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Hcoregamer00 said:
Yeah, that is pretty darn similar to my situation, the handhelds are pretty much pirate heaven, while the consoles seem to be almost piracy free.

I think it also has a lot to do with price, a person would have more problems with a $500 paper weight compared to a $170 one if a the console gets bricked.

I think it's also the ease. You don't do any hardware modifications on the DS at all, and just sometimes on the PSP. A $35 - $50 card on the DS + MicroSD is all you need. 2GB MicroSD Cards are $20 - $30. PSP is basically ready to go as long as you (or a friend) can change the firmware.

Unlike a console where you have to go find a local modder, pay for the hardware modding which kills the warranty and can never be reversed. On the 360 front, you're banned from Live too.
 
Thailand is all about the piracy, much like the other countries mentioned in this thread. There have been attempts to crack down on it, but eh ... they're mostly half-hearted attempts made by policemen whose paltry salaries are buffed from bribes given to them by the merchants.

I've been living in Spain with my husband for the past two years, and I guess due to the fact that we don't really have gamer friends and other issues (like the city we live), I don't see it as much. Certainly not as much as in my home country, where there are certain hotspots in Bangkok where you could go and find kilometer upon kilometer of game shops selling every kind of modded console and/or pirated game you can imagine.

And yeah, people look at you as though you're crazy if you *gasp* even consider buying a legitimate copy. (E.g., "Why the hell would you want to spend 2,500 baht (50 euros/US$60) on a game when you can have it for 50 baht? You can get 50 fucking games for the price of one! Are you a rich idiot or something?")
 
It's fairly big in the city I live in (Wilkes Barre, PA). Both EB/Gamestop workers talk about how ther pirate games all the time. I've seen people that I worked with, that have PSP/DS's playing pirated stuff. I'm lucky if 5 people I know that play games (myself included) that don't pirate games.
 
I don't know any Americans who pirate. My friends and I all buy our games. Even though I bought a Swap Magic for my PS2, I still buy games. I only got it to play KoF XI, which I wasn't gonna spend $80 to import.
 
Piracy in the US is limited to where large amounts of college age students congregate, like colleges. At my school, in the middle of nowhere in Texas, people pirated quite frequently. It wasn't organized into businesses, but everyone knew someone with enough electronics skill to mod their ps1, ps2, or xbox. I left before the 360 hit, but I would assume it still holds true.

Granted, hearing some of the prices for legitimate games in other countries, where the median income is much lower than the US, does give me pause. It would be harder for me to justify buying games if they cost $140. It's offtopic, but why the price increase?
 
zabuni said:
Granted, hearing some of the prices for legitimate games in other countries, where the median income is much lower than the US, does give me pause. It would be harder for me to justify buying games if they cost $140. It's offtopic, but why the price increase?

Obviously can't speak for every country, but mostly because it's imported. Not every country can produce it's own games, and many don't even have official representation of the Big Three.

Here in Argentina, ANY kind of electronics or software has a 70%+ tax markup, and that's not even counting store markup for revenue =/
 
Question for the people in piracy-heavy countries: do people just try to build large collections of pirated games, without even playing most of them? Basically, do they seem like casual gamers?

My brother pirated a lot back in the late PS1/DC days, but he barely played any of them. And he'd always call me stupid for wanting to buy games I was genuinely excited about playing. Even worse, my parents encouraged him; it wasn't until they realized that pirated games make shitty birthday/Christmas gifts that they let me buy them again.
 
Can't speak for anyone outside my circle of colleagues and friends, but...
Games are pirated "as a way to test-drive the game and evade copy protection bullshit" in my country... or at least my city.

Affected platforms: Predominantly PC, DS, PS2 and PSP.
A surprising amount of PC games still get bought, but I'd bet sales are only three quarters of what they could be. PS2, DS and PSP sales are likely even worse off. Especially portable consoles are extremely prone to piracy. If you know where to look you can get (admittedly pretty shitty) Slot1&2 DS flashcarts in normal stores, of course labeled as MP3/Video addons. They're pretty rare, though. Everybody knows how to use a webbrowser.

PC gaming and piracy is extremely common and likely the worst of the bunch in absolute terms, given the higher market penetration of PCs. Germany is PC gaming central.
From what I can tell we're not THAT into console or portable gaming, although a certain Blue Ocean strategy seems to have made some inroads, and PS2 had a decent market share.
Nonetheless, I believe that if someone in Germany owns a PC for gaming or video watching purposes you WILL find a sizable emule/Bittorrent/etc collection and a huge-ass harddrive in its vincinity. It's just the way things go. Anime, american TV series, hollywood movies, PC games, music. Everything.

Premiere (payTV) gets pirated routinely by means of PC software/hardware combo or modded hardware.
It has to be noted that German TV sucks shit through a straw though.

Location: Munich, Germany
 
i think piracy is reasonably rampant around here. people at the jobs i've been at always talk about downloading movies and games and they're so proud of themselves when they do. it's amazing.
 
yeb said:
Question for the people in piracy-heavy countries: do people just try to build large collections of pirated games, without even playing most of them? Basically, do they seem like casual gamers?

My brother pirated a lot back in the late PS1/DC days, but he barely played any of them. And he'd always call me stupid for wanting to buy games I was genuinely excited about playing. Even worse, my parents encouraged him; it wasn't until they realized that pirated games make shitty birthday/Christmas gifts that they let me buy them again.

My friends play a lot of them. It's just digital ROMs nowadays anyway because people seem less willing to mod their consoles. Since it's all free, my friends can try out more games without the risk of paying $40 for a game they might not like. This means that they often do play games like Etrian Odyssey, Phoenix Wright, Hotel Dusk or Trauma Center.
 
TemplaerDude said:
i think piracy is reasonably rampant around here. people at the jobs i've been at always talk about downloading movies and games and they're so proud of themselves when they do. it's amazing.
it's not easy to figure out those fancy p2p apps, give them credit.
 
Well, for my age group it's just a given. I mean, our profs seem to assume we just happen to have $1000+ worth of Adobe products for all our courses. Same with wonderful $5k+ 3D Modelling programs.
 
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

The piracy scene here is so bad, you get laughed and scorned at, like you're some kind of disease, should you even hint at supporting originals. PSP modders, Xbox 360 drive flashers, NDS R4 users gets hailed as heroes here. The PS3 have been spared the piracy treatment, thanks to its Blu-ray size, but i fear even THAT will gets shortlived sooner or later.

These piracy supporters even band up and alienates those who dont follow their way. How it's done is no thanks part of the weak broadband treatment we get here. The internet lines here are so pathetic, any attempt to play anyone outside of the localised area (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia), will result in severely laggy games online. So, the online community around here are sorta stuck with each other, and with the piracy supporters banding together to their cause, you get what bleak picture im trying to paint here.

Dont get me wrong, i dabbled in piracy myself during my younger days, but for those games i love, i get it legit. You have no idea how easy it is to get pirated copies of the latest games here, and what varied ways you can go about circumventing the protection current consoles have on them, and failed miserably.

Local community forums here plays the neutral card, claiming that they are not responsible if their denizens decides to talk up piracy, although they do draw the line when it comes to posting torrents/rapidshare links to these game ISOs. But to me, to allow even the discussion about these things to take place and pretend neutrality is the same as being an accomplice. These folks are inadvertantly provided a place to discuss, congregate, and pool their resources on where and what to do in regard to piracy, easily via private messages, or off-site like IM and such.

Only of recent the government here had been trying to cleanse this , with the once-in-a-year raid in malls to show that they are doing their job eradicating this epidemic. Yes, it is an epidemic here, and yes, these pirated products are brazenly sold in broad daylight in public, not under the counter, behind secluded back rooms. And yes, our malls are as good, or better than malls like what you have in America. That is how daring these pirates are, and how the piracy culture had seeped into the Malaysian mindset, that to these folks, it is considered okay, hell, even encouraged to do so, and original supporters gets laughed and finger-pointed in derision at.

It's not uncommon at one time to see foreigners frequenting out malls to get these pirated copies or bringing their consoles to be modded to be brought back to their home country.

Thankfully, there are a few of us who kept the torch burning when it comes to lighting this hour of darkness. Xbox Live, although not officially available here , are among our means of enjoying each other's company while playing online, as well as the PSN too. Sadly though, thanks to our crappy broadband connection, the only folks we could play with are those tainted by piracy, and it can be pretty annoying listening to these assholes bragging their ways.

Im proud and honored to be one of the Xbox Ambassador during their call for one for the E3, i had a great time playing and easing new players into the ways of Live and generally having fun playing online with each other. Cant say i had much experience playing with players across the Pacific, i sure like to try, but the local online connection here is making sure we're stuck with our pirate brethren.

First post in NeoGAF here, mostly i had been lurking, and reading posts here. NeoGAF had been my source of information when it comes to games, and things happening Stateside. It has been my source of envy as well, im afraid, that the gaming scene here is a good, clean and generally of a nurturing kind. Sigh.....i wish things were more like here back in Malaysia.

P/s: Sorry for the lengthy post guys, in short it sucks to be an original supporter here, but the few of us here are not giving up!
 
Deacan said:
Liverpool, nuff said'
What he said. Every scally worth their Income Support here either wants or already has an R4, for example. "Rife" really is not the word; more like "epidemic".

No wonder the local shops (not just games shops, either) are going down the tubes. I would laugh, but it's too sad to see it with your own eyes.
 
Here in Colombia owning original games is directly related to how much of a fucking retard you are, even the sellers charge you more when they know you prefer to pay for original stuff.

Although I gotta say, the console prices are pretty low, the Wii costs like $320.
 
Mexico:

Lots of piracy, but also lots of original games, the industry is pretty big right here, specially the last 2 or 3 years.

Piracy is still more than 50%, but original game pricing has gotten a lot better (55 USD)
 
North of Toronto
Pacific Mall is 20 minutes from my house in Markham....if you ever want anything modded or pirated, they'll have it

So I guess its pretty widespread in the GTA but I dunno
 
Firestorm said:
Well, for my age group it's just a given. I mean, our profs seem to assume we just happen to have $1000+ worth of Adobe products for all our courses. Same with wonderful $5k+ 3D Modelling programs.

Damn straight. And I find it hard to believe that programs like Photoshop are worth $600 when you can get stuff like the GIMP for free. Same with mediocre DS games selling for the price of a Wii game.
 
BigJonsson said:
North of Toronto
Pacific Mall is 20 minutes from my house in Markham....if you ever want anything modded or pirated, they'll have it

So I guess its pretty widespread in the GTA but I dunno

why do you have a pacific mall if you're closer to the atlantic.
 
TemplaerDude said:
why do you have a pacific mall if you're closer to the atlantic.

I always thought that too. Only explanation I can think of is that it's Asian dominated... It's their version of our Crystal Mall near Metrotown.
 
R4 for the DS is pretty much the norm in Toronto. PSP firmware hacks and downloaded games too. Don't know anyone that has modded a ps3 or even talked bout modding it. guess they dotn want to mess up their 500+ console.
 
DiddyBop said:
R4 for the DS is pretty much the norm in Toronto. PSP firmware hacks and downloaded games too. Don't know anyone that has modded a ps3 or even talked bout modding it. guess they dotn want to mess up their 500+ console.
Right now it's not possible to mod a PS3.
 
I don't know if it's the case everywhere in France but in Paris half of DS owners have a supercard or something to play downloaded games.
Also modchips are legal here so you can go in a lot of shops in Paris and ask for one.
PS2 and Xbox are IMO the top pirated consoles in France followed by PSP and then DS.
Xbox 360 is a bit more difficult but it starts to be the case (same for Wii).
No PS3 piracy (or very few people).

Gameboy and PS1 don't count because there almost all modified :lol

I used to have modified PS2 and xbox but i've gived them to my little brother (wich doesn't really have money : high school)

I buy all my games but i have a job plus i realised that piracy was only making me playing more shitty games.
I prefer to pay the games i like the most so i can support the devs i like and think about what i must buy first.
 
i think one of the reason the original playstation and spilling onto the ps2 aswell, was so successful is because it was pirated everwhere in uk. The ps2 wasnt half as bad, i just remember everyone buying a ps2 just for gta3 after they played it the first time.
 
Honduras (Central America):

A lOT OF PIRACY HERE, I have a ps2 / Wii / DS / Gamer PC. Some friend of mine always see me like an idiot becuase I buy original games, while everybody have therir PS2 / Xbox 360 modded... It's truly sad when you see their pirate catalog and when they see mine they always want to steal from me.... -.-

The good thing is my friends with 360 were banned from xbox live arcade lol, days later they got the 3 red rings of death... that was sooooo great....
 
Strafebogey said:
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

P/s: Sorry for the lengthy post guys, in short it sucks to be an original supporter here, but the few of us here are not giving up!

This is true for my home country, Brunei as well. it sickens me. The piracy business is lucrative there and the pirates are filthy rich. The country is a small country so maybe market value doesn't matter. but it sickens me to see these pirates driving their porche's and ferraris (they are that rich!!!) around the city. Its money from stealing. there are copyright laws but they are not being inforced because none of the major companies and publishers seems to care about it.

If you want original games, you'd have to pay for double from them. damn pirates.

I've done my bit on trying to not support piracy by importing my games and living in New Zealand. piracy basically doesn't exist here unless you had a modded PS2 or Xbox360 from SEA and brought them over.

My game library here are all originals. so far the PS3 is safe from the pirates. but how long will that last?
 
There are more than 1 million PS2 here in Brazil.

If 1% of then has runned an original game I would be impressed.

In Brazilian foruns people say "X360 is the best" (much more because it runs piracy than because its games). When the Mass Ban occoured last year, it was like a death day for 99% of then.

I also used to use piracy on PS1 and PS2, but now, with the PS3 I'm using only original (o rly?) and I do not want to change this. If I want to pay less for a game I buy a PSN Game...

Off course, the piracy here is like this because our poverty, and the prices X360 + 3 games (PGR3, kameo, one another I forgot) = more than U$1300, PS3 is sold at about U$1500...

A few X360 games have good prices, such as DOA4 wich is U$60, but 99$ of the games sold here cost at least 2 times the price in USA.

Now I'm buying games on the internet to avoid high prices, but the taxes for them here are fucking high (price + shipping + 72% Taxes)...

Sorry for the bad english :D
 
Back during the Xbox days it was crazy here. You could get your Xbox modded very easily and they'd preinstall a 120GB HDD (big at the time) with all the emulators loaded with every SNES game, etc. They stopped short of installing actual Xbox games on there but still...

Now you can get places to install custom firmware on PSPs fairly easily and if you know where to look you can get a Wii modded, but the only place I know that does this stuff now won't do 360s because that's clearly a piracy thing. I guess they try to take the moral high ground by only doing it to consoles where the mod offers homebrew/import opportunities, and I actually remember them doing PS1 chips that were specifically import-only back in the day.

On the whole games piracy isn't prominent here at all. I know it goes on because I see people asking how to run ISOs on their PSPs (they usually get told where to stick it), but it's nowhere near DVD piracy which is the big deal now. Quite often you'll get someone touting pirated DVDs quite openly in pubs, and people are moronic enough to buy them.
 
Threads like this makes me wish that the PS3 were region locked. I wish Sony, Nintendo and MS could take ALL the pirates to court and sue them for all there worth. I hope Sony can start banning People who pirates from PSN like MS did with XBL.
 
Im more than happy to help towards that cause. Trust me, i've tried the rationalizing way, and even come up with ways to lessen the impact of getting originals and staying that way for first timers, by setting up a trade/secondhand market so that the holes on their wallet wont be that obvious. But the lure of piracy is too great....

As for Sony or other of these gaming entities to take action, it can still be dictated by the laws of the localised region. Copyright laws here in Malaysia are basically there "for the sake of" being there only. Zero implementations, and it's there purely as a face-saving measure. Sad really, when the "cats are too fat to hunt, the mices are running around the house freely doing things as they saw fit". And these "mices" are epidemic in proportion.
 
Kasumi1970 said:
Threads like this makes me wish that the PS3 were region locked.
What are you talking about??? Sony got it exactly right; with no region lock and homebrew capabilities, they reduced to 0 the excuses for modding the PS3.
 
Brazilian GAF crew represent! :D

As others said, piracy is pretty much the rule here, though there's a certain movement in the 360 community to start buying legitimate copies (the whole banning fiasco, 3rl fear and the fact that MS started publishing their games locally at non-retarded prices contributed a lot to it).

I can't even rent originals here, I called the local game store and they laughed when I asked if their games ran on unmodded boxes. How many times I got called a sucker for spending R$150,00 ($85,00) on a new game... Well, who's laughing now bitches, I can still play Halo 3 and GeoW online :lol

But I'll be the first to admit that the prices here are completely out of whack, and even with a good paying job it's sometimes hard to justify the amount of money I spend on games. For an average 15 year old brazilian kid it would be pretty much impossible to be a gamer without piracy.
 
I don't get you people that are saying things like

'piracy is so bad urrgh it's horrible here, really terrible'

it sounds like you are personally offended by it. Does anyone actually think it was worse than it was 20 years ago? I know I was playing pirated stuff then, waiting 30 minutes for a shitty copied tape to load (or give a load error) and I know that I definately don't do it anymore cause thats what everybody pretends now.

The companies always get the money as business evolves. A big fat shrug to anyone that gets offended by piracy.
 
I seem to be the only one who doesn't have an R4 for their DS in my computer science course.
I also seem to be the only one who plays decent games on the DS.
 
I'll vouch for Malaysia - you get pretty much trip over a rock and find someone who'll sell you pirated games.

In Melbourne, you can find such as computer swap meets on Sunday (rebadged under new name) - they're frequently sold as 'demos'. Yes, 'demos'.
 
Here in the UK it's not too bad (I have seen a few people with DS Flash cards but not too many)

Emulation is massive though! (I was a lone soldier against the forces of piracy back in my old school days!)

No idea what impact the VC has had on it though! (Though most people seem to go for legit games do I would imagine that it would make a good impact!)
 
catfish said:
I don't get you people that are saying things like

'piracy is so bad urrgh it's horrible here, really terrible'

it sounds like you are personally offended by it. Does anyone actually think it was worse than it was 20 years ago? I know I was playing pirated stuff then, waiting 30 minutes for a shitty copied tape to load (or give a load error) and I know that I definately don't do it anymore cause thats what everybody pretends now.

The companies always get the money as business evolves. A big fat shrug to anyone that gets offended by piracy.
Where do you think that money is going when you buy pirated shit? Nobody ever bothers to think about that.

A counterfeit t-shirt ring running outside the World Trade Center funded the first Al-Qaeda bombing of the WTC in 1993.

You give money to shady people and they are going to use that money to do shitty things.
 
Brak said:
Where do you think that money is going when you buy pirated shit? Nobody ever bothers to think about that.

A counterfeit t-shirt ring running outside the World Trade Center funded the first Al-Qaeda bombing of the WTC in 1993.

You give money to shady people and they are going to use that money to do shitty things.

I think that's a bit too dramatic, considering that these days most people just download the torrents and burn them at home.

Unless you're saying Verbatim funds terrorism :lol
 
I don't think I know anyone who pirates console games, or indulges in mod chips/firmware flashses etc. Saying that I don't think I know anyone who bought RGB cables for their PS2, they are still on composite. A friend laughed at me when I suggested that an RGB cable is worth the money for the 360; "its just a cable, what difference can it make". Ahh, welcome to the world of the mass market eh?

PC games....well that's something completely different. The word "Bit" and "Torrent" come to mind.
 
Saitou said:
In Argentina, piracy is the rule and not the exception.

My friends always look at me funny cause I buy original games. Even game shop clerks look at me funny when I order original games.

Then again, the PS3 costs ~2000USD and the Wii ~1333USD. Yeah, I know..

That sounds just like my country, Indonesia. With the exception of we got PS3 and Wii at the slightly above normal price. Thankfully I have some friends living abroad, so I can always ask them whenever I want to buy games.

And I encountered a lot of this situation :

Me : "Do you have a copy of [original DS game] ?
Clerk : "Yes we do. What kind of card are you using?"
Me : "Eh...no...the original one."
Clerk : "Original? Dude, don't you know already? You can just download the games! You should buy Supercard/R4/blahblah" and the clerk goes on saying that I'm an idiot for paying $30 for a DS game.

Happens in every store.
 
catfish said:
I don't get you people that are saying things like

'piracy is so bad urrgh it's horrible here, really terrible'

it sounds like you are personally offended by it. Does anyone actually think it was worse than it was 20 years ago? I know I was playing pirated stuff then, waiting 30 minutes for a shitty copied tape to load (or give a load error) and I know that I definately don't do it anymore cause thats what everybody pretends now.

The companies always get the money as business evolves. A big fat shrug to anyone that gets offended by piracy.
I'm offended, but not why you think I am.

I'm offended because the pirates think I'm the problem.

I'm offended by how they completely refuse to comprehend why someone would want to give monetary support to a company.

I'm offended by being treated like a retard because I like to have original games.
 
Serbia, Europe

Wii - 350 euros with modchip
Xbox360 - 450 - flashed
Ps3 - 750 euros

Original games cost from 50 - 70 euros

Pirated games cost from 2 - 5 euros

Average monthly pay 300 euros
 
I am from Spain, and I am yet to decide which annoys me more, if the pirates that thinks that I am a retard for buying original software, or the "holier than thou" attitude of the non pirates. Ugh. Spaniards love to takes sides and use their position on an issue in order to feel superior to the another opposing group, even when it comes to videogames.
 
ith3r said:
I think that's a bit too dramatic, considering that these days most people just download the torrents and burn them at home.

Unless you're saying Verbatim funds terrorism :lol
I was mainly replying to the idea that piracy is inherently victimless, and that isn't true.
 
Melbourne is like, the HUB of Piracy in the world (outside of probably China).

If you can build it, we can mod it down here.

Piracy CREATED the Sony brand in Australia, and the 360 is experiencing some sales from it.

The Dreamcast did it's best business down here just before the death knell when people found out you could play burnt games without a mod chip. I was working at EB at the time and we sold tonnes of Dreamcasts then.

Point being, piracy is big down here. big big.
 
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