MS needs to keep their exclusives quality as high as possible
So where does this fear that MS will increase its gamepass price at enormous heights if they see similar success comes from ?
Netflix has already, what, 150-200 million subscribers worldwide and its monthly price is still very low while providing more and more (and more expensive) exclusive content
Long term plan...The 15 million subscribers are not paying $15 a month though are they.
Again, Long term plan...Even Netflix hasn't hit that mark yet and it has taken them well over a decade to do so.
Sony’s $70 price increase shows nothing last forever. If Gamepass price increases over the years it has to show that the value is still there. If not people will leave.
The price increase is a factor because we're talking about games here. I mean, if Microsoft can keep the price & value aligned then that's good. Pointing to Netflix doesn't help your case. Netflix subscription used to be half of what it is today and we're just talking about video content.
Is that really Sony's price increase of $70? Games that are $59.99 on Xbox S/X are also $59.99 on the PS5. Games that are $69.99 on PS5 are also $69.99 on Xbox. I know overseas this is no longer true but you quoted $70 so I assume you're here in the states.
The 'concern' is well founded in that Netflix has MASSIVE debt, now MS can afford to pay for lots of content for a long time.....I wanted to make this thread because I see many people «concerned», usually not gamepass users, that once gamepass gains more. users , MS will increase its price. They bring up Netflix as an example of the terrible gaming future ahead of us.
The thing is that Netflix has been available in my country for 4 years , give or take. During these 4 years Netflix has provided a ton of new Original content, big budget movies with the biggest stars, a gazillion new expensive tv shows and more. The increase in price from the day it arrived until now has been 1 ( ONE) euro per month. Sony just announced a 10€ increase in its games , pricing them 80€ (almost 100$) .
Netflix has already, what, 150-200 million subscribers worldwide and its monthly price is still very low while providing more and more (and more expensive) exclusive content. So where does this fear that MS will increase its gamepass price at enormous heights if they see similar success comes from ?
Yes, true... they have peers like Disney and HBO and Amazon Prime.Netflix keeps the price low because of.....get this....competition.
Glas you can see into the future.Of course they will increase the price of Game Pass in due time. But never more than what people is considering to be good value for money.
How are people to get Netflix for free every month? By creating new emails? I thought you can only use a credit card once for a trial.Man those people using the free month of netflix over and over must be sinking the company. Has to be 100 million of em.
You can! Just buy them, you can use cash or credit card to buy games. I thought this was well understood, you can exchange money for goods and services.I. Want. To. Own. My. Games.
Glas you can see into the future.
Comedy gold.
You can! Just buy them, you can use cash or credit card to buy games. I thought this was well understood, you can exchange money for goods and services.
Sony 1st party games are $70, those aren’t on anything else.
Microsoft's first party games most likely will be $69.99 as well (unless you subscribe to Gamepass, where you have the subscription fee). If Microsoft discounts their first-party titles right now, to say $49.99, you can expect the new prices to be $59.99. Is there any indication of that not being the case?
If the queen had balls she be the king...
MS have giving no indication that they will raise prices like sony nor is it likely when game pass is a thing
Gamepass doesn't eliminate what the actual selling cost of a game is. The price going up isn't specific to Sony. Third-parties are raising the price too. If you subscribe to GP, that's your thing but if you wanted to buy it at release, what is that cost going to be? Everything points to it being $69.99. Otherwise, no game on Xbox S S/X should cost $69.99, but that is not the case. Saying or attributing it to Sony alone is being disingenuous.
I explained it right there in the post.
15 million subs @ $14.99 = around $225 million
Rapid increase in sub numbers to say 20 million over the next 6 months (conservative estimate) brings it to around $300 million. Keep scaling that up to the 100s of millions of subs and those returns soon become sustainable. 200 million subs @ 14.99 is just shy of $3 billion (That's nearly a Zenimax every two months)
If they increase the cost of the sub too rapidly then that growth in subs will not be as fast and could even take a downturn. MS will want the growth in the service to come from the number of monthly subs, not from increases in the monthly price.
Who knows, not me but I am happy for them to carry on doing what they are doing. Maybe bookmark and come back in say 5 years and we can see where they are at?So do you think MS will cross that 100mil?
I’m gonna say no!
Nah we need to discuss it while Sony still exist, so it's fine.this thread is premature by about 7 years
everything but them actually saying they are raising the prices you mean right? MS isn’t going to release a game on Steam and it be cheaper then the version on Xbox. We will see if that $70 makes of off console to pc, untill then I doubt MS will increase prices.
Ultimately this will go to €20 and month which is €240 a year.
If you really care about having a library of games you don't use gamepass to begin with, you buy games instead.Looking forward to never being able to unsubscribe because my whole library is tied to a subscription
I don't get the agenda of this weird fear mongering. Especially by well know Sony fanatics who have zero interest in the service in the first place.The 'concern' is well founded in that Netflix has MASSIVE debt, now MS can afford to pay for lots of content for a long time.....
But it would be naive to expect that they don't want to see a good return on investment within a reasonable timeframe.
The obvious plan from my perspective is that they will keep hardware going in the short term.... this generation at least.... with maybe a streaming box in the future.
Once they have enough people on board, they can stop supporting physical media and just do streaming subscriptions. Which fits better with the company as a whole... software / service business.
Then people are 'locked-in' and have no other option but to pay whatever they ask.... all services, friends lists, saves etc etc are behind a permanent paywall forever and ownership is gone. (Prices would obviously then go up)
Microsoft will get its money back. This is a certainty of the universe as inevitable as the sun coming up every morning.
They may get their money back raising the price of subscription or keeping the price but lowering the value of the content they offer but they'll get their money back.
I wanted to make this thread because I see many people «concerned», usually not gamepass users, that once gamepass gains more. users , MS will increase its price. They bring up Netflix as an example of the terrible gaming future ahead of us.
The thing is that Netflix has been available in my country for 4 years , give or take. During these 4 years Netflix has provided a ton of new Original content, big budget movies with the biggest stars, a gazillion new expensive tv shows and more. The increase in price from the day it arrived until now has been 1 ( ONE) euro per month. Sony just announced a 10€ increase in its games , pricing them 80€ (almost 100$) .
Netflix has already, what, 150-200 million subscribers worldwide and its monthly price is still very low while providing more and more (and more expensive) exclusive content. So where does this fear that MS will increase its gamepass price at enormous heights if they see similar success comes from ?
Ah, the old 'there are billions of mobile users' argument again. This is just pure wishful thinking.Long term plan...
Once people get hooked with the free taster they'll be quite likely to carry on subscribing at full price.
Again, Long term plan...
Playstation sold over 100 million consoles, Xbox sold somewhere around half that give or take 10 mill. PC gamers number in their 100s of millions, mobile users in their billions. The potential market is there to grow way beyond a couple of hundred million subscribers if they can keep encouraging enough people in. You are really thinking too short term here. Look at what Amazon did with Prime, first it was free delivery then they bolted on books, movies, music and in the future probably games. Look at how Apple managed to grow from iTunes to the behemoth that is the App store by capitalising on their current position and then diversifying into other potential demographics. What if in a decade or so MS rebrand it to Xbox Premium and include other things into it to increase their market penetration? It's really not that hard to see why MS are doing this and where it could potentially take them. There is enough evidence out there with what other large corporations have done to increase their reach to see what Microsoft are trying to do. Right now Gamepass is the most important consumer subscription that Microsoft have, do you really think that the rest of the company is not looking at that and thinking about the possibilities?
And what percentage of smart phone users worldwide might be interested in Xcloud? Even if its just 1% then thats about 30 million. How about people who game on PC, lets add just 1% of those people to Gamepass for the time being, thats another 10 million, how about people who might want to stream through Xcloud on bigger screens than phones such as tablets or low powered laptops or TVs? Can you see how once you move away from just targeting people on consoles then the potential customer base goes up in orders of magnitude?Ah, the old 'there are billions of mobile users' argument again. This is just pure wishful thinking.
Go look at the active player counts for mobile games. Games that reach the levels you're hypothesising for Game Pass are very rare events. But these are games that go viral and don't require you to pay a single penny to download, or play.
There's a giant leap between people clambering to play a free title for a quick fix vs. getting them to pay $15+ per month.
Do you really think the 50 year old women filling their free time with Candy Crush are going to jump at the chance to play Halo for $15 a month?