family_guy
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Virtua Fighter 4 Evo.
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Game that lead their class by a wide margin
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People can GTFO with Mario Kart series. Just because it's the most popular doesn't make it the best. Modnation Racer's was one of the best kart racers of all time. The Sega Allstars racing series is amazing. Both did some innovating things that were different and better than Mario Kart.
Also, NBA 2K series is the obvious example for this thread.
Also, NBA 2K series is the obvious example for this thread.
ArkhamFantasy
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3D Mario Games and Witcher 3 for sure.
Maaaaaardy
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Grand Theft Auto is essentially untouched in it's genre.
Borderlands.
Borderlands.
snoopeasystreet
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The Jackbox for party games. That thing is gold.
America's Army 2 was way better.
Weltall Zero
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Typically this is accomplished by being pretty much the only one in your genre:
- Katamari Damacy is the king of the rolling up stuff genre.
- FTL is the best in its genre (spaceship roguelite with direct crew control).
A really interesting effect is that, often, the genres a seminal game creates is so unexplored that it's hard to make another that doesn't either seem like a ripoff or breaks something crucial. It's not until time goes on and slow exploration of the genre maps enough degrees of freedom that it starts feeling like developers can truly exercise creativeness. I still remember when First Person Shooters were called Doom-likes, and until relatively recently, MOBAs were called DOTAs.
Such as?
- Katamari Damacy is the king of the rolling up stuff genre.
- FTL is the best in its genre (spaceship roguelite with direct crew control).
A really interesting effect is that, often, the genres a seminal game creates is so unexplored that it's hard to make another that doesn't either seem like a ripoff or breaks something crucial. It's not until time goes on and slow exploration of the genre maps enough degrees of freedom that it starts feeling like developers can truly exercise creativeness. I still remember when First Person Shooters were called Doom-likes, and until relatively recently, MOBAs were called DOTAs.
Such as?
People will hate me, however I'd stick the online multiplayer for the halo games on this list for FPS shooters (on console at least, and not including halo 4). Its the fact that halo can reward skilful players, you may not have shot first but you can still win whereas other games such as COD are far more who shoots first wins.
I've played a variety of console multiplayer games, but nothing comes close.
I've played a variety of console multiplayer games, but nothing comes close.
johancruijff
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if you mean Planescape Torment, they're not the same genre
I'll have to say Super Meat Boy for 2D platformers since it gave the genre a much needed overhaul (to my knowledge) and discarded all the poorly-aged legacy features like lives, health, multitudes of trivial pickups (coins, rings, diaminds, or whatever), water levels (!!), and pace-breaking death sequences.
Regarding Portal, I love the game, but I don't think it's that far ahead of the competition in the first-person puzzle genre. Arguably, The Talos Principle has equally good mechanics and puzzles although the presentation and pacing are lackluster (lack of concrete story to drive the game, too slow progress, lack of variety).
Regarding Portal, I love the game, but I don't think it's that far ahead of the competition in the first-person puzzle genre. Arguably, The Talos Principle has equally good mechanics and puzzles although the presentation and pacing are lackluster (lack of concrete story to drive the game, too slow progress, lack of variety).
Ballthyrm
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Saying that Witcher III is on a league of his own is kind of forgetting a lot of RPGs. Like the Mass Effect series, everything by Obsidian & the Elder Scrolls series.
Basically every game where they are not alone on their genre, it is really really difficult to find a "wide" margin. Maybe Mario in 3D platformer, Shadow of the colossus, the Sims, anyway you won't find a lot of game that fits.
- Same with Mario Kart, sonic all-star racing transformed is really good.
- Mario 2D , there is the rayman Ubi-art games that are on par, spelunky anyone ?
- WipeOut, WTF ? the F-zero GX/AX are clearly better IMHO.
- Rocket League is a party game and there is a lot of good ones, towerfall & overcooked just recently.
- For Minecraft there is ARK, don't starve or even rust.
Basically every game where they are not alone on their genre, it is really really difficult to find a "wide" margin. Maybe Mario in 3D platformer, Shadow of the colossus, the Sims, anyway you won't find a lot of game that fits.
Sportbilly
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Football Manager- even though it's taken quite a dip in quality over the last few years, I'm not sure there are actually any other football management games at the moment.
Civ 4/5 in 4x- Endless Legend probably comes closest, but it's still quite a way behind.
Civ 4/5 in 4x- Endless Legend probably comes closest, but it's still quite a way behind.
nailbombxx
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this must be bait
I'll agree to this. Game needs to be ported somewhere modern.
Pushmo
iconoclast
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Ninja Gaiden II. Survival mode alone puts it a tier above any other action game.
Aren't you mostly pulling blocks there?
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This. I can't speak towards 4/5 but 2/3 were/are unmatched in my opinion in this regard. I love CoD (at times) but hate what it's done to the FPS genre and gaming in general.
Isn't the point of the thread the fact that they are humungously more enjoyable and rewarding than any of those other games and so basically defines the pinnacle of the genre? And they are far more deviously designed just in terms of world exploration and it revealing itself and new paths to you. The other games that maybe share the genre are so crap I've never enjoyed any game like it besides Bloodborne.
WoW. As someone mentioned earlier, even at it's worst it was still the best MMO on the market for players seeking a class-leading PvE experience.
Oh boy...
Oh boy...
You're right, but oh boy...
Audioboxer
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This. I have no idea why others struggle so badly to create a 3D platformer oozing with love, craft and care. I mean it is Mario and it is Nintendo, the most refined series and one of the best developers. Still though, so many 3D platformers these days are just junk. Ratchet is fairly good but still doesn't reach the heights of 3D Mario.
Also I'd toss in TW3 versus other open world action RPGs. It really is the pinacle of western RPG making. I love my Eurojank (Gothic/Risen) but TW3 is in no way jank.
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Kaji AF16
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-Forza Motorsport 6 for circuit racing.
-Forza Horizon 2 (soon to be 3?) for open world racing.
-Killer Instinct 2013 for fighting games.
-The Witcher 3 + expansions for RPGs.
They are probably not the best in each category (graphics, etc.), but I think that as complete experiences they surpass everything else in their respective genres.
-Forza Horizon 2 (soon to be 3?) for open world racing.
-Killer Instinct 2013 for fighting games.
-The Witcher 3 + expansions for RPGs.
They are probably not the best in each category (graphics, etc.), but I think that as complete experiences they surpass everything else in their respective genres.
Jim_Cacher
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3D Mario among 3D platformers
Zelda among action adventure games
GTA among open world games with modern setting
Zelda among action adventure games
GTA among open world games with modern setting
walking fiend
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Rhythm Games: Elite Beat Agents, Nintendo Rhythm Series, Bit Trip series, are all exceptionally great games.
Diablo (the original) is also better than D2. Though they both are noticeably better than any other major game in the genre that I have played (which is most of them).
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Let's see if I can come up with anything interesting:
Undying: dual wielding 1st person shooter
Metroid Prime: 1st person adventure game
Freespace 2: Space simulation
SW Rogue Squadron II: Space fighter
IL-2 Sturmovic: Fighter Simulator
Wii Sports Resorts: Motion controlled sports
Wizardry 6: Dungeon Crawler
Vampire Masquerade - Bloodliness: 1st person RPG (I would say it topples even Deus Ex, eventhough Deus Ex is a better game overall)
I have only played MH3, but even based on that, I can support the vote for Monster Hunter as being very unique.
Shpeshal Nick
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Titanfall >>>>>>>>>>>> All other multiplayer shooters
royox
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I would put Splinter Cell there. They focus much more in espionage than MGS games.
GeordieMark
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Civ 5 is way better than its closest alternatives in my opinion.
walking fiend
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They are not as good as MGS games though
piratethingy
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NBA 2K is a full priced game with free-to-play micro transactions that hasn't evolved in ages because it has absolutely no competition.
I'd agree it technically answers the question, but not by its own merits.
(ps no i don't hate 2k, i'm way over 1k hours for the last three entries.
This for sure. The chasm is massive.
royox
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They are not as good as MGS games though
But they are better at the "spionage stuff". I mean, of course if I have to choose "wich game I like more" I will say MGS but if we are talking about "which ones are better at being espionage games" I have to say Splinter Cell.
TheRedSnifit
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I'd say New Vegas is at least as good. It's much jankier, but the actual RPG aspects are unmatched in 3D games.
STALKER is also the best old-world FPS by far.
His Majesty
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They are not as good as MGS games though
I enjoyed Blacklist a lot more than MGS V.
The pretenders seem to think that if you make a Monster Hunter game with generic mashy shit combat, generic anime styling, and remove or tone down the crafting/gathering elements you have a guaranteed hit. Then they get crushed by MH over and over. Turns out the game journalists and casuals crying about that stuff for years maybe didn't know what they were talking about.
It's honestly crazy how badly WoW stomps its competition, and after years of games like Warhammer Online going under it seems like big western MMOs either stopped existing or are trying to come at it from other (F2P) angles. The only reason to go to another game is that you're just fucking sick of WoW (understandable). FF14 came the closest for me but even that was lacking a lot of basic stuff that WoW had at launch...the PVP in particular was utterly laughable. The world isn't very open at all (might be the PS3's fault). Then you have korean MMOs which might be pretty and have cool combat systems but then you get to the RNG-based endgame and uuuugh.
Even the ones that come close are years behind on features Blizzard implemented to get around the problems of a really old MMORPG. Their cross-server fuckery is both horrifying and fascinating at the same time. But I guess having no sense of community beats being on a completely dead, empty server.
It's honestly crazy how badly WoW stomps its competition, and after years of games like Warhammer Online going under it seems like big western MMOs either stopped existing or are trying to come at it from other (F2P) angles. The only reason to go to another game is that you're just fucking sick of WoW (understandable). FF14 came the closest for me but even that was lacking a lot of basic stuff that WoW had at launch...the PVP in particular was utterly laughable. The world isn't very open at all (might be the PS3's fault). Then you have korean MMOs which might be pretty and have cool combat systems but then you get to the RNG-based endgame and uuuugh.
Even the ones that come close are years behind on features Blizzard implemented to get around the problems of a really old MMORPG. Their cross-server fuckery is both horrifying and fascinating at the same time. But I guess having no sense of community beats being on a completely dead, empty server.
royox
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You can compare the WoW situation with COD. It's the "popular" of its genre but not necessarily "the best". WoW gets A LOT from other MMO's and does a LOT of things bad (13 months withouth patch contents until they released the expansion...on a subscription based game? That's madness). But if their fanbase its ok with that there's nothing we can do, right?
Bloodborne for ARPGs.
MGS for stealth.
Super Mario Galaxy for 3D platformers.
SMT games for turn-based JRPGs.
DJMAX Portable for handheld rhythm games.
A Chair in a Room for VR horror.
The Witness for puzzle games.
Parasite Eve 2 for survival horror RPGs.
GTA V for open world sandbox games.
Dino Crisis 2 for games featuring dinosaurs.
Shadow of The Colossus for artsy fartsy action adventure games.
MGS for stealth.
Super Mario Galaxy for 3D platformers.
SMT games for turn-based JRPGs.
DJMAX Portable for handheld rhythm games.
A Chair in a Room for VR horror.
The Witness for puzzle games.
Parasite Eve 2 for survival horror RPGs.
GTA V for open world sandbox games.
Dino Crisis 2 for games featuring dinosaurs.
Shadow of The Colossus for artsy fartsy action adventure games.
Garrett Hawke
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People stating Witcher 3 as "best role playing game" when it's capacity for role playing is actually quite limited... Mess.
KeyChainDude
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Shadow of the Colossus for it's uniqueness. Journey is probably on a league of it's own too, whatever subgenre you include it in.
But my point is there still isn't a game out there that's doing it better. It's not CoD vs other shooters, it's Intel vs AMD. Name one that's on par with it as a complete package, as I said FF14 was the closest I've played and was still way behind on some VERY basic stuff.
There's tons of people who would love to jump ship from WoW, everyone gets sick of any game eventually, but there's no true substitute. It's why you see all these upstarts with impressive numbers for 1-2 months that fall off a cliff when people go back to their old standard. I see this firsthand when I get dragged into all kinds of weird MMOs by my friends, recently Black Desert.
trugs26
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Mario seems to dominate 3D platformers. And 2D to an extent too.
Same with Mario Kart. Though I occasionally see people prefer other kart games, but it often feels like they're trying to be contrary, since Mario Kart is mechanically so much better than the competition (Sonic, Crash, Mod Nation).
Same with Mario Kart. Though I occasionally see people prefer other kart games, but it often feels like they're trying to be contrary, since Mario Kart is mechanically so much better than the competition (Sonic, Crash, Mod Nation).