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I want to buy those RC karts. Planning to pick them up on a price drop (and maybe after I move next year and have more space). Hoping they don’t pull an amiibo and only do one run.
 
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Live is potentially hurt by its barrier to entry, for me.

If it were the same $100 package, but included two cars, and allowed the second player to join in from a smartphone, that would be so much more of a sellable product to most people.

Asking people to spend, what is it, $200 for two cars, and to have or buy another Switch? Yeahhh.

Yes, you can play single-player, and there will be joy in racing through your living room from a bugs-eye perspective, as if it were a whole new world, with your custom tracks, but as Destroya pointed out, the design, the laying the tracks down... it’s multiplayer-centric, and based around that kind of fun. Most people aren’t looking to build tracks by themselves when they get off of work, just to race A.I. Koopalings.

Maybe I’m underestimating how many people know people with Switches and an interest in this game, though. Or perhaps children. It just feels a lot like connectivity all over again — the ultimate multiplayer fun, at a crazy-high hardware cost.
 

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Live is potentially hurt by its barrier to entry, for me.

If it were the same $100 package, but included two cars, and allowed the second player to join in from a smartphone, that would be so much more of a sellable product to most people.

Asking people to spend, what is it, $200 for two cars, and to have or buy another Switch? Yeahhh.

Yes, you can play single-player, and there will be joy in racing through your living room from a bugs-eye perspective, as if it were a whole new world, with your custom tracks, but as Destroya pointed out, the design, the laying the tracks down... it’s multiplayer-centric, and based around that kind of fun. Most people aren’t looking to build tracks by themselves when they get off of work, just to race A.I. Koopalings.

Maybe I’m underestimating how many people know people with Switches and an interest in this game, though. Or perhaps children. It just feels a lot like connectivity all over again — the ultimate multiplayer fun, at a crazy-high hardware cost.
I get the feeling this is meant to be a Christmas present and probably won't be in high demand after that.
 

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I get the feeling this is meant to be a Christmas present and probably won't be in high demand after that.
I wouldn’t underestimate Nintendo, ever, lol. They turned a $100 weighing scale into one of the best selling games ever. :messenger_hushed:

Yeah, though, it’s pretty perfectly suited for this.
 
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I want to say though, despite the hard critiques being rolled out, this game’s concept is still magical. I smile every time I see the mushroom boost make the cart go faster in real life, or that items actually affect it.

The barrier between real life and fantasy being broken down like that, is the most interesting thing.
 

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I want to say though, despite the hard critiques being rolled out, this game’s concept is still magical. I smile every time I see the mushroom boost make the cart go faster in real life, or that items actually affect it.

The barrier between real life and fantasy being broken down like that, is the most interesting thing.
Its certainly impressive. No doubt there.
 

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Live is potentially hurt by its barrier to entry, for me.

If it were the same $100 package, but included two cars, and allowed the second player to join in from a smartphone, that would be so much more of a sellable product to most people.

Asking people to spend, what is it, $200 for two cars, and to have or buy another Switch? Yeahhh.

Yes, you can play single-player, and there will be joy in racing through your living room from a bugs-eye perspective, as if it were a whole new world, with your custom tracks, but as Destroya pointed out, the design, the laying the tracks down... it’s multiplayer-centric, and based around that kind of fun. Most people aren’t looking to build tracks by themselves when they get off of work, just to race A.I. Koopalings.

Maybe I’m underestimating how many people know people with Switches and an interest in this game, though. Or perhaps children. It just feels a lot like connectivity all over again — the ultimate multiplayer fun, at a crazy-high hardware cost.
Yeah, it is definitely aimed at families with multiple children + Switch consoles. The concept is really fun but I am not the target market

Depending on how the Switch "Pro" shakes out I might end up with a 2 player setup at somepoint. Will setup a tinder profile-"Swipe right for Mario Kart".

I get the feeling this is meant to be a Christmas present and probably won't be in high demand after that.
Hoping it ends up on sale next year and I can get two karts without feeling like I just blew $200 on a toy.
 

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Scott Hawkins, head of the developer relations team at Nintendo of America, delivered a talk during BIG Digital 2020. His presentation was primarily aimed at studios potentially interested in bringing their games to Switch, but he also shared an interesting anecdote about Mortal Kombat 11.

While Mortal Kombat 11 was in early development on Switch, Hawkins met with the team and was chatting with an executive at Warner Bros. We don’t know who exactly this person was, but they were “concerned because it’s a mature-rated title that it wouldn’t be Nintendo-friendly.” Mortal Kombat 11 was ultimately “a big success” on Switch, so Hawkins used this story to demonstrate that you can find “an audience for lots of different types of content on the platform”.

Scott Hawkins said:
“When Warner Bros. got the first playable build of Mortal Kombat 11 up and running on Nintendo Switch, I flew down and met with the team down in southern California. One of the executives there was meeting with me and showing me the game, and we were playing it, and he looks at me and he says, ‘Scott, are you sure Nintendo wants this game on Nintendo Switch?’ And I said, ‘Yes, we absolutely want this game.’

He was concerned because it’s a mature-rated title that it wouldn’t be Nintendo-friendly. But clearly after seeing the first month’s worth of sales and see it be the number one game on the platform, it shows that yes, there is an audience. There’s an audience for lots of different types of content on the platform, and this was a big success.”
 

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It really looks like a super fun toy! Too bad I have neither kids nor space to warrant the purchase of it.
Yeah, and I'm not about to get back into kidnapping just for this.

I also saw a bunch of Mario Kart Hot Wheels sets for sale. Where was this shit like 20-25 years ago, dammit? I'm honestly half tempted to buy some of those anyway.
 

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Zelda Lego would have decimated my small savings account as a child.

Seeing the NES and Mario sets makes me think there is a chance we get a Zelda set next year. Still cool but not as cool when you're in your late 20's.
 
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Scott Hawkins, head of the developer relations team at Nintendo of America, delivered a talk during BIG Digital 2020. His presentation was primarily aimed at studios potentially interested in bringing their games to Switch, but he also shared an interesting anecdote about Mortal Kombat 11.

While Mortal Kombat 11 was in early development on Switch, Hawkins met with the team and was chatting with an executive at Warner Bros. We don’t know who exactly this person was, but they were “concerned because it’s a mature-rated title that it wouldn’t be Nintendo-friendly.” Mortal Kombat 11 was ultimately “a big success” on Switch, so Hawkins used this story to demonstrate that you can find “an audience for lots of different types of content on the platform”.
It’s crazy how long-lived disinformation memes can be. An eternity ago, Nintendo was the only platform holder that allowed BMX XXX (it’s what it sounds like) to be entirely uncensored, on the GameCube. That was twenty years ago.

I get the feeling that a lot of the top brass at these companies don’t understand Nintendo and Nintendo gamers at all. Also that they’re laser-targeted on AAA trends, without paying attention to the market as a whole, often leaving them behind, but that’s a different discussion.
 

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It’s crazy how long-lived disinformation memes can be. An eternity ago, Nintendo was the only platform holder that allowed BMX XXX (it’s what it sounds like) to be entirely uncensored, on the GameCube. That was twenty years ago.

I get the feeling that a lot of the top brass at these companies don’t understand Nintendo and Nintendo gamers at all. Also that they’re laser-targeted on AAA trends, without paying attention to the market as a whole, often leaving them behind, but that’s a different discussion.
Nintendo has been strange about this. There are plenty of examples of third party censorship from the 80s/90s. Now they let third parties do whatever they want and Sony is the one censoring games.


Conversely there have been a number of regional differences with Nintendo first party titles, most recently Xenoblade Chronicles X and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. For TMS #FE on the Switch they used the censored Western version for all regions including Japan which was an odd choice but it seems like they would rather have one version of the game they can release everywhere to make things more translation rather localization. Still, there are some games like Mother 3 that we will never see because they just wouldn't fly over here...
 
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Nintendo has been strange about this. There are plenty of examples of third party censorship from the 80s/90s. Now they let third parties do whatever they want and Sony is the one censoring games.


Conversely there have been a number of regional differences with Nintendo first party titles, most recently Xenoblade Chronicles X and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. For TMS #FE on the Switch they used the censored Western version for all regions including Japan which was an odd choice but it seems like they would rather have one version of the game they can release everywhere to make things more translation rather localization. Still, there are some games like Mother 3 that we will never see because they just wouldn't fly over here...
The latter seems to be modern-day ideological inclinations, rather than maturity concerns. A just as bad example, but almost everyone is doing it.
 

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Nintendo has been strange about this. There are plenty of examples of third party censorship from the 80s/90s. Now they let third parties do whatever they want and Sony is the one censoring games.


Conversely there have been a number of regional differences with Nintendo first party titles, most recently Xenoblade Chronicles X and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. For TMS #FE on the Switch they used the censored Western version for all regions including Japan which was an odd choice but it seems like they would rather have one version of the game they can release everywhere to make things more translation rather localization. Still, there are some games like Mother 3 that we will never see because they just wouldn't fly over here...
Yeah, they could never bring that over here without pissing off either Reesetera or purists who want the game exactly as it is.
 

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What exactly does it do that's so controversial then?
I've never played it myself, but the Magypsy's name alone would trigger some people. The game has some pretty questionable stuff in it from what I've seen.
 
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The latter seems to be modern-day ideological inclinations, rather than maturity concerns. A just as bad example, but almost everyone is doing it.
Certainly-it is interesting to watch the fight that is going on between Japanese media in general and the West right now. I've expected the Japanese studios to weather to storm but I've seen a lot of articles about concessions and compromises. I wonder if the neo-puritans will win out in the long run? Hard to keep up with the race to end of subjective morality where everything is simultaneously permissible and nothing is acceptable.
Yeah, they could never bring that over here without pissing off either Reesetera or purists who want the game exactly as it is.
Agree. Unfortunately.
What exactly does it do that's so controversial then?
What Eevee86 Eevee86 posted above. I've never played it either. I also recall there were complaints about the game making a homosexual rape joke as well as a joke about the changing nature of what is considered sexual harassment. The enemies also do a roman salute like the Nazis.

There is also this character:

 
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I've never played it myself, but the Magypsy's name alone would trigger some people. The game has some pretty questionable stuff in it from what I've seen.
Certainly-it is interesting to watch the fight that is going on between Japanese media in general and the West right now. I've expected the Japanese studios to whether to storm but I've seen a lot of articles about concessions and compromises. I wonder if the neo-puritans will win out in the long run. Hard to keep up with the race to end of subjective morality where everything is simultaneously permissible and nothing is acceptable.

Agree. Unfortunately.

What Eevee86 Eevee86 posted above. I've never played it either. I also recall there were complaints about the game making a homosexual rape joke as well as a joke about the changing nature of what is considered sexual harassment.

There is also this character:



I see yeah, that would anger the puritan hive alright. We're actually missing out on entire games because of them, I know this isn't the first one but it's really sad it has to be like this. But oh well, it'll probably stay like this or get worse I guess.
 

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Was on the eShop and I saw digimon cyber sleuth and from what I can gather it's like SMT? Is it worth the 25 dollars?
 

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Continuing through BotW. I'm enjoying it, but I ran into a frustrating patch today. I finally made it to Rockin' Robbie and his ancient tech lab in the northeast corner. First I had to get undressed for the guy, then I had to light a furnace.

The disrobing was bad enough, but the lamp-lighting ceremony was a royal pain. The game chose then to rain for 40 days and 40 nights, so I was reduced to just sitting there watching it rain...and rain...and rain...and rain.

Then the rain stops! Finally! Quick, grab your torch and get going! Two torches lit, fight with baddies. I forget I'm wielding a torch as a weapon, so I nearly break it. Then the rain starts again. Sonofa... So back up the hill with a nearly busted torch to watch the rain again. Why is it raining so much? I swear I sat there for 10 minutes and just watched it rain. It's not as peaceful as it sounds.

Eventually the rain stops again. I get back at it, but I push the wrong button and end up breaking my torch. Now wtf do I do? I run all over looking for another torch. I'm not going to have to teleport out, just to go buy a torch, am I? I later learned, though I didn't know it at the time, that I could've used any wooden weapon, not just a torch. Doh.

I reload an old save, swallow a speed potion, and run the gauntlet. I make it, whew. But the whole thing was kind of frustrating. I needed to go for a bike ride afterwards, to discharge some tension.

Rockin' Robbie is a funny character, btw, the kind you only see in JRPGs.

I am doing fine overall, though. Unlocked a bunch of towers, ran through more shrines. Did one of the giant beastie things, with a little help from Youtube.

My favorite part of the game is the open-world exploration, when I'm travelling cross-country and trying to reach some distant location. My least favorite part of the game is some of the interior puzzles. Most are pretty simple, but some just seem too obtuse to me, and I don't like being stuck indoors fussing with them. I'm surprised at how challenging some of them are. I had a preconception that Nintendo games are easy, and although the majority of the game has been pretty easy, that's not true of all of it. Some of the puzzles here are considerably tougher than the ones you'd find in, let's say, Tomb Raider.

Exploration is great, and the paraglider helps a lot with that. I've got all the towers unlocked (except probably one in the desert, which I can't locate). I haven't unlocked any of the memories yet, so maybe I'll try those soon.
 
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The way some people act, I am seriously surprised at how well Nintendo and Zelda are doing in the Game of the Generation polls. Mario would probably still be in if it hadn't met it's match in the former.

Makes me think that Nintendo/Zelda threads were being wrecked by a small minority of idiot loudmouths, and most Gaffers, maybe even if they don't post as much, are quite sensible.
 

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The way some people act, I am seriously surprised at how well Nintendo and Zelda are doing in the Game of the Generation polls. Mario would probably still be in if it hadn't met it's match in the former.

Makes me think that Nintendo/Zelda threads were being wrecked by a small minority of idiot loudmouths, and most Gaffers, maybe even if they don't post as much, are quite sensible.
Yeah but they picked the Witcher "serviceable combat" 3 over Bloodborne, so their taste is dogshit regardless.

- Mr. Neversensible
 

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The way some people act, I am seriously surprised at how well Nintendo and Zelda are doing in the Game of the Generation polls. Mario would probably still be in if it hadn't met it's match in the former.

Makes me think that Nintendo/Zelda threads were being wrecked by a small minority of idiot loudmouths, and most Gaffers, maybe even if they don't post as much, are quite sensible.
My own experience, which is limited to be sure, is that mentioning the Switch and/or Nintendo outside this thread hasn't resulted in any stone-throwing or insults. My statements have been either accepted or agreed with. Perhaps we're over-estimating the hostility that GAF has towards Nintendo. As a non-Nintendo guy for many years, my perception was always that GAF was, if anything, pro-Nintendo.

In any large group, there will always be a minority who are jerks or ignorant. Maybe we shouldn't assume GAF is "against us." Maybe that's generalizing from a small subset of morons. Perhaps we should not cloister ourselves in the OT and instead venture forth into the GAF rabble, spreading our korok seeds.

And anyone who doesn't recognize Zelda's quality, even if they haven't played it, has been living in a hole. It swept the GOTY awards. It almost singlehandedly responsible for Switch's early success. It's reputation alone is impressive. You'd have to be pretty dense, to argue against its quality.
 
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My own experience, which is limited to be sure, is that mentioning the Switch and/or Nintendo outside this thread hasn't resulted in any stone-throwing or insults. My statements have been either accepted or agreed with. Perhaps we're over-estimating the hostility that GAF has towards Nintendo. As a non-Nintendo guy for many years, my perception was always that GAF was, if anything, pro-Nintendo.

In any large group, there will always be a minority who are jerks or ignorant. Maybe we shouldn't assume GAF is "against us." Maybe that's generalizing from a small subset of morons. Perhaps we should not cloister ourselves in the OT and instead venture forth into the GAF rabble, spreading our korok seeds.

And anyone who doesn't recognize Zelda's quality, even if they haven't played it, has been living in a hole. It swept the GOTY awards. It almost singlehandedly responsible for Switch's early success. It's reputation alone is impressive. You'd have to be pretty dense, to argue against its quality.
Nothing but respect for your take.

However, I can confidently state that this hasn’t been the majority of our experiences here, particularly dating back a few months (has it gotten better? I feel like it’s gotten better). Considerations of bias, or being cloistered in a groupthink thread, while understandable from someone who hasn’t been there, need not apply here.

Objectively, Nintendo discussion has been pretty terrible on this forum, all in all. The kind of thing where you try to discuss, and you have someone screaming every insult in your ear, blatantly trolling, etc.
 

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Nothing but respect for your take.

However, I can confidently state that this hasn’t been the majority of our experiences here, particularly dating back a few months (has it gotten better? I feel like it’s gotten better). Considerations of bias, or being cloistered in a groupthink thread, while understandable from someone who hasn’t been there, need not apply here.

Objectively, Nintendo discussion has been pretty terrible on this forum, all in all. The kind of thing where you try to discuss, and you have someone screaming every insult in your ear, blatantly trolling, etc.
Hm. Ok. I haven't been nearly as plugged into the Nintendo threads as you have. I trust your opinion and perspective. It's certainly based on more experience than mine is. However, I'll just say that, so far, my experience in discussing Nintendo outside this thread has been fine. Maybe I'll change my tune when I get beseiged by the insults and trolling you're talking about.

To me, though, GAF is a place that is filled with a lot of negativity in general. I don't really see it targeted at Nintendo specifically. Xbox gets an enormous amount of grief, and people are incredibly negative about Sony, even on "Sony GAF." It has turned me off the forum many times; I just had to take a break. It's much worse now, with next gen coming up. I don't think it's GAF specifically. Every game forum I've been on has been like this -- a lot of negativity, complaint, sneering, one-upmanship, petty bickering, etc.

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Considerations of bias, or being cloistered in a groupthink thread, while understandable from someone who hasn’t been there, need not apply here.
Just to clarify, I wasn't implying any sort of groupthink. I was just saying, maybe we don't need to hide in a single thread. Maybe the environment is not as dangerous and hostile as we think.

I could be wrong, of course. In which case, I'll probably find out soon enough, lol.
 
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Hm. Ok. I haven't been nearly as plugged into the Nintendo threads as you have. I trust your opinion and perspective. It's certainly based on more experience than mine is. However, I'll just say that, so far, my experience in discussing Nintendo outside this thread has been fine. Maybe I'll change my tune when I get beseiged by the insults and trolling you're talking about.

To me, though, GAF is a place that is filled with a lot of negativity in general. I don't really see it targeted at Nintendo specifically. Xbox gets an enormous amount of grief, and people are incredibly negative about Sony, even on "Sony GAF." It has turned me off the forum many times; I just had to take a break. It's much worse now, with next gen coming up. I don't think it's GAF specifically. Every game forum I've been on has been like this -- generally, a lot of negativity, complaint, sneering, one-upmanship, etc.
Yeah, it’s a people problem, which I always like to emphasize. Gaf itself is a superb forum.
 
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My own experience, which is limited to be sure, is that mentioning the Switch and/or Nintendo outside this thread hasn't resulted in any stone-throwing or insults. My statements have been either accepted or agreed with. Perhaps we're over-estimating the hostility that GAF has towards Nintendo. As a non-Nintendo guy for many years, my perception was always that GAF was, if anything, pro-Nintendo.

In any large group, there will always be a minority who are jerks or ignorant. Maybe we shouldn't assume GAF is "against us." Maybe that's generalizing from a small subset of morons. Perhaps we should not cloister ourselves in the OT and instead venture forth into the GAF rabble, spreading our korok seeds.

And anyone who doesn't recognize Zelda's quality, even if they haven't played it, has been living in a hole. It swept the GOTY awards. It almost singlehandedly responsible for Switch's early success. It's reputation alone is impressive. You'd have to be pretty dense, to argue against its quality.
Yeah man Genshin is a great game.
 

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Hey, Nintenchodes!

I've been playing Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition. I'm about 20 hours in, and let me say, it's pretty goddamn great. I kind of can't believe that this thing even exists, honestly - I was sure Nintendo was going to leave us with the 3DS version of the game and tell us to fuck off. But it's great. The game looks fantastic, and it sounds innnncccrrrrreeedddiibbbblleeee. I'm really glad I waited for my speakers to get here before embarking, even if it meant waiting for months to play the thing. Also, this game just feels way better to play early on than Xenoblade 2. Combat is faster and I like the simplicity. XB2's complexity has its charm, but it just feels like a mess at first.

So yeah. That's great. Also a good background distraction while I buy a ton of arcade boards that I don't have a proper place to store yet. Help.
 

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A lot of Nintendo threads get trashed by trolls and console warriors and then we also have threads like this one:


Where it's basically an excuse to circle-jerk peoples Nintendo hate boners.

It's sometimes tiring being a Nintendo fan on here.

At least I have a lot of posts to lol at though.
 

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A lot of Nintendo threads get trashed by trolls and console warriors and then we also have threads like this one:


Where it's basically an excuse to circle-jerk peoples Nintendo hate boners.

It's sometimes tiring being a Nintendo fan on here.

At least I have a lot of posts to lol at though.
I dunno if I agree about that thread being a circle-jerk of Nintendo hate boners.

I love Nintendo and posted in there. I read it more as, post ideas you'd like to see from Nintendo but don't think you'll see ever/anytime soon because Nintendo usually do things that are surprising and not obvious.

Breath of the Wild is also at least GAFs second favourite game of the generation.
 

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The disrobing was bad enough, but the lamp-lighting ceremony was a royal pain. The game chose then to rain for 40 days and 40 nights, so I was reduced to just sitting there watching it rain...and rain...and rain...and rain.

Then the rain stops! Finally! Quick, grab your torch and get going! Two torches lit, fight with baddies. I forget I'm wielding a torch as a weapon, so I nearly break it. Then the rain starts again. Sonofa... So back up the hill with a nearly busted torch to watch the rain again. Why is it raining so much? I swear I sat there for 10 minutes and just watched it rain. It's not as peaceful as it sounds.

Eventually the rain stops again. I get back at it, but I push the wrong button and end up breaking my torch. Now wtf do I do? I run all over looking for another torch. I'm not going to have to teleport out, just to go buy a torch, am I? I later learned, though I didn't know it at the time, that I could've used any wooden weapon, not just a torch. Doh.
Make a campfire and then you can skip time until the rain stops.
You could also light up your arrows from those lamps for example and shoot other lamps from there.
 

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Make a campfire and then you can skip time until the rain stops.
You could also light up your arrows from those lamps for example and shoot other lamps from there.
How do I make a campfire in the rain, though? Doesn't the rain just douse it? I tried to use arrows, but I couldn't get it to work in the rain. There wasn't enough space to stand without getting rained on, so the rain put the light out before I could line up the shot and fire.
 

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How do I make a campfire in the rain, though? Doesn't the rain just douse it? I tried to use arrows, but I couldn't get it to work in the rain. There wasn't enough space to stand without getting rained on, so the rain put the light out before I could line up the shot and fire.
Search for a shade somewhere, I remember there's one nearby where I lighted up one. Also yeah fire arrows doesn't work in the rain, I just wait until the rain stops.