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Fumita Ueda is a sexist or: Why Females Don't Wear Pants or have grip strength
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mclaren777
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Perhaps not in that culture. Women wearing pants is a very modern phenomenon and that society appears quite old.EatChildren said:
cosmicblizzard
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Jerk 2.0 said:
ACTION GIRLS!
Look it up on TVtropes and check the video games section.
Trent Strong
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BreakyBoy said:Ugh.
There's a difference between representing "classically feminine" women, and basically outright stating that a woman in Ueda's universe is physically incapable of a pullup.
The character is a girl, not a woman.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
BreakyBoy said:
Maybe he wanted to portray a more traditional society and it went against his world design to have pants-wearing females? I don't see what's wrong with it.
Look at Yorda. She's tradtionally girly as hell. Wears a skirt. Fits Ueda's game world. Maybe Jade or Alyx Vance would look way out of place in this world?
Jerk 2.0 said:
Starting in the 1990s... they basically started to take the traditional male hero archetypes (Arnold, Clint Eastwood, etc) and put female "skins" on these heroes without changing their personalities at all.
There's nothing "female" about Lara Croft and her progeny. She's a "macho" hero.... not a true female hero.
That's fine... those types of heroes are necessary at some point in time to get more women in lead roles at all.... but a more traditionally girlie hero shouldn't be any kind of concept to scoff at.
Segata Sanshiro
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Hey man, just because you have no problems thinking women are inferior, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be on board with you.hey_it's_that_dog said:
EmCeeGramr
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BobsRevenge said:
On average, yeah. That doesn't mean that a female protagonist must be incapable of enough grip strength, especially in a game where the grip strength shown by the male protagonist is already in excess of what a young boy, on average, is capable of.
Valkyr Junkie
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Let's continue to get upset by comments that may have been lost in translation.
beelzebozo
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Segata Sanshiro said:
seriously, i wish people would realize how hard women have worked to balance out their biological deficit to males. so much hard work just disregarded.
SolidSnakex
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Lonely1 said:
He's just making a reference to how people position cameras to look up girls skirts (as a RustyNails already pointed out with FFXIII). Kotaku (surprisingly) seems to be the only site that reported this in a way that makes it relatively obvious that he's not serious about the skirt issue.
Fimbulvetr
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cosmicblizzard said:
I'll just save you the trouble and link you to the issue he thought he was going against: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealWomenNeverWearDresses?from=Main.YouSayGirlLikeABadThing
Knux-Future
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fireside said:
no he's wearing Mants... completely different thing.
RustyNails
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The boy from trico? I think he's wearing a wrapper of sortsfireside said:
But you're right. The boy from Ico is wearing pants.
I guess Ueda is trying to present a very traditional, cultural universe in Ico. There has to be different traditional dresses for women and men. So I guess Yorda or any girl wearing pants in Ico universe would seem out of place. Its probably for this reason that Ueda wanted skirt for female protagonist, as it would seem to be a fit for the little universe he created.
cosmicblizzard
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Fimbulvetr said:
There's a reason I didn't link that hellhole!
divisionbyzorro
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GoldandBlue
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I think you mean there was no (laugh) at the end.Finaika said:
Also, I think the reasoning is silly as hell and I don't agree with any of these "it fits the world he's making" reasons. There are a lot of ways to get around it if you wanna keep a skirt on the girl.
Trent Strong said:
OK, I made a mistake in my statement. My apologies. However, are you insinuating that younger girls can't do pullups, but younger boys can? Really?
BocoDragon said:
What?
I was talking about grip strength. I was responding to your "girlie girl" assertion. Where did I mention skirts? I'm actually ok with the skirt reasoning. It's ass-backwards, but if the man's vision of his universe's culture or whatever is that all women wear skirts or dresses, I'm fine with that. Hell, I'd be fine if all the men in his games didn't wear pants or underwear too. I'd consider both things bizarre, but if that's what the creator wants to do, that's what they'll do.
Edit: Let me modify that last bit. I'd be ok with the skirt thing, if it wasn't paired with the asinine grip strength thing. That gives it a much more specific context of "lol women can't do anything!"
EmCeeGramr
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In other news, Prominent First Person Shooter Developer has said that they decided not to put a female character in their game because "females have a harder time firing high caliber firearms, and also they might trip on their dress and high heels while running."
GillianSeed79
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RustyNails said:The boy from trico? I think he's wearing a wrapper of sorts
But you're right. The boy from Ico is wearing pants.
I guess Ueda is trying to present a very traditional, cultural universe in Ico. There has to be different traditional dresses for women and men. So I guess Yorda or any girl wearing pants in Ico universe would seem out of place. Its probably for this reason that Ueda wanted skirt for female protagonist, as it would seem to be a fit for the little universe he created.
Or he's sexist. Just sayin'.
On a somewhat related note, his rationale for choosing a male composer for SotC was kind of odd:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/2152/tokyo_game_show_developer_.php?page=3
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/2152/tokyo_game_show_developer_.php?page=3
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
But it is more plausible than a young girl.EmCeeGramr said:
I mean, I'm sure if you talked to Ueda he could give you some more reasons or whatever. Go over the discussions about the decision. These reasons sound kind of half assed. I can't see someone in charge looking at some early gameplay testing and thinking "No, no, this won't do. Bitches can't climb, I forgot and I'm sorry for the mistake. We're going with a dude."
"Yeah, Ueda, I think you're right. Bitches also wear skirts. And you know, camera angles."
"You're goddamn right. They wear those short skirts and then pretend they don't want it."
A Black Falcon
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TheChaos said:
Indeed. It will be a very good day if Japan ever realizes that it's not 1950 anymore... as you say the West is far from perfect on gender issues, but many miles ahead of the East Asian countries. It's sad, and I very much hope that things change.
I mean, they sort of might have to eventually, right? I mean, their gender discrimination problems are behind some of the causes of Japan's incredibly low birthrate... it's hard to convince Japanese people to have children these days when women are supposed to quit their jobs if married (and particularly if married and with children), and having children when not married is considered socially unthinkable.
Flying_Phoenix
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Is this one of those threads where the OP deals with a very minor situation relying on (insert-"ism") in which reasonable posters complain, while other posters come to bait in order to try and use people as lolcows?
EDIT - *reads thread more thoroughly*
Ahh it just might be!
Ugh. I tend to really dislike archetypes like that. They are so boring, one dimensional, and completely uninteresting. Thank God, American culture has been moving away from that since the late 90's. I personally think Miyazaki has nailed it as far as heros/heroines go.
EDIT - *reads thread more thoroughly*
Ahh it just might be!
BocoDragon said:
Ugh. I tend to really dislike archetypes like that. They are so boring, one dimensional, and completely uninteresting. Thank God, American culture has been moving away from that since the late 90's. I personally think Miyazaki has nailed it as far as heros/heroines go.
I don't see that it's that much of a big deal. I personally prefer female protagonists, but I can live without them, and since so many character creation decisions are made for the purpose of selling via sex or producing eye candy in some form I don't think this particular decision was made for worse reasons than most. It's all pretty superficial and trivial when you look at the big picture, i.e. how good the final character and the overall game are.
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