually deliver it?

Core elements are almost always there, but new additions are there too depending on the game, gimmicks per entry or whatever like playing with your pokemon, training their EVs or whatever they're called, etc. And those are not even obscure mechanics

 

[LRKD]

Bad performance?

So if I don't get this one, what's the best one to get on Switch? They already have Sword, do I just buy shield so both can play separately and trade?

Oh and how does the new one compare to Sword?

Yeah it's got like bad frame rate, animations and pop in, but Sword and shield had the exact same issues in its wild areas. The whole game is now like an expansion of sword/shields wild areas, it's an open world game now where you can always see the pokemon on the field, no more random encounters. And you can choose where to go and adventure. I think the biggest issue a kid would probably have with this game is getting lost depending on the age of your kids. A lot of the other issues are ones I don't think a kid would notice or care about.

I think that if your kids didn't have any issues or complaints about Sword, I think they'll be just fine with Violet/Scarlet! Especially if they enjoyed the wild areas in Sword. All the switch Pokémon games have their own quirks and issues, but I don't think it'd stop kids from enjoying the games, really any of the games would be a fine pick! But I think getting them Violet and/or Scarlet would be best just so they can play it fresh, and perhaps talk with other kids who just got it and enjoy the social aspect of it.

 

[TLZ]

Yeah it's got like bad frame rate, animations and pop in, but Sword and shield had the exact same issues in its wild areas. The whole game is now like an expansion of sword/shields wild areas, it's an open world game now where you can always see the pokemon on the field, no more random encounters. And you can choose where to go and adventure. I think the biggest issue a kid would probably have with this game is getting lost depending on the age of your kids. A lot of the other issues are ones I don't think a kid would notice or care about.

I think that if your kids didn't have any issues or complaints about Sword, I think they'll be just fine with Violet/Scarlet! Especially if they enjoyed the wild areas in Sword. All the switch Pokémon games have their own quirks and issues, but I don't think it'd stop kids from enjoying the games, really any of the games would be a fine pick! But I think getting them Violet and/or Scarlet would be best just so they can play it fresh, and perhaps talk with other kids who just got it and enjoy the social aspect of it.

Thanks for the detailed post. They're thoroughly enjoying Sword yes. So hopefully it's a safe bet they'll enjoy this one. Only problem is they can't coop and so when one is playing the other is watching, when they both want to be playing at the same time. So I want to get the double pack so they can enjoy and share their experiences at the same time.

 

[levyjl1988]

The reviews are up and the performance for this game is shit.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

The reviews are up and the performance for this game is shit.

It is. But it's still fun.

 

[levyjl1988]

compared to the previous animations in Sw and Sh.


compared to Monster Hunter Rise.


compared to Xenoblade Chronicles.


and later fixed...


Game Freak is lazy as fuck.
Metro gave SV a 4/5 but made a great point about how the Pokémon franchise has always been underwhelming when it comes to improvements from generation to generation.

Pokemon has always been drowning in underutilized potential.

 

[Sticks]

Can't believe Im playing a game this ugly in 2022.

 

[cireza]