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[Zombie James]

That article felt like early January, not mid March.

 

[Bad_Boy]

No. That Sony purposely showed a bad encoded, not great looking video to make the public think that Killzone looks like FEAR, while the devs just listen to the speech and understand the real meaning of the presentation.

Then the media will say KZ2 looks okay/ FEAR level then BAM KZ2 at E3 with a video looping with some of the best graphics of the year.

I hope he is right.

I'm not sure. From the looks of things it definitely could of been a badly encoded video (it was played off the xmb video menu IIRC), but it's hard to judge the game with so little information. Who knows. we will see it in July, that is certain.

:lol

 

[quest]

So then where are the 1080p movies with all the uncompressed audio and whatnot? How long is it going to take to download the whole season of Heroes in HD? If they stream it is the service reliable enough that I won't get any glitches or lag? Why are people buying BRD's and HDDVD's instead of downloading the content right from the comfort of their own home? I'm sorry, but the infrastructure for such services is nowhere near as accessible to the masses as the physical format is at this point in time.

Neither are acessible at this point. The physical media costs way to much to get into the game. Most people will end up buying the 1k cheap tv from wallmart are not going to want to spend 500+ to get into the hd-movie game. Until stand alone player prices get into the sub 250 dollar range hd-dvd and blue ray are just enthusist platforms. I could careless who wins the hd movie war I just want sub 250 dollar standalone players to I can switch from DVD.

 

[reilo]

It's an opinion piece. Actually, it's multiple opinion pieces, given that each item was written by a different author.

I don't see what this has to do with bias. Newspapers run opinion pieces all the time...in a clearly marked editorial section. There is no requirement to address all possible sides of an issue in an editorial piece. I don't know if there is as much of a convention for online sites, but this is in a "features" section on a site which maintains a separate "news" section, so the implication is clearly that this is not straight news.

Finally, this is NOT FUD. Insinuating that any negative opinions about something are FUD destroys the meaning of the term. Insinuating that anyone with a negative opinion is somehow in on the game is complete BS until some actual evidence is presented.

And yes, I'd be more interested in bish's news than any of this crap.

I understand all of that, but all being equal...

The problem is that this seems to be the type pseudo-journalism that has trinkled down from politics. Allowing to spew misinformation and other such nonsense without nobody standing in the way of debating it. It might not be FUD, but it sure as hell deserves a label that closely means the same thing. To simply sit idle and let Gamespot just spew nonsense is what makes it okay for them to do it in the first place.

 

[Master Z]

Neither are acessible at this point. The physical media costs way to much to get into the game. Most people will end up buying the 1k cheap tv from wallmart are not going to want to spend 500+ to get into the hd-movie game. Until stand alone player prices get into the sub 250 dollar range hd-dvd and blue ray are just enthusist platforms. I could careless who wins the hd movie war I just want sub 250 dollar standalone players to I can switch from DVD.

The way things are going now the physical medium is going to be affordable to the masses way before the digital services are efficient enough and economically feasible to offer the same quality and features.

 

[bobbytkc]

yes. There are PS3 fans actually visiting Gamespot, and what gamespot did was essentially to piss at their faces. Howwould you feel if you actually LIKE the PS3. Is it wrong to actually enjoy the console?

 

[Manmademan]

So then where are the 1080p movies with all the uncompressed audio and whatnot? How long is it going to take to download the whole season of Heroes in HD? If they stream it is the service reliable enough that I won't get any glitches or lag? Why are people buying BRD's and HDDVD's instead of downloading the content right from the comfort of their own home? I'm sorry, but the infrastructure for such services is nowhere near as accessible to the masses as the physical format is at this point in time.

The answers to these is pretty easy. Don't expect these services to "compete" with Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or even DVD. look at them as another extension of the "on demand" services that have been in the market for years.

Want to watch an episode of Heroes in HD? sure, you can download that. Want the entire season? click here to buy it on Blu-Ray, or get your ass to the store.

Want to watch casino royale in 720p with dolby 5.1? sure, we've got that. Want to watch it in 1080p with 7.1 uncompressed surround? There's Blu-Ray right there.

Same thing with extra content, etc. This service is NOT meant to be "Blu-Ray on Demand." If you want ultra high resolution with great sound and tons of extras, this is not for you. This is for the consumer that wants to watch something quick that he's had his eye on, and doesn't feel like making a $19.99 investment for cheap entertainment.

The reason why this isn't going to cannibalize blu-ray sales is the same reason regular "on demand" doesn't eat into regular DVD sales. the markets are totally different, and DVD has proven that there's a substantial "collectors" market that loves a permanent physical medium with tons of extras. this service is for everyone else, or intended as a supplement to that.

Again, it's not even a debate as to whether the technology is here or not since Comcast, Apple, Microsoft, and Sony disagree with you and in some cases already have their services up and running.

 

[reilo]

The answers to these is pretty easy. Don't expect these services to "compete" with Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or even DVD. look at them as another extension of the "on demand" services that have been in the market for years.

Want to watch an episode of Heroes in HD? sure, you can download that. Want the entire season? click here to buy it on Blu-Ray, or get your ass to the store.

Want to watch casino royale in 720p with dolby 5.1? sure, we've got that. Want to watch it in 1080p with 7.1 uncompressed surround? There's Blu-Ray right there.

Same thing with extra content, etc. This service is NOT meant to be "Blu-Ray on Demand." If you want ultra high resolution with great sound and tons of extras, this is not for you. This is for the consumer that wants to watch something quick that he's had his eye on, and doesn't feel like making a $19.99 investment for cheap entertainment.

The reason why this isn't going to cannibalize blu-ray sales is the same reason regular "on demand" doesn't eat into regular DVD sales. the markets are totally different, and DVD has proven that there's a substantial "collectors" market that loves a permanent physical medium with tons of extras. this service is for everyone else, or intended as a supplement to that.

Again, it's not even a debate as to whether the technology is here or not since Comcast, Apple, Microsoft, and Sony disagree with you and in some cases already have their services up and running.

Even at 720p -- that's a LOT of bandwidth. A 40-45min TV episode (minus the ads) encoded in .x264 at 720p is a whopping 1.1GB. That's a one hour long download on a 3MB (300KB/s) connection.

 

[Manmademan]

Even at 720p -- that's a LOT of bandwidth. A 40-45min TV episode (minus the ads) encoded in .x264 at 720p is a whopping 1.1GB. That's a one hour long download on a 3MB (300KB/s) connection.

These are being streamed, not downloaded. I can watch 720p movies on demand, right now, through comcast instantly with no lag whatsoever.

 

[The Faceless Master]

yes. There are PS3 fans actually visiting Gamespot, and what gamespot did was essentially to piss at their faces. Howwould you feel if you actually LIKE the PS3. Is it wrong to actually enjoy the console?

"this would make the ps3 better" = r.kellying ps3 fans?

what.

Even at 720p -- that's a LOT of bandwidth. A 40-45min TV episode (minus the ads) encoded in .x264 at 720p is a whopping 1.1GB. That's a one hour long download on a 3MB (300KB/s) connection.

yeah, but with the ISP's that have this, they have QoS control to ensure that the data arrives on time.

 

[Master Z]

The answers to these is pretty easy. Don't expect these services to "compete" with Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or even DVD. look at them as another extension of the "on demand" services that have been in the market for years.

I'm not arguing against that. I was arguing that HD digital distribution is not mature enough to replace or even stunt the growth of the HD disc format for many years to come.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

"this would make the ps3 better" = r.kellying ps3 fans?

what.


yeah, but with the ISP's that have this, they have QoS control to ensure that the data arrives on time.

 

[Manmademan]

I'm not arguing against that. I was arguing that HD digital distribution is not mature enough to replace or even stunt the growth of the HD disc format for many years to come.

Oh ok. on that we're in agreement. These types of services will never replace the physical medium, IMHO. They might give Blockbuster or Netflix a swift kick in the junk, but that's about it.

yeah, but with the ISP's that have this, they have QoS control to ensure that the data arrives on time.

I have no doubt that the ISP's are going to get their cut of the profits on this in some form or another, and it will be in their best business interests to make sure that the data arrives on time.

 

[Duke Togo]

:lol

 

[WickedLaharl]

Basically, Sony needs to rip off Xbox Live. If Sony can do that, then it will at least make the decision to purchase an Xbox 360 game versus a PlayStation 3 game a little less one-sided.

You're goddamn right sony does need to rip off XBL. As of right now I'll probably end up buying all multiplatform titles for 360 just because of the lack of a unified structure for psn unless they do.

 

[AzureNightmare]

Gamespot's reaction to GDC:

 

[antiloop]

Maybe MS should make XBL an option for these whiny bitches on the PS3..

I think it's correct of Sony to move in their own direction and making something of their own.

Can they wait to bash it until it's out and they have tried it?
home and it's community features that it brings are steps in the right direction. (LBP is proof of that)

 

[Terrell]

I understand all of that, but all being equal...

The problem is that this seems to be the type pseudo-journalism that has trinkled down from politics. Allowing to spew misinformation and other such nonsense without nobody standing in the way of debating it. It might not be FUD, but it sure as hell deserves a label that closely means the same thing. To simply sit idle and let Gamespot just spew nonsense is what makes it okay for them to do it in the first place.

Uhhh... GAF sits idly by while other news outlets go around making slack-jawed, misinformed and downright inflammatory comments ALL THE TIME. It's just that this time, it was done to the PS3, but EVERY console's had its moment to be shit upon for far more asanine reasons than what's presented here.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Maybe MS should make XBL an option for these whiny bitches on the PS3..

I think it's correct of Sony to move in their own direction and making something of their own.

Can they wait to bash it until it's out and they have tried it?
home and it's community features that it brings are steps in the right direction. (LBP is proof of that)

power on system.
game starts.
invite people.

why does it *have* to be more complicated?

i'm not saying that there is no use for home.
i'm not saying that home sucks or anything like that.
home serves many more purposes than the 360 in-game guide blade, and sony showed that very clearly.
it's just that when you want to just power on, start the game up and invite some people, you should be able to do just that.
what i ask is seriously, why, oh why, does it *have* to be more complicated than a few steps?

 

[Kobun Heat]

I was all ready to get worked up over this but then I read Gerstmann's piece and didn't see a single thing in there that I disagreed with. In fact this was the kind of stuff I was asking Phil Harrison at GDC. I want to get game invites without having to boot up Home. Where's the controversy?

 

[Wollan]

Home won't replace the XMB menus.

Where's the controversy?

Read the rest. I didn't have a problem with Gerstmanns piece.

 

[antiloop]

power on system.
game starts.
invite people.

why does it *have* to be more complicated?

i'm not saying that there is no use for home.
i'm not saying that home sucks or anything like that.
home serves many more purposes than the 360 in-game guide blade, and sony showed that very clearly.
it's just that when you want to just power on, start the game up and invite some people, you should be able to do just that.
what i ask is seriously, why, oh why, does it *have* to be more complicated than a few steps?

The idea is that XMB will incorporate almost all the options home will have. But at the same time I could see the use of doing it in 3D and meet people/friends/clan/developers in home. It doesn't have to be so hard to use features with the Virtual PSP inside home.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Home won't replace the XMB menus.

when was that functionality added to the in-game XMB?

 

[xaosslug]

BELIEVE!

after Sony's GDC Keynote, many do--LittleBigPlanet! ;p

 

[LJ11]

In fact this was the kind of stuff I was asking Phil Harrison at GDC.

Was Home his answer for everything, or do they intend on incorporating Live-like functions through XMB?

 

[hadareud]

there's one thing that I have been wondering about for a while now:

why the ****, as soon as there is an article, review or preview that is in any way remotely negative for a console - is there immediately a thread about how everything is a big conspiracy against this or that console, and that the article in question is nothing but a big FUD campaign.

The ironic thing about it is that these very threads contain more Fear, uncertainty and doubt about the publications in question than any of the original articles ever possibly could.

Needless to say, these threads are more than annoying.

 

[Hagi23]

Gamespot's reaction to GDC:

:lol

 

[Beer Monkey]

Maybe MS should make XBL an option for these whiny bitches on the PS3..

It's not MS' problem, it's Sony's.

It is Sony's problem that even as of fall 2007 they will be failing to meet some of the basic online functionality provided by Live in 2002.

It's not whining nor bitching to expect them to.

If they want to deliver some social networking service on top of all that, bully for them! But they haven't addressed the basics yet and apparently they aren't going to do that first and maybe not even do it well.

Q: Can you enter, say, MotorStorm™ quickly through Home without having to travel to the specific MotorStorm™ lobby?

Currently, users can find each other in Home, and then arrange to go off and play MotorStorm™ at the same time. Eventually, users will be able to meet in Home and eamlessly launch into a game of MotorStorm™. Similarly, users will be able to exit to Home directly from the game"

 

[Mustaphadamus]

I read 90% of this article (skipped the price part and didn't read the last few sentences)

I agree with some of this guys points but the way he has presented the points are a bit obnoxious and some of his points are a bit on the "are you dumb?!" side of things. I mean first on the price bit, Sony is losing something like 300 dollars on EVERY console, not to mention I don't know of ANY system that has dropped the price in the first year or even second year of its life. He needs to really get over that, I mean at this point he sounds a bit naive/immature on the issue. Immature in the sense he seems to have absolutely no adult concept of what it means to get/make money. You don't make money by continuing to lose money or even buy increasing the amount of money you’re already losing. So he needs to grow up a bit or educate himself on how business works and how rich people get/stay rich.

I agree with him that Sony needs to sort out the online a bit more as far as voice messaging, and a universal friends list that spans across games. I think the friends list in each game should be empty BUT I believe you should be able to import the people from your friends list who have the game. My reasoning is there are only 50 people allowed on your friend’s list right. But let’s say all 50 don’t play one of the games you have, so now that means you may meet some new person you want to play with in a particular game but now you got to clear off your friends list to make room. Instead have each game have its own BLANK friends list and you can just import those from your main friends list you want and then include new people from the game you meet. Either way yeah Sony needs to improve this aspect.

The home arguments the person makes are again a bit obnoxious/silly. I mean he makes it seem like every person is going to have porn and all this other crap on their HDD and sharing it with people. He seems like a savage if that’s the sort of friends he has but hey whatever. Either way he shouldn't lump every gamer into there category of mindless savages who only think about eating, sleeping and fornicating, some of us enjoy more intellectual pursuits.

He used Virtua Fighter as a case for the online for every game argument and i find that moronic. If he was into that game he would know some moves taking you counting EACH frame before pressing a certain button. That sort of precision could NEVER be done over a network; at least not networks as they are today. However I do agree there needs to be a set of standards that games that should be online must meet. As someone once said though not all games need to be online and they shouldn’t be online and game developers shouldn’t be forced to shoe horn something into a game that isn’t appropriate for that game.

Either way it has some points yes but others just seem like more immature or naive than anything else.

 

[Woo-Fu]

You'll see this stuff over and over again.

Most of it can be answered with, "same functionality will be available from the media bar."

Basically, there are an awful lot of people paying for Live! Gold right now who aren't happy and can't take it out on MS... so they take it out on Home.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Basically, there are an awful lot of people paying for Live! Gold right now who aren't happy and can't take it out on MS... so they take it out on Home.

You'd like to think that wouldn't you?

 

[Beer Monkey]

You'll see this stuff over and over again.

Most of it can be answered with, "same functionality will be available from the media bar."

All I ask is that by the end of this year, that no matter which online PS3 game I am playing, I can access a menu (without quitting the game) and see my universal friends list, and throw an invite to any of those friends. They will receive a notification of the invite and can respond, in-game, no matter which online or offline game they are playing.

Is it your prediction that this will happen in 2007? Let's get it out there, for posterity.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Basically, there are an awful lot of people paying for Live! Gold right now who aren't happy and can't take it out on MS... so they take it out on Home.

I have to ask, truthfully, do you really believe what you just wrote?

 

[mckmas8808]

It's not MS' problem, it's Sony's.

It is Sony's problem that even as of fall 2007 they will be failing to meet some of the basic online functionality provided by Live in 2002.

It's not whining nor bitching to expect them to.

If they want to deliver some social networking service on top of all that, bully for them! But they haven't addressed the basics yet and apparently they aren't going to do that first and maybe not even do it well.

LIVE cost $50 a year. It should have at least one thing that PSN doesn't. And didn't you hear that Sony is trying to add those invites later on?

 

[Woo-Fu]

You'd like to think that wouldn't you?

...considering I'm one of the people unhappy about paying for it, I don't have any trouble at all thinking it, thank you very much.

 

[Haunted]

I stopped treating Gamespot as one of the 'big' sites long ago.

there's one thing that I have been wondering about for a while now:

why the ****, as soon as there is an article, review or preview that is in any way remotely negative for a console - is there immediately a thread about how everything is a big conspiracy against this or that console, and that the article in question is nothing but a big FUD campaign.

The ironic thing about it is that these very threads contain more Fear, uncertainty and doubt about the publications in question than any of the original articles ever possibly could.

Needless to say, these threads are more than entertaining.

fixed.

 

[Woo-Fu]

I have to ask, truthfully, do you really believe what you just wrote?

I'm grasping at straws to figure out why anybody would waste their time writing a story downplaying Home. It is free... and the online functionality in the virtual world will be mirrored in the xros media bar.

The only valid complaint is that it isn't available today.

Yet that being the case, I see so many non-PS3 owners downplaying it, FUDing it, doing everything possible to discredit it.

Why on earth would they do such a thing? It really makes no sense to me. The culture of Sony hate has been thrown a curve ball.

 

[mckmas8808]

All I ask is that by the end of this year, that no matter which online PS3 game I am playing, I can access a menu (without quitting the game) and see my universal friends list, and throw an invite to any of those friends. They will receive a notification of the invite and can respond, in-game, no matter which online or offline game they are playing.

Is it your prediction that this will happen in 2007? Let's get it out there, for posterity.

I think something like that will be possible in 2007. But honestly I think Sony will just allow multi-tasking so that if you were playing Madden 08 you will be able to jump to the XMB and message your friend and ask him to jump on the Madden 08 online servers and play against you while HE was playing Ninja Giden Sigma.

He would see your message notification, pause Ninja Giden Sigma, jump to the XMB and read your message and decide to put in Madden and jump online and find you.

 

[Orlics]

Basically, there are an awful lot of people paying for Live! Gold right now who aren't happy and can't take it out on MS... so they take it out on Home.

How does that make sense, exactly? What prevents Live Gold users from constructively criticizing MS? How do you figure that people aren't satisfied with Live Gold, amidst all the praise for it here and elsewhere?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I'm grasping at straws to figure out why anybody would waste their time writing a story downplaying Home. It is free... and the online functionality in the virtual world will be mirrored in the xros media bar.

The only valid complaint is that it isn't available today.

Yet that being the case, I see so many non-PS3 owners downplaying it, FUDing it, doing everything possible to discredit it.

Why on earth would they do such a thing? It really makes no sense to me. The culture of Sony hate has been thrown a curve ball.

Isn't the article about what Sony could do to improve the PS3, and not about bashing HOME? I thought the article was ten things that could be improved about the PS3 right now, today. I think there are people who have some valid questions about HOME, which makes sense because it's so far off and even though a lenghty FAQ has been released, there are still questions that won't be answered for some time.

Be baffled no more.

 

[Draft]

The only valid complaint is that it isn't available today.

That and it lacks the basic features that make Live worth having. But you just keep chalking criticism up to FUD.

 

[mckmas8808]

That and it lacks the basic features that make Live worth having. But you just keep chalking criticism up to FUD.

Yeah but do they do any investigating on if and when those basic features will/might get implemented?

 

[antiloop]

home should be compared to XBL silver. Both are free, one is lacking a great deal of features.

Can't wait to try out home. It will improve a lot during the beta phase I am sure when people get to try it out.

 

[arcader]

I tried to read it - but most gamespot articles arent worth the time investment.

 

[Draft]

Yeah but do they do any investigating on if and when those basic features will/might get implemented?

I suppose that yes, as journalists they should be aware of what features are planned or might be planned. I would further say that stuff Sony plans on adding or might be thinking of adding are largely irrelevant to an opinion piece on Home. Gamespot can only realistically comment on the service as it was presented, not as the nebulous super entity it may become in the future.

I'm in total broken record mode at this point but I think lack of basic game invite and messaging services is a HUGE flaw in PSN, and Home does nothing to correct it. In a lot of ways, it's part of the problem. XBL seems designed to get you into games, with your friends, as quickly as possible. Home, and to a lesser extent PSN, does not.

 

[PorscheThunder]

I skimmed through the article, and I agree with standardizing online features. Not being able to chat in Ridge Racer 7 is inexcusable in this day and age. If Sony does that, great. If not, I'll be sticking with Xbox Live, thank you very much.

 

[NinSoX]

Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll never visit their website again. That'll show them anti Sony FUD spreaders

 

[mckmas8808]

I suppose that yes, as journalists they should be aware of what features are planned or might be planned. I would further say that stuff Sony plans on adding or might be thinking of adding are largely irrelevant to an opinion piece on Home. Gamespot can only realistically comment on the service as it was presented, not as the nebulous super entity it may become in the future.

I'm in total broken record mode at this point but I think lack of basic game invite and messaging services is a HUGE flaw in PSN, and Home does nothing to correct it. In a lot of ways, it's part of the problem. XBL seems designed to get you into games, with your friends, as quickly as possible. Home, and to a lesser extent PSN, does not.

Again why not let people know that some of those features ARE coming to the PS3 without HOME being in the equation. We knew about those new basic features coming to the PS3 for a while now.

Why do you and Gamespot ignore this?

 

[rs7k]

there's one thing that I have been wondering about for a while now:

why the ****, as soon as there is an article, review or preview that is in any way remotely negative for a console - is there immediately a thread about how everything is a big conspiracy against this or that console, and that the article in question is nothing but a big FUD campaign.

The ironic thing about it is that these very threads contain more Fear, uncertainty and doubt about the publications in question than any of the original articles ever possibly could.

Needless to say, these threads are more than annoying.

Precisely. I fail to see how Gamespot made this article to bash the PS3, like they give a **** whether the PS3 sells over a certain amount, etc.

Must be the Sony hive being paranoid.

 

[Draft]

Again why not let people know that some of those features ARE coming to the PS3 without HOME being in the equation. We knew about those new basic features coming to the PS3 for a while now.

Why do you and Gamespot ignore this?

Are coming when? Sony has announced a hard date for their release? Has explained exactly what they plan to do? If they have then great, Sony has effectively addressed my only complaint with their online service.