Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos

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Oh man I stepped away for a few hours and this could not have gone any better.

This lady who is a 'corporate sponsored game critic' (we don't use game journalist for these people by default anymore) is trying to erase the things that only helped people derive their own opinions on the subject (articles hyping up Tomb Raider while having worked for SE).

Does she really think this helps?


These actions like the threat of lawsuit, actions that either directly or indirectly cost a writer a paying job only look like admissions of guilt.


Are we unfairly focusing on this person? ...... maybe, but when an opinion piece that made no direct assertions is threatened with legal action and costs someone a job .... well you are going to be a target.
 
He admitted his mistake, agreed it was shady and is giving a ps3 away



which makes her tantrum look all the worse
This is just a good PR move on his part. How would it look if he kept it now? I don't believe for a second he truly cares that what he did was wrong. He's just sorry it blew up on his face.
 
To be fair, a lot of people here make the same mistake of referring to "NeoGAF" as a singular entity (or worse: the dreaded "GAF hive mind"). This comes up all of the time in various political threads. It's silly when games writers do it and it's silly when people here do it.
I've not seen much of that on the gaming forum side of GAF. It comes up from Journos constantly. Especially lately in light of all the recent hullabaloo's.

We are not Reddit. We have discussion here. Gaf threads are made up of contrasting option and debate. That's why it's good! Save that cliquey hivemind junk for a lesser forum.
 
I don't think most of the video game writers out there to present or think of themselves as being investigative jounalists. Most podcasts, including Justin McElroy's, revel and laugh in the fact that they are grown adults getting paid to talk about video games.
I'd agree, the majority don't project themselves as investigative journalists, but their employment is representation of a company. If that company lacks strict guidelines to preserve objectivity, they shouldn't be surprised when integrity is openly challenged.

I don't think writers need to hide their love or enjoyment of video games, it only matters if they're speaking from an objective viewpoint of their employer or not.
 
This is just a good PR move on his part. How would it look if he kept it now? I don't believe for a second he truly cares that what he did was wrong. He's just sorry it blew up on his face.
Nah, Dave is good people. Good people make mistakes too. When pointed out to him, he reacted defensively like most humans do but when tempered heads cooled a little he admitted his mistake.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
 
Very sad state of affairs here, folks. I'm disgusted the Florence lost a source of income over this and saddened that Wainwright may very well have done the same thing if there's any justice in these media outlets.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
If we don't grab the pitchforks, things will never change.

At the very worst, "journalists" will at least pretend not to do these things anymore, which is a step up.
 
Review the products she consulted on. No proof she consulted on that Tomb Raider.

Regardless, she shouldn't have reviewed a single Square Enix game
I don't see a problem with it as long as you disclose that you have consulted with SE before. Then if people think you are biased they can evaluate the review accordingly.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
Um, no?

Also no one is really that mad, people are sorta in awe at this moment. Telling people to stop being passionate never works, this thread will get more pages and posts long after you've told people to calm down.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
This is a forum about games, if people being interested or worked up over something that has to do with gaming annoys you then why come to a gaming forum?

Also whether directly or indirectly she has cost a respected member of the gaming community a paying job.

How exactly has she been punished? ............ people pointing out things she has done or is trying to cover / delete?


Seems you maybe need to take some of your own advice, stop getting so mad and take a walk outside.
 
Um, no?

Also no one is really that mad, people are sorta in awe at this moment. Telling people to stop being passionate never works, this thread will get more pages and posts long after you've told people to calm down.
You would describe yourself as passionate about this? Would anyone other than the people directly involved?
 
You don't believe that going to those events can even subconsciously shape your experience with a game. They don't spend that money to fly everyone to Hawaii to just make their employees happy. It is a conscious move that Capcom makes to put you in a good mood. They want you to become buddies with their PR people, because they know that people can be influenced by not wanting to let down their friend's game or being in Hawaii puts members of the press in a better mood.

Do you ever think about these things when you go to these events? These junkets are performed to influence opinion leaders. The environmental and social pressures applied at these events are a conscious investment made by the Marketing departments of these publishers. They do it because they know know press members are influenced by these gifts.
I tend to be on friendly terms with PR people without going to Hawaii. I see them a lot. They're typically very nice, and a lot of them are helpful and good at their jobs. I'm also pretty candid with them and don't hide what I think about a game until it's review time, which a lot of them seem to appreciate. I've given a lot of very low scores and only had one instance where a publisher bitched about it (none of which was EA, by the way, or Capcom).

It's hard to explain how these events work, mentally speaking, but I am a hundred percent serious when I say they are more often a pain in the ass than anything else. And the place I'm playing a game hasn't once had an impact on how I felt about it. It didn't make Dragon's Dogma better, it didn't make Lost Planet 2 better. In fact, events like this and their regimented schedules tend to stress me out more than local events. I have a ton of shit to get done in a very compact schedule.

I understand why people think these trips make press more likely to like things, but if you look at the coverage coming out of them, that influence is virtually never borne out. At least not while I've been active in the press. I don't want to write off the possibility that someone could be influenced, but I've never seen it happen. I think people are much more likely to be led astray or into hyberbole by their enthusiasm for specific things, which is not going to go away. It's an opinion driven industry. Opinions owe as large a part to enthusiasm as anything.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
Calm down. Apply the same logic to your post.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
I agree with you, but everyone is going to quote you and tell you how you are wrong and that they aren't taking this too seriously. Ignoring the 20 page thread or all the digging everyone has done trying to defame someone I have never heard of before today.
 
You would describe yourself as passionate about this? Would anyone other than the people directly involved?
I have interest in this subject yes, and others have interest or sometimes even passion. Telling people to stop caring and that there are more important things in life is sorta patronizing to be honest.
 
How exactly has she been punished? ............ people pointing out things she has done or is trying to cover / delete?
My only concern is that some people seem to be inferring that she made the complaint that got the article pulled. When dealing with corporate, it's usually not that clear cut, and making assumptions is a dangerous game.
 
You would describe yourself as passionate about this? Would anyone other than the people directly involved?
The fact we have 22+ pages in this thread speaks loudly that the industry (or those that follow the industry, at least) are very passionate about integrity in games ... writing ... stuff. Holy hell, what do we call this, now, if not journalism?
 
We may be a minority of readers, but we're a powerful minority. Considering how often GAF is the source for stories and the go-to place for crowdsourced dot connecting within the industry, I think we matter quite a bit as readers. Our opinions don't really affect game sales, but we do have an effect on industry coverage.
I think you're over-estimating its importance, this place largely runs on the echo chamber effect
 
Honestly, everyone needs to settle down. We're talking about people who write up information about video games, not exactly Pulitzer material. I'm so tired of these witchhunts.

What this community (gamers in general, not just NeoGAF) is capable of when it picks up its pitchforks is so much worse than what this person deserves. It's a really ugly side of human nature that manifests itself far too frequently. Ms. Wainwright's punishment in the last 2 days certainly surpasses the crime.

It's always the same. People get so huffy puffy mad about something that in the grand scheme of things is so goddamn trivial. Step outside, breathe some air, and realize there is so much more to life than getting angry about something so trivial.
I can't respect a medium that has a press that masquerades as PR. Games can be pretty awesome and deserve more than the current "journalism".
 
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