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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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If Sansa knows that Littlefinger betrayed Ned then that makes all of the complaining she's been doing about Jon's decisions really hypocritical in my opinion. She gets upset when Jon wants to make potentially questionable allies, yet she's the reason Littlefinger is still in Winterfell.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Tyrion is his fave I believe..
and Cersei underdog? You been drinking too much of that Dornish wine breh?
Alex_Mexico
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*citation needed*
I'd look it up but something tells me I should maybe not while at work.
And you're goddamn right. Grey Worm is a lucky bastard.
Psychoward
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i mean, "likeable" in the context of works of fiction is not the same as liking someone as a person.
she is a likeable character, even if she is rotten to the core
Psychoward
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I thought he died shortly after his mom but I could be wrong
is he the current ruler then and LF isn't?
if LF doesn't control the Vale then there's zero reason that he should have still been breathing after the battle of the bastards finished
i mean she's not a good person but as an observer she can be fun to watch
This is the one time I found her likable. I hated the Sept so much
yellowjacket25
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Maybe the books will explain it better but the show really makes it feel like things are just randomly being thrown in to help Cersei. Euron has been in all of three or four episodes now. Tarly has been in two. The magical dragon killer bow came out of nowhere. If she wins this war, I fully expect Qyburn to just randomly invent something that wipes out White Walkers for the next one.
Cat's dead. Someone else might know, though.
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/4845855/game-of-thrones-littlefinger-the-hound-theory/?source=dam
he is alive and the true heir to the vale, LF is like an warden more than the Lord of the vale
LukasTaves
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Yeah, did her ever done that to a good man undeservedly? Jon didn't take slaves, nor killed innocent people nor betrayed Dany in any way.
In fact she did even offered redemption to much worse people.
You mean, she's the reason Winterfell is no longer held by the Boltons.
Psychoward
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it was a fantastic episode but she also killed dormer ;_;
Jon is the king of the north, one of the seven kingdoms she wants to rule. they are in conflict as of now.
also she said something like, summon him to bent the knee, without even knowing him or his whole deal,
That was pretty great revenge.
Varys hasn't done anything wrong to her personally yet she still threatened him because the mere possibility of Varys betraying her existed. If Jon doesn't bend his knee to her she could totally see that as a personal offense to her.
I mean, in the letter she ravened to Jon she was already ordering him.
oh man, i just want jon to show them how a good ruler should be, and make her feel like fucking shit
TimeEffect
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I think Cersei is empathetic
Her whole story is being ruled by her sexist family, hiding her love for her brother, having her children die which has surely made her go mad, and holding on to what she has left
She's an evil character, but she shows she's human
Her whole story is being ruled by her sexist family, hiding her love for her brother, having her children die which has surely made her go mad, and holding on to what she has left
She's an evil character, but she shows she's human
I called the anti-dragon ballista a few pages back. I'll gladly accept my lordship now. They're just setting Dany up to lose this horribly aren't they?
Dany's fleet is in disarray if not already completed destroyed by that attack. Dorne is going to have to walk their asses hundreds of miles to king's landing which could take weeks or months. They'll be out of position by the time an impatient Dany and Lady "hurry-up-and-be-a-fucking-dragon" Olenna attack King's Landing. Without the Dornish, the Tyrells will probably be flanked by Lord Tarly.
Dany will probably bring her dragons straight into a volley of ballista arrows. Dead dragons means everyone is fucked. I have a feeling Cersei comes out on top of this somehow and the White Walkers just steamroll everyone in the end.
Dany's fleet is in disarray if not already completed destroyed by that attack. Dorne is going to have to walk their asses hundreds of miles to king's landing which could take weeks or months. They'll be out of position by the time an impatient Dany and Lady "hurry-up-and-be-a-fucking-dragon" Olenna attack King's Landing. Without the Dornish, the Tyrells will probably be flanked by Lord Tarly.
Dany will probably bring her dragons straight into a volley of ballista arrows. Dead dragons means everyone is fucked. I have a feeling Cersei comes out on top of this somehow and the White Walkers just steamroll everyone in the end.
Psychoward
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BRUH
I mean, I don't agree with his xenophobic comments. Not much else to it. He continues his heel turn after raping his sister a few seasons back.
I effectively compared him to Farage spouting #Brexit arguments so naturally I think he's going down an evil path.
Edit: Has this been shared yet? It's my favorite take on the episode so far:
More at the source: http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/sundays-game-of-thrones-episode-was-all-about-hillary-c-1797191391
Cersei's children being dead is completely Cersei's fault though.
Psychoward
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the rape scene was easily in the top 5 worst scenes of the show
it was bad enough but then the fact that the creators had conflicting comments on whether it was meant to be rape or not (it fucking was) was weird as hell
never should have been in the show and jamie should have turned on cersei earlier
TimeEffect
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Lol. Im not cheering for her or anything, I just understand she's been treated like shit forever
I mean, her husband comes off like a drunk, lustful pig she was forced to marry
i mean, she was a awful persons since little, so i dont think marrying robert has anything to do with it
FinalStageBoss
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Exactly, I threw up a little bit in my mouth when i read that tbh
Psychoward
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I'm saying you can't use her children dying as a sign of her empathy considering she indirectly killed one and raised the other to be a shitheel who got assassinated.
also i remember reading after he was cast that Euron might have been played by James Purefoy of Marc Antony from Rome fame
that would have been perfect and so much better than what we got ;_;
this motherfucker was so charismatic I was thinking of making a LTTP thread when I watched the series a few months ago just because of him (and how it's a shame he hasn't been in a role as big since)
Heh, he was also "fancast" as Mance Rayder.
By me anyway.
If you miss Rome you should catch John Carter, if only to pretend you're watching Space Rome.
Ros8105
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I don't remember the scene tbh. But he's talking about the Dothraki, right?
If she learned about while hanging out across the continent in the Vale, everyone else knows too. Jon knew what was happening in Kings Landing and tried to desert, then served with the guy who carried out the betrayel. Sansa and Arya were both there. Tyrion has talked about it despite also being in the Vale at the time. Brienne served with Catelyn until Jaime's release etc. etc.
There isn't any reason to think people are ignorant of Littlefinger's treachery. Sansa is just a pragmatist and Jon has only actually met littlefinger once, this episode, and immediately showed his disdain
Melon Husk
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Jon:
"You'll never have Sansa as long as I rule."
"The only path to Sansa is through me."
"I hope this has persuaded you from chasing her."
...
"So, just so we're clear, if you want Sansa, you know you have to deal with me first, right?."
"See you in a few weeks, bye. Sansa has all the power while I'm gone"
"You'll never have Sansa as long as I rule."
"The only path to Sansa is through me."
"I hope this has persuaded you from chasing her."
...
"So, just so we're clear, if you want Sansa, you know you have to deal with me first, right?."
"See you in a few weeks, bye. Sansa has all the power while I'm gone"
Things always look darkest before the dawn, which the Prince/Princess that was promised will supposedly bring, according to Melisandre at least. I mean when has she ever been... wrong...
Psychoward
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Heh, he was also "fancast" as Mance Rayder.
By me anyway.
If you miss Rome you should catch John Carter, if only to pretend you're watching Space Rome.
holy shit
Dubbedinenglish
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Dothraki and Unsullied
ComputerBlue
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Well off topic but why in the hell does everyone on this forum start their sentences with I mean, these are from this page alone, lol.
Robyn is still alive, he's worst than Tommen too and a worst brat than Joffrey.
And the unsullied.
I mean, I may have to rewatch but I'm pretty sure it was both.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, that's just from memory.
I mean, this is all for you Valar Morghulis
I see alot of people hating on Sansa but I don't think she's been wrong yet. Its odd they they are setting up situations similar to what Ned and Robb have faced and Jon is basically following their path, while Sansa's path basically represents a lesson they should've learned from in the past.
Also, as far as Davos, getting rid of the red witch seems to be the stupidest move yet if we agree that the Night King is the real threat. I guess its good that she's landed with Dany but what she did to Shireen is petty compared to her value. If Davos believes Jon about the dead army then they are way beyond the point of refusing help yet he lets his emotions guide him and exhiles her.
Except Sansa is applying those lessons at the worst possible time. She still thinks they're playing the political game when Jon is more focused on stopping the zombie hoard that doesn't give two shits about who your allies and enemies are and hates everyone equally. Everything Sansa has done since they've taken Winterfell would essentially result in them creating more enemies and making no allies.
LukasTaves
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Yeah, but there's a long way from threatening someone as a warning to do it out of the blue.
Mind you, Varys did try to get her killed, and had just told her he wouldn't follow her blindly.
Her burning Jon for no reason would be like her becoming her father, which they are toying with, but ever with a clear line she doesn't cross.
i think that, they are trying to portray jaime as shit so when he finally turns on cersei it would be a big reveal or something
i mean, i totally see it coming
Atomic Playboy
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Poppycock. Joffrey being dead is Joffrey's fault, although perhaps you could say Cersei was a bad mother who raised a demon. But Joffrey died because he was a miserable shit with power. Tommen... that one's mostly on Cersei, either by letting the Faith Militant come into power and brainwash him in the first place, or by murdering everyone and causing him such grief he felt suicide was the only option. Myrcella... I don't see how you possibly hold Cersei accountable for Myrcella's death. Cersei didn't want her to go to Dorne in the first place, and it turns out she was right to be paranoid about that. Cersei deserves blame for a lot of bad actions on the show, but I wouldn't hold her accountable for her children's deaths.
All these people you mention weren't in the throne room when LF turned.
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