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Gamespot: Where are all the Great Console Games?
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Great Console Games
PC being the greatest platform there is (and includes great console multiplats as well as indies, mid tier, mobile ports and full out pc games) makes it the best place to play most things, though.
Using the only real objective measurements we have for quality of said titles (like meta critic as nintendo did last Christmas) would suggest that subjective opinion matches that bar for quality the op speaks of in regards to console gaming
This man has first post skills.
But will it be another The Order 1886?
TheDarkKnight774
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Those weren't considered mid tier games when they came out. Maybe ICO. but a game like ICO these days would be digital only and not come out @ $50. And guess what? People in this thread would then claim it doesn't count...for reasons.
And Sony still publishes similar smaller games all the time. See ThatGameCompany games. Rain, unfinished swan, resogun, etc.
The bottom line is people have become nostalgic for the mythical mid tier game from back in the day when they still exist but Because it's digital only they are treated as some sub standard gaming format. Things have changed a lot since the XBLA came out. Time to let go of your $50 mid tier games and embrace the $20 digital ones
What he's says feels true even though I enjoyed a lot of last years releases. I really liked mordor and sunset overdrive and far cry 4. I'm just not wowed by any of them. these kind of games are solid releases but there need to be a games of this quality released at least once a month. In the good years of last gen I felt like I was spoilt for choice in the AAA space now not so much.
It won't.
The Scrivener
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Psycho_Mantis
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Wipeout is hardly mid tier......it was a DL only title and SOCOM was just another TPS. Don't see that affecting SCE's output perception. Team ICO have not put out anything since 2006 so when comparing PS3 to PS4 it makes little sense to include them.
Whats etc?
If you want mid tier on PS4, there's the Japanese games, the smaller western games and the big budget indie games.
Magic Mushroom
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So does Microsoft. Games like D4 and Killer Instinct definitely fit that mould.
But you're rigth.
And no the scope of indie games is not smaller than that of AAA per se. You can't get much bigger than Minecraft and a game like Ori - which would have been a full-priced game back in the day - offers more way more gameplay and game time than The Order. So does something like The Talos Principle for example. Indie games aren't bite-sized snacks per se. Also, games like Resogun, The Tomorrow Children and Rime aren't indie.
MatrixMan.EXE
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There's already a handful of classics I can easily name on Wii U. Plus Guilty Gear Xrd is fantastic, although its not PS4/PS3, but I think it still counts.
Either way, the games are coming. We're only a year and 5 months into the PS4/XB1 lifecycle, and Bloodborne launches real soon. I think it has the potential to be the first 'masterpiece' on PS4.
Either way, the games are coming. We're only a year and 5 months into the PS4/XB1 lifecycle, and Bloodborne launches real soon. I think it has the potential to be the first 'masterpiece' on PS4.
Wipeout was totally mid tier, up until the point Psygnosis was bought by sony.
MrCunningham
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Yes, and some of the great ones are on PC now.
But, in all seriousness, the generation is still young. Things will happen.
Khaos_Knight
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Yeah, out of the 9 non PS+ games that I have for my PS4 only one is first party and that came with my PS4.
Last gen I had a PS3 from day one and out of the 100 + PS3 games I played on it, only 20 or so were exclusive.
I got a 360 in early 2011 but the ratio of multiplat to exclusive games that I played is more or less the same as on the PS3.
I don't give a fuck whether a game is exclusive or not as long as I can play it on a system that I have.
outunderthestars
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I think you are stretching it in your assumptions about the power of the average person's computer. In an era of chromebooks, $250 laptops, and tablets, fewer and fewer people have machines that can easily play games. The number of people who can play games like the ones that top NPD's (GTA V, Dying Light, etc.) that require GPU's with 1GB of Vram and a quad core processor are even fewer.
That is why MS and Sony have sold 30 million consoles in 15 months or so.
I think saying that there havent been good console games is a bit short sighted. If you want to say third party games don't count, cross gen games don't count, and multiplatform games don't count, then yes, its been a little thin.
But are you really comparing 15 years ago, or even 9 years ago where the market was completely different and the industry was actually in a good shape enough to support third party console exclusives and actual high end development on such a scale, to today, where there are basically only a few large companies left with a a smaller handful of lesser devs beyond that and a whole bunch of indies?
What are people expecting? Its not 2005, or 1999
But are you really comparing 15 years ago, or even 9 years ago where the market was completely different and the industry was actually in a good shape enough to support third party console exclusives and actual high end development on such a scale, to today, where there are basically only a few large companies left with a a smaller handful of lesser devs beyond that and a whole bunch of indies?
What are people expecting? Its not 2005, or 1999
Basileus777
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Being a digital title doesn't preclude something from being mid-tier. Digital is where the mid-tier exists nowadays, packaged goods are mostly for AAA games.
I can play League of Legends on a $70 HP tablet running Windows 8.
We're not talking about AAAs here that require almost cutting edge power. We're talking indie titles made on a much smaller scale.
I'm sorry that I sounded way off. I never owned a Nintendo console and I still don't own one. I own a PS4. I'm basing the "wonderful" games based on the general positive reception of the Nintendo exclusive lineup (and not to forget Nintendo's commitment to 60 fps gameplay
)CaptainGyro
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is this a joke? did you just call metacritic an objective measurement?
Psycho_Mantis
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Not on PS3.
Lets use this so called objective measurement (loool), Metacritc, and what it defines as good games (75+):
PS4 (2013-2015) : 116
WiiU ( 2012 -2015) : 79
and thats with WiiU's 1 year head start.
Ninja Boy!
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Real talk
Khaos_Knight
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Except the video is clearly about AAA games. They specifically mention blockbuster games aka AAA games.
How many are console exclusive and not also available on PC at a fraction of the cost?
Except that has nothing to do with the conversation that I was having with my original response. Please read the thread before interjecting your contribution.
My question as its always been is, what does that matter to a majority of people who don't play on PC to begin with?
Why do the games suddenly not count because they are multiplats? It makes little business sense to make a console exclusive game these days considering the market and how easy steam and affordable parts makes PC gaming.
People keep going back to this when the market is hardly the same as it was even last gen. Its an apples to oranges comparison.
The people buying PS4's in bulk aren't the ones who are going to bother with serious PC gaming anyway, as if they were already into PC gaming on that level, they would have no reason to own a PS4 to start.
CaptainGyro
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that doesn't have anything to do with anything when it comes to the topic of the thread
All it would take would be for some of those bloated incumbents to collapse on themselves.
Watching what grows in the space freed will be amazing.
Obviously, once you are owned by something like Sony computer entertainment, you are too big and have too much money backing you too be considered mid tier. You know, up until the point sony liquidizes you.
That's already starting to happen. Studios are dropping left and right and fewer games are being made by huge publishers. I highly doubt we'll see another Dead Space, for example.
So would that rule out any indie games on eShop as well that I can find elsewhere?
That's an irrelevant point - the question reads "Where are all the great console games?" - not "Where are all the great games that fit into my limited criteria that point to "Wii U" as the answer?"
i used a slightly different measure in a thread from a few weeks back. i think it kind of shows maybe why people expected the ps4 and xb1 to be more impressive than they are, and maybe highlights what they're seeing within these top-rated games:
because retail sees prominent placement among advertisers, websites, and forums, it's what's usually considered the stuff that matters. when the stuff that matters doesn't measure up because half of it feels dated for whatever reason, that further hurts the impression of these platforms.
to go to your point, and to kind of talk about overall perception, here's the number of ps4 games with a metascore of 75 and up, and are not remakes of games from previous generations, or available on platforms from previous generations: 24
here's the wii u number: 36
here's the number of those games at retail
ps4: 3
wii u: 14
of those, here's the amount that are exclusive to those platforms:
ps4: 1
wii u: 14
this isn't meant to be a sort of definitive list, but it's supposed to offer some perspective as to why some might consider one library more desirable over the other.
I would guess, more indies, or nothing, contraction of the market place and everyone goes to lesser levels of development on phones like a majority of Japan.
Outside of a few outliers who know how to manage budgets, i think AA gaming is dead without a real structure in place..and nobody really seems keen on proving there is still a market for that kind of title.
Its really unfortunate and i hate it...but there would have to be a real groundswell effort from many areas i think, and i don't think there is enough cohesion for that in the industry at present
Psycho_Mantis
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You didn't watch the video did you?
The guy includes multi-platform games. He's talking about output in general.
You are confusing publishers with developers.
Whats happening there is the further destruction of the mid tier at the hands of publisher incumbents that got us here in the first place.
What Im talking about, is something like EA finally going under, and everything that begins too sprout and grow out of its fertilizing carcass. Mmmm... Carcass.
What you are talking about is a gigantic publisher scooping up small studios that may have one day been competition, milking them dry, gutting them, and then stringing the corpses up like little corpse puppets to see if anyone will throw a nickel at them, before throwing them in the trash.
Not having a gaming PC? I'd figure that was quite a large addressable audience.
THQ went under.
What part of "you don't need a gaming PC to run these titles" do you guys just not understand?
Yes they did. THQ managed to bastardize pretty much every single childhood property I had ever known by putting them in horrible licensed videogame form, starting with rocky and bullwinkle... Unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that a handful of publisher incumbents still have the market in a stranglehold right now.
Monocle
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Nailed it. Nailed it so hard.
Khaos_Knight
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That wasn't a conversation.
You tried to correct me and you were wrong.
But excuse me, I'll make sure to knock the next time I enter a Chindogg thread.
To further drive home his point, he should've probably mentioned the sixth gen line-up aswell for the first two years. Probably the most godly years of gaming we've ever seen.
Imagine if MGSV, FF15, GT7, GTAV, The Last Guardian and DMC5 all came out the same season on PS4? The thought is simply too crazy for us. But on PS2, that was reality.
Imagine if MGSV, FF15, GT7, GTAV, The Last Guardian and DMC5 all came out the same season on PS4? The thought is simply too crazy for us. But on PS2, that was reality.
It seems like there was a shift to a lot more games coming to PC in the latter half of last generation, along with PCs becoming more user friendly and the console experience becoming more complicated. The more ports there are the less attractive the consoles will look to our demographic. That shift isn't going to be perceptible to a lot of people but it is happening and as studios need to look under every rock to find money it will continue.
No one was answering the video itself. It was a response to the question.
Meanwhile you decided to add a bunch of indie games into your argument with the lovely sarcastic pic about how they don't count.
So please knock next time before you waffle between one subject and the next.
To further drive home his point, he should've probably mentioned the sixth gen line-up aswell for the first two years. Probably the most godly years of gaming we've ever seen.
Imagine if MGSV, FF15, GT7, GTAV, The Last Guardian and DMC5 all came out the same season on PS4? The thought is simply too crazy for us. But on PS2, that was reality.
You forgot Uncharted 4 and Silent hills.
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