Hah, I think the fact that no writer at IGN, GS, GB, GI or any other major gamin website has touched this story is very telling.
Cut them some slack. They probably had a very busy day yesterday deleting tweets and altering CVs.
Hah, I think the fact that no writer at IGN, GS, GB, GI or any other major gamin website has touched this story is very telling.
- I want to know more about this allegation that a NeoGAF OT author was rewarded for their work with gifts from a company associated with the game he advocated.
Cut them some slack. They probably had a very busy day yesterday deleting tweets and altering CVs.
Cut them some slack. They probably had a very busy day yesterday deleting tweets and altering CVs.
Did these images make it over to this thread yet?
Internet detectives throw more light on the Square Enix / Wainwright connection.
Hah, I think the fact that no writer at IGN, GS, GB, GI or any other major gamin website has touched this story is very telling.
Cut them some slack. They probably had a very busy day yesterday deleting tweets and altering CVs.
But see, this is the thing. What will raise more awareness of the issue - journalists talking, mostly amongst themselves, on Twitter, or writing an article about it on a high-traffic website like Gamespot? I'm willing to bet it'll be the latter. I don't see how it'd be a waste of time either, the issue is one that needs discussing, especially if as you say it's been talked about for years - highlight it, raise awareness.It's not telling - it's tedius.
There are plenty of us talking about it on twitter if you want unofficial quotes - or read our posts in this very thread. Most of us have been preaching to the choir about this stuff for years. I'm not going to waste my time writing an article about this when others have said what needed to be said far more eloquently. Especially when I could be playing Hotline: Miami
It's not telling - it's tedius.
There are plenty of us talking about it on twitter if you want unofficial quotes - or read our posts in this very thread. Most of us have been preaching to the choir about this stuff for years. I'm not going to waste my time writing an article about this when others have said what needed to be said far more eloquently. Especially when I could be playing Hotline: Miami
It's not telling - it's tedius.
There are plenty of us talking about it on twitter if you want unofficial quotes - or read our posts in this very thread. Most of us have been preaching to the choir about this stuff for years. I'm not going to waste my time writing an article about this when others have said what needed to be said far more eloquently. Especially when I could be playing Hotline: Miami
People do love a scandal, and this is one of those. Shit, you could end up winning the gaming industry's first Pulitzer. Go all Serpico up on that shit. We believe in you, man.
So it turns out people are getting free shit for their ridiculous OTs? I can't say I'm surprised. Most of them look like they came from the PR department anyway.
But see, this is the thing. What will raise more awareness of the issue - journalists talking, mostly amongst themselves, on Twitter, or writing an article about it on a high-traffic website like Gamespot? I'm willing to bet it'll be the latter. I don't see how it'd be a waste of time either, the issue is one that needs discussing, especially if as you say it's been talked about for years - highlight it, raise awareness.
Sorry, but pretending this issue doesn't exist where it matters and where it is visible (you know, on your website) is hiding the same as hiding it.
"Oh but we're discussing it on Twitter" is not a defense.
It further cements the wolfpack mentality Rab was bringing to light in the first place.
Tedious indeed.
It's not telling - it's tedius.
There are plenty of us talking about it on twitter if you want unofficial quotes - or read our posts in this very thread. Most of us have been preaching to the choir about this stuff for years. I'm not going to waste my time writing an article about this when others have said what needed to be said far more eloquently. Especially when I could be playing Hotline: Miami
There needs to be some sort of industry wide crash (at least that of AAA model) for there to be any chance of media outlets being free from publishers influence.
Or people can talk about the underlying issues that lead up to that scandal.
It's loose-loose mate. 99% of our audience don't give a crap about this stuff. Plus, it's not gaming news. That's why Jon Walker wrote is excellent peice (which I fully agree with) on his personal blog. It's friggin late October. If this happened in June and we were all sitting on our hands, perhaps a few more blogs would go up - but write now many
I've said some pretty candid things on twitter and on here, and I have no problem honestly answering questions on the matter. I may post something about it in the future - but the folks who act like children in our industry react a lot more to internet fury than blog posts from their peers. They certainly never listened to our vocal critisisms before.
I'm sure certain websites (those who's hands have been muddied by this whole affair) are telling their staff to keep shut - but don't paint us all with the same brush. Some of us make very sure to act properly, and have been publically vocal about it with everyone on twitter. You don't get much more open than that mate.
This is an utterly ridiculous rationalization, and game "journalists" like yourself who refuse to report on the issue where it's most visible are reinforcing the problem.
smfh...
Or people can talk about the underlying issues that lead up to that scandal.
Hah, I think the fact that no writer at IGN, GS, GB, GI or any other major gamin website has touched this story is very telling. I have absolutily no respect to any of them right now. And I'm not of the "HATE EVERYTHING & EVERYONE POPULAR" crowd. Heck, I even love Giant bomb. But what little respect I had for the writers has now vanished.
To sell you ethical integrity as a writer and self proclaimed game journalist and not write anything on the subject because you don't want PR to be mad at you and not send you free shit and make you travel for basically no cost, is enough reason for me to not respect you or your work.
So it turns out people are getting free shit for their ridiculous OTs? I can't say I'm surprised. Most of them look like they came from the PR department anyway.
Of all the things to take away from this thread, this is the most important.
I understand what you're saying, but I still think the "99% of our audience don't give a crap" thing is untested if there aren't articles on high traffic sites. If one was posted, maybe they would. If they never read about it, because the issue is confined to personal blogs which don't get as much traffic, or isolated to Twitter, then they won't give a crap, because they haven't been educated about it. Education is the first step. As soon as people learn about it, they'll care.It's lose-lose mate. 99% of our audience don't give a crap about this stuff. Plus, it's not gaming news. That's why Jon Walker wrote is excellent peice (which I fully agree with) on his personal blog. It's friggin late October. If this happened in June and we were all sitting on our hands, perhaps a few more blogs would go up - but write now most of us are too busy trying to get through the busiest part of the year.
I've said some pretty candid things on twitter and on here, and I have no problem honestly answering questions on the matter. I may post something about it in the future - but the folks who act like children in our industry react a lot more to internet fury than blog posts from their peers. They certainly never listened to our vocal critisisms before.
I'm sure certain websites (those who's hands have been muddied by this whole affair) are telling their staff to keep shut - but don't paint us all with the same brush. Some of us make very sure to act properly, and have been publically vocal about it with everyone on twitter. You don't get much more open than that mate.
Why don't they? Because they aren't exposed to it. Whose fault is that?
Again, I'm not buying the Twitter excuse. I can certainly understand if your editor is all like "Nope, not on my watch". If that's the case then silence is probably the best reaction rather than "well we're talking about it on Twitter". That's not best serving your audience or yourself/yourselves.
Sorry, I don't mean to take this out on you specifically, but you're the only one here posting in response/defense/whatever.
I understand what you're saying, but I still think the "99% of our audience don't give a crap" thing is untested if there aren't articles on high traffic sites. If one was posted, maybe they would. If they never read about it, because the issue is confined to personal blogs which don't get as much traffic, or isolated to Twitter, then they won't give a crap, because they haven't been educated about it. Education is the first step. As soon as people learn about it, they'll care.
I've been gaming since I can remember, but years ago, did I care about stuff like this? Probably not, I don't remember doing anyway. That was solely because I wasn't aware of the issue - I was probably too young for a start. Games to me back then were just that, I didn't have an awareness of the industry and surrounding topics until I got older and started reading about it.
Now I know about it, I care. I'm guessing it'd be the same for most people. Educate them and they'll start taking an interest in the issue.
He is not refusing to report on the issue, he just thinks that the sites to which he writes for are not the place to report this.
. And furthermore the decision to publish that report piece wouldn't be his to make, that's why Walker published his piece on his personal blog and not Rock Paper Shotgun.
99% of our audience don't give a crap about this stuff.
No it's fine, I've offered myself up. But c'mon mate. Websites don't tell audiences what to be interested in. We often post stories that come from the periphery of gaming - or editorials that talk about areas most don't consider - but if we were to post a news piece about this you'd be happy but 500 other folks would critisise GameSpot for hopping on the bandwagon. "Oooh you weren't being so honest when Kane and Lynch came out!".
It's lose-lose mate. 99% of our audience don't give a crap about this stuff. Plus, it's not gaming news. That's why Jon Walker wrote is excellent peice (which I fully agree with) on his personal blog. It's friggin late October. If this happened in June and we were all sitting on our hands, perhaps a few more blogs would go up - but write now most of us are too busy trying to get through the busiest part of the year.
Come on, guys, this can't be reported on games sites because they might get blacklisted from future wine and dine events from the publishers.
This doesn't make any sense. Getting out ahead of other websites on this would lend you more credibility, and perhaps go some way toward repairing that image.
He is refusing to report on it, or did you not see the paragraph where he said twitter was enough?
I think Walker should have put it on RPS, personally. Game journalists are essentially brushing this under the rug (whether that is their intention or not) by discussing this in the corners of the internet rather than in the headlines, which is where it needs to be.
Wow.
I don't even know what to say to this, other than this entire situation has really drained every ounce of faith I had in the gaming media.
To be fair, you might want to give some other sites more time to respond with opinion pieces because this thing developed crazy fast.
That kind of report should be an op ed or an editorial
How could something of that sort be framed on IGN, GameSpot, GiantBomb or Game Informer?
Can you imagine the dissonance reading the first page of any of those sites with that kind of article published?
It's more of an audience issue. Who would they be writing for if they published that kind of article?
I think Walker should have put it on RPS, personally. Game journalists are essentially brushing this under the rug (whether that is their intention or not) by discussing this in the corners of the internet rather than in the headlines, which is where it needs to be.
That kind of report should be an op ed or an editorial. How could something of that sort be framed on IGN, GameSpot, GiantBomb or Game Informer? Can you imagine the dissonance reading the first page of any of those sites with that kind of article published? And I'm not being cynical about this "Yeah! How could they publish that! They suck from the same teat.". It's more of an audience issue. Who would they be writing for if they published that kind of article?
edit: Rock Paper Shotgun, Kotaku, Polygon I could see writing about this though. For different reasons each.
That kind of report should be an op ed or an editorial. How could something of that sort be framed on IGN, GameSpot, GiantBomb or Game Informer? Can you imagine the dissonance reading the first page of any of those sites with that kind of article published? And I'm not being cynical about this "Yeah! How could they publish that! They suck from the same teat.". It's more of an audience issue. Who would they be writing for if they published that kind of article?
Opinion pieces? The news itself needs to be plastered all over the place. The fact that you need to browse gaf, twitter, or some other gaming forum somewhere on the internet to know about this is reprehensible.
What has transpired in the past 12 hours, if anything?
It's lose-lose mate. 99% of our audience don't give a crap about this stuff.
Patrick did tweet that he might have something up on giantbomb tomorrow.
Deafening silence.
Yes, opinion pieces, because I'd much rather hear more nuanced thoughts on something that involves their industry. At the same time that would be reporting the news of this event too. Not every site can work on a 24hour news cycle. The developement of everything is still fairly recent.
Well there we go. It's about hits. Glad you could help reinforce how shitty gaming media is.
See! What did I tell you? We can't win!
So it turns out people are getting free shit for their ridiculous OTs? I can't say I'm surprised. Most of them look like they came from the PR department anyway.
seriously? I mean, I don't doubt it for a moment but is there any evidence? I don't think EviLore would be pleased with that.
I've alluded to this twice in this thread already and no one seems to want to comment on it lol. Guess that tells us all we need to know...Of all the things to take away from this thread, this is the most important.
See! What did I tell you? We can't win!