Earthpainting
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There were more than enough valid reasons for Square Enix not to bring it over, so I'll forever appreciate that they found a way to make it happen.
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Fujimoto: "...it's like Nintendo took half of the bill!"(for DQVII)
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S-E does not operate base on logic lol. This is a company who knows how huge is DQ fanbase on 3DS then allowed their title to be moved on other platform in hoping that the new platform is going to be able to bring more profit lol. They simply don't care.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Exactly. They're not going to give it lots of TV ad time like VIII got. SE would even go so far as to mail out a free demo disc of DQVIII to interested parties, that's how much effort was put into VIII, but it still didn't hit anywhere near FF sales heights, even with the bundled FFXII demo in NA. IX got a good deal of advertising too, this time from Nintendo.
You can't expect more advertising than Bravely Default here, and you can't necessarily even expect that much as it's late in the 3DS life cycle, and yet, we've seemingly gotten a good deal more than that title anyways. Hopefully the game does well, but Nintendo is not going to break the bank to advertise something that seemingly only hit a million outside Japan once or twice (IX for sure, possibly VIII). Be happy it's coming and buy your copy ASAP.
Yeah, it reminds me of the amount of advertising IX got. Wasn't a DQ fan then, but I definitely noticed it as a Nintendo one.
Pretty sure SE outsources and owns the localizations themselves. Regardless, whatever arrangements there are with Nintendo and publishing handheld titles outside Japan has been going on since the GBA (and also included the original Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles on GC and Fortune Street on Wii). Clearly it's mutually beneficial. SE knows that Nintendo needs sexy exclusive content, and Nintendo knows that SE develops it with the Japanese market in mind, while its Western divisions generally prefer to devote resources to non-handheld titles, PSP and early DS aside. Good on Nintendo for making sure the content keeps coming, supporting their own dedicated platform. It's just not SE's priority outside Japan like it is, say, Bamco's. It stinks, but I guess the sales don't meet expectations.
But I don't think it's always just sales (I mean, it obviously was for VII), it must also be a good business partnership for both parties, as surely SE could have self-published stuff like the Final Fantasy Advance titles (at least the earlier ones before DS took off) and Bravely Second if they wanted to, and been confident in those titles selling well.
Besides, this is good for Nintendo fans. VII shouldn't come to mobile in the West for a long time, and if SE loses interest, it might not ever! A full remake of one of the finest JRPGs ever made is Nintendo exclusive, while a heavily enhanced port of VIII is also entirely exclusive.
What? No, Horii wanted to make a console experience again, like VIII. Good for him, and I agree with him. The console experience is better than a handheld or phone, and he's making three versions (PS4, NX, 3DS) because he wanted it on PS4. I'm glad Horii cared about more than an easy project and profit and wanted to make a console experience again. That Japan has declined as a console market is not a good thing, but Horii isn't going to hurt it even more. Again, this is good.
Yea no. Considering Bravely Default sold pretty well over here, well beyond expectations, it did not stop S-E from not publishing the sequel and leaving it to Nintendo once more.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Thanks Nintendo.
nephilimdj
Member
Its actually interesting they pick a game like this, when something like Monster Hunter Diaries PokaPoka Felyne DX after successful of MH4 is nowhere to be seen.
i have the feeling that these days not just gamers hate nintendo but also their old friends(devs and publishers).
why does SE need money from nintendo to localize games? they are EA of japan in terms of shoveling as many games as possible onto the market, they should not have problems with publishing games. also with dq7 they are so late to the party
I completely disagree there, but 11 does have 3DS and NX versions for people like me. I'm incredibly concerned about the 3DS version getting localized, though.
So, should I buy three? ^_^
Teriyaki Blues
Member
Whatever floats your boat! I'm getting digital (already preloaded) and physical.
Nice interview, thank you for sharing it, OP.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Yaaaa I don't think those audiences have a complete overlap.
Grahamsprodigy
Neo Member
If I get the game, it will actually be the third time I bought it. I gave away my first copy for PS1 to a longtime friend of mine. Bought another one because it's AWESOME.
Fun fact: Theatrhyrhm Curtain Call and Ff Explorers are the only two 3DS games Square Enix has handled themselves in Europe.
There was actually something of a falling out over Kingdom Hearts DDD because SE decided they didn't want to do a full EFIGS translation and Nintendo Iberica refused to publish/distribute it IIRC.
There was actually something of a falling out over Kingdom Hearts DDD because SE decided they didn't want to do a full EFIGS translation and Nintendo Iberica refused to publish/distribute it IIRC.
If only Nintendo give same love and care towards The Great Ace Attorney.T_T
Thats a completely different beast, Metroid is one of Nintendo most expensive to make series and with the exception of Super Metroid and Prime 1 it has never sold over 2 million so the cost benefit is not there for them to keep making them, at least no the 3d ones, Im sure they could fund a 2d one without too much problem
...but please move on to Mother 3, Edgeworth Investigations 2, Dai Gyakuten Saiban and Seiken Densetsu 3 as well!
It's gonna hurt when the game bombs.
Already preordered. Maybe it'll bomb. Maybe not. Maybe it'll do enough to satisfy the core user.
In any case, I'm excited to play a huge, satisfying, quality RPG.
Zelda costs a lot more to make. Skyward Sword, at the time, was their most expensive game to make. BotW probably trumps that now. Smash costs a lot more to make.
This game, DQ7, should not cost them a dime to localize, but it is because Square doesn't like to think 6 minutes from now.
Zelda and Smash sell a shit ton more though. Triforce Heroes has outsold most Metroid games.
Square Enix has a lack of confidence in the 3DS. If DQVII was on PS4/Vita it would have been localised years ago.
Comparing Zelda to Metroid.......stop pliz lol. T_T
U can compare a simple spin-off title like Tri-Force Heroes and it's sales outsold most of Metroid title man.
And Link is simply a much bigger icon vs Samus whether u like it or not. Thats the fact.
I dont know what you are talking about - Nintendo was willing to publish the Bravely Default sequel here because the first game sold well and the game is a 3DS exclusive. They wont be willing localize/publish DQ XI since its a multiplattform release - so SE better step up for the upcoming release.
MatrixMan.EXE
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That's why I'm worried about the 3DS version of DQXI. The PS4 version likely only exists because they have a localisation in mind, but what about the 3DS version? I want both and I'm willing to bet that SE will be weird and localise the NX and PS4 versions while keeping the 3DS version in Japan.
Count the number of years Zelda's gone without a game and compare it to the number of years Metroid's gone without a game. It's hard to keep a series noteworthy when you drop the ball off a mountain and into a pool of lava.
Just like Square's done with Dragon Quest in the west after 9. PS4 and Vita aren't going to save DQH and DQB from being sales disasters here. They killed damn near all mention of the series until Heroes in the west, and yet expected THAT to save it over here.
Well, then we can hope for Sony to actually foot the bill this time lol. They already scream through their lungs that DQ is returning to Sony and it is a wonderful moment lol.
Now, it is the time for them to foot the bill.^^
This is already going everywhere. I am not going to continue this Metroid conversation in this DQ thead.
I feel their lack of confidence to be unfounded for the most part. And I think some doubt should have at least been quelled after the overall positive reactions and success around Bravely Default. That there is a market for more traditional RPGs from them on the 3DS as RPGs have always done well on Nintendo's handhelds.
However in DQ7's case, I don't even see it being localized even if it was Vita exclusive either, at least not without Sony stepping in like Nintendo has with this. They're re-localizing the game and that's a lot of budget required to go over the game's script and all of its dialogue plus all the new stuff in the remake.
Square would step in at some point because of the mobile version of the game. But the point people are trying to make is that Square sees no opportunity when there clearly is on 3DS, and it has been shown repeatedly, to their dismay.
And their decisions will always dumbfound me. I mean, traditionally, Sony's home console and Nintendo's handheld have the lion's share of the JRPG market. The PSP didn't disrupt that either. PSP and DS flourished with RPGs in fact. Now currently, Sony's handheld market cratered, but the 3DS could still be considered safe and still home to a healthy RPG demographic.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Comparing DQ7, which is a main series game, to an Animal Crossing-esque spinoff in a successful franchise. Surely, you see the disconnect?
If the chance ever comes up for them to buy the IP from Square or even co-own it people shouldn't be surprised if Nintendo drops the money to do that. I think they'd jump at the chance to completely lock down the franchise for good.
ZombiePlatypus
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Kinda lame that SE just passed the bucket to Nintendo on their own game, but I'm just thankful we're getting it localized.
:O What is this from? A documentary on the game?
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Where are the ads for this game though? If they want this to perform at least the way DQIX did, then they need to push it like they pushed that game.
SE literally said they didn't plan on localizing it, at all.
:O What is this from? A documentary on the game?
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Where are the ads for this game though? If they want this to perform at least the way DQIX did, then they need to push it like they pushed that game.
Sony did localize Chinese portion of DQH which accounts more than 20% of sales so I've heard (without Taiwanese version it would have never reached million copies), so I think they've got return of what they invested I guess
It's a slide from a session held by NoA for this game at PAX West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZhKQ6MpT4
If I had to bet money on it I'd say we'll never get the 3DS version, Nintendo's focus will be fully on the NX by then so not sure they'll help out this time
The Hermit
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Ok thats nice but...
Where's Mother 3?!
/Jk
I had no intention in buying DQ 7 or 8 (mostly because of my insane backlog), after reading that I might do it.
Where's Mother 3?!
/Jk
I had no intention in buying DQ 7 or 8 (mostly because of my insane backlog), after reading that I might do it.
I don't think Nintendo is terribly interested in attempting to repeat the success of DQIX on a years-late localization, especially in the midst of a transition to new hardware. I think the marketing for it thus far has been fine for what it is, but nothing has indicated that they're trying to push this to a million at all.
Metroid is not one of Nintendo's most expensive series to make, hell everyone of the Prime games have sold better or equal to many Sony and Microsoft 1st games at a fraction of the price to make.
Vyse The Legend
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After the huge success of Bravely Default, you'd think Square would've easily jumped over Second. I mean, it's possible Nintendo had the option to publish the sequel as part of their original deal for Default, but yeah...
Hmmm...that'd be sad if we never get the 2D option in the west.
If Nintendo really is planning to support 3DS through 2018 I could see them publishing DQXI 3DS directly alongside SE selfpublishing the PS4/NX version.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Not entirely true. Square Enix published KH3D and several other titles in Europe themselves. Just might not have distributed them locally, though. That said, I can't find anything in English about a falling out or NOE even handling distribution in Spain.
As an aside, if NOE had actually published it, Multi-5 is basically a requirement for them now, other than #FE.
Why should Sony foot the bill? SE published DQH and will publish DQB in the west. What makes you think DQXI is going to be an exception? In fact, I think SE is going to release it on Steam too in the future.
Yeah, Nintendo is treating Dragon Quest as a de facto first party franchise. Not strange at all since in Japan it was a very iconic Famicom game, as important as Mario and Zelda. I can see them doing the same in the future for Layton and Monster Hunter.
When Nintendo picks up a game in Europe the original Publishers tends to maintain the publisher title but Nintendo handles sales, marketing and distribution aka 90% of the publishers job.
Quick Google lead me to this from our very own Neogaf: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=479402&page=3
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Officially they did not take over though, lol. Also, you're quite wrong as far as this case is concerned as that has never occurred in the Nintendo/SE relationship before. When Nintendo has published SE games in NA, they've done so in Europe as well, and that continues with DQVII.... SE doesn't just nominally publish there. NOE just handled distribution alone in that case, nothing else.
A quick glance at the cover art should tell you that...really. When Nintendo picks up a large part of the publisher's job, they actually do become the publisher, in Europe too. You're wrong.
Thanks for the link though.
According to Aquamarine's Twitter DQVII sold 35k units in September NPD.
Its sales potential undoubtedly suffered from its long delay, but looking at those numbers it's still hard to deny that SE was likely right to be hesitant.
Its sales potential undoubtedly suffered from its long delay, but looking at those numbers it's still hard to deny that SE was likely right to be hesitant.
Ouch, DQ Builders will probably outsell it.
At least it might have done better in Europe.