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Gamespot: Where are all the Great Console Games?

Chindogg said:
You don't even need a gaming PC for most indies. So dropping $450 is somehow a viable idea?

I guess if you want to justify your purchase then by all means, but that's really stretching it honestly.



Let's try to ease up on the condescending talk. I'm probably older than you. If that's what you want to do with a console, let it rock. I'm just asking why when you could just as easily play those games probably on the machine you typed this response.
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What makes you so sure he's posting from a computer? I never do.
 
Good video, subscribed. I agree with his sentiment- I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having one of these systems. It is stuff like Skate that we're really missing this generation. There's no room for new ideas.
 
Neff said:
There are more factors at play regarding Wii U's lacking performance than simple quality of software. It's also hard to argue against its library's strong MC performance compared to that of its rivals.
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It's also had a year longer to get that library, and while many of those games reviewed well, they also utterly bombed sales wise, even when just taking other WiiU games into account.

I mean I own these games. I bought them and really enjoyed them, but they're almost all niche titles, bar MK and Smash really, and I totally get most people not giving the slightest shit about them compared to GTA, BattleCOD, AssCreed and FIFA/Madden, most of which I hate.

I get that it's hard to keep perspective when you're passionate, and how easy it is to get defensive when it must feel like the entire game industry is conspiring against your tastes.

But the way so many people, both fans and journalists, trot out the handful of great WiiU exclussives as if they're the saintly, untouchable pinnacle of modern gaming everyone should be universally praising while ignoring any other titles, is just really wearing thin.

Especially as Nintendo did have that year head start that their supporters so often ignore, and that they've been deliberately targeting their titles at the hardcore to keep them happy so they don't loose their audience entirely.

It's like all the people loosing their rag over Nintendo going mobile. I just wish people would be a bit more self aware and try and keep things in perspective.

LMAO
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Well since accent doesn't carry over through text, British colloquialism's are the next best thing! It means 'to insult', if the phrase is lost on you.
 
thebloo said:
Witcher was a PC only game that didn't really do much until the EE came out. It was a decent (but buggy) game with decent sales and reviews. The free EE update, coupled with the growth of Steam is what got it to today's status.
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Point is that it was an exciting new IP, 2007 was in great shape everywhere. Crysis was PC only too. Growth of Steam and some notion of what Witcher is today is missing the point and really arbitrary stuff. Steam is great but who the fuck cares? I play Crysis and Witcher 1/2 without Steam. Steam doesn't make Witcher 2 better.
 
Las7 said:
I though DA:I is multiplatform.
To me it's a pretty dissapointing title but I can understand why console players would like it they haven't played too many games like DA:I before.
To me it's just an MM-NO which is very poorly optimized for PC which is super dissapointing considering what the original DA:O represented.
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Not sure how it being multiplatform and also available on PC affects my point when I was replying to a user discussing DA:I on PS4, in a thread about AAA console games. I really couldn't care less if a game is exclusive or not. If it's on PS4, it's a PS4 game when we're discussing PS4s. I also didn't make reference to it being on XBO either.

I'm sure lots of PC gamers would also like it if they haven't played too many games like DA:I before too. Your insinuation that all PC gamers have lots of experience and all console gamers don't is ridiculous, I've been playing rpgs for thirty years, and have happily moved between pen-and-paper, PCs and consoles (even owning both at the same time) as the years have gone by. Owning a WiiU does not somehow mean that I've magically never rolled a twenty-sided-dice, or never played the mid-to-late-90s computer games. I'd wager I'm probably more familiar with them than a PC gamer 20 years younger than me.

But don't let that stop you seeing an opportunity to get a dig in at those console peasants.
 
chromatic9 said:
This topic is something I mentioned a while back. 2007 also had Mass Effect and Crysis, Witcher brand new in 2007. I don't think some are getting it, posting Infamous SS is not counter. It's big new ip's or a genre or games that are reworked or something like Halo 3 as a major release, a big new start or shift would be COD modern warfare

Mass Effect
Assassins Creed
Uncharted
Bioshock
Gears of War
CoD Modern Warfare
Halo 3
Crysis
Witcher
Portal

I was looking at Uncharted 4 to make a buy a PS4 but its delayed now. Point for me is new shit to get excited about though, like think back how Bioshock was new, I don't want Bioshock 4 or Ass Creed 11. Ass Creed was new back then. Crysis was new and doing something amazing. Uncharted was new and exciting, not really wanting U4 but I'll take it and no its delayed anyway. I want the Uncharted replacement, the Bioshock replacement. Not the same game with wet looking roads like Infamous

PGR4 was released in 2007, you could say Driveclub is a counter but its really only got weather, its a pretty dull game compared to PGR. Widespread reviews also show this. I know some really like it on Neogaf but PGR it ain't, there's no conspiracy in reviews.

Also using the gamespot video you have Skate and Rock Band, Skate had excitement in the industry, it's not something I'd buy but I appreciate what was happening in the second year. I look now and its really a dearth of games or ideas. I also had some form of Gran turismo on PS3 in October via demo and bought GT5P in Dec 2007, where the hell is everything?
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I agree. It was a diversified portfolio of experiences that were all new and exciting. We don't have that type of catalogue this gen.
 
I feel that the video definitely downplays, at least the potential, of the games released this year. So far, I'm thinking Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Metal Gear Solid V, Persona 5 and more could wind up competing with some of those 2007 games. Even then, you need to be careful comparing any year to 2007; for many, it's a strong contender for the best year in gaming.

There's no doubt that 2014 was an overall disappointment, and seeing games like Uncharted 4 delayed into 2016 sucks, but there's still reason to be excited for the present and near-future.
 
videotape said:
I'm a game enthusiast and if I was only allowed one console and no PC I'd choose a Wii U. I'm not really a Nintendo fan either... it has the best games and is most affordable.
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Strongly disagree. The library s a joke compared to PS4. It has a number of great exclusives, sure. It makes a neat secondary system. It's a repeat of the Wii basically. The PS4 has a MUCH stronger overall lineup of games thanks to the third party support, and honestly more importantly, the superior indie support.
 
I Wanna Be The Guy said:
Strongly disagree. The library s a joke compared to PS4. It has a number of great exclusives, sure. It makes a neat secondary system. It's a repeat of the Wii basically. The PS4 has a MUCH stronger overall lineup of games thanks to the third party support, and honestly more importantly, the superior indie support.
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Depends on your taste in games.
 
Stilton Disco said:
I mean I own these games. I bought them and really enjoyed them, but they're almost all niche titles, bar MK and Smash really, and I totally get most people not giving the slightest shit about them compared to GTA, BattleCOD, AssCreed and FIFA/Madden, most of which I hate.

But the way so many people, both fans and journalists, trot out the handful of great WiiU exclussives as if they're the saintly, untouchable pinnacle of modern gaming everyone should be universally praising while ignoring any other titles, is just really wearing thin.
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Always made me wonder about reviewers and why they go into game journalism anyway, they seem to exhibit many of the same love of niche titles that most people don't give a damn about.

One just has to look at the praise of Bayo 2 and the damning of Destiny by many reviewers and some on GAF, 13 million people play destiny and love it and Bayo 2 bombed hard. Maybe its cool to like the niche stuff ?

Maybe I am just in that group that agrees with most people (mainstream) and just ignores many reviewers who are as subjective and biased as all of us. I am the opposite of your tastes really, and that's fine.
 
Percy said:
Clearly he feels otherwise. It's entirely a subjective matter.



Also on PC. The article is asking specifically about console games.
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Is it on a console? Then it's a console game. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. It being on PC a doesn't make the game to magically not exist. And Time playing and enjoying games is time enjoying games. Your time and enjoyment doesn't suddenly become less meaningful if it's a multiplatform digital only game
 
It's not complicated. Retail releases are drying up, developers have closed and consolidated. Anyone still developing AAA console retail titles need to keep it safe. Less risk, more reward as there are fewer titles for gamers looking for those types of games to choose from.

If you like indie games and mobile games and VR, this is the dawn of a new golden age.

If you don't, it's the beginning of the end.
 
Stilton Disco said:
It's also had a year longer to get that library
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Stilton Disco said:
But the way so many people, both fans and journalists, trot out the handful of great WiiU exclussives as if they're the saintly, untouchable pinnacle of modern gaming everyone should be universally praising while ignoring any other titles, is just really wearing thin.
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To be fair, Wii U's first year is still pretty great for exclusives. Mario U, ZombiU, Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 are all a cut above for their respective genres. Mario 3D World, which missed the first year mark by days only, is sublime. If people keep bringing Wii U's library up and holding it up as a standard, that's because for one thing it's generally under-appreciated in terms of both sales and exposure, and for another, it is a damn good library.

Stilton Disco said:
Well since accent doesn't carry over through text, British colloquialism's are the next best thing! It means 'to insult', if the phrase is lost on you.
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I'm British as well, it was just funny to hear it used in the context of hypothetically lambasting a games console.
 
PS4 and X1 have been slow burners, all right. MS has done a little better than Sony with their first-party output, but not by much. Multiplats have been bleh. I think most concerns will be alleviated by the end of the year, with the likes of Blooborne, Battlefront, Halo, MGS, etc. Even if we get a handful of delays this year still puts last year to shame in terms of big console games.

Nintendo is obviously the exception because their lineup has been good for a while.
 
redcrayon said:
Not sure how it being multiplatform affects my point when I was replying to a user discussing DA:I on PS4, in a thread about AAA console games. I really couldn't care less if a game is exclusive or not. If it's on PS4, it's a PS4 game when we're discussing PS4s.

With regards to your PC elitism, I'm sure lots of PC gamers would also like it if they haven't played too many games like DA:I before too. Your insinuation that all PC gamers have lots of experience and all console gamers don't is ridiculous, I've been playing rpgs for thirty years, and have happily moved between PCs and consoles (even owning both at the same time) as the years have gone by.

But don't let that stop you seeing an opportunity to get a dig in at those console peasants.
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Have you played DA:O ?
DA:I and DA2 are games I choose to disassociate with the original.
It's not about elitism or anything like that. I played and loved DA:O - those two games which are supposed sequels are just insulting to me. Probably a lot of the original fans of DA:O feel the same way, BioWare has gone in a direction which alienates a large portion of the audience which made Dragon Age successful to begin with.
 
jett said:
Fixed for video accuracy.
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Part of the point is that the "AAA Crap" used to be worthwhile and something to look forward to.
gketter said:
Is it on a console? Then it's a console game. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. It being on PC a doesn't make the game to magically not exist. And Time playing and enjoying games is time enjoying games. Your time and enjoyment doesn't suddenly become less meaningful if it's a multiplatform digital only game
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It's obvious that the whole point of the video is to highlight just how few reasons there are to buy a console right now. If your best defense to the argument is that you can buy a bunch of games that you can also get on a platform that isn't a console, then you're not really proving his point wrong in any way. If your list of great PS4 games are also all on PC, then someone with a PC or that is interested in a PC has absolutely no reason to buy a PS4. Consoles used to be a space where a bunch of exclusive interesting titles came out that you couldn't get anywhere else. That hasn't been the case so far this generation, and it shows.

It's like saying I should drive half way across town to a Burger King just to get a Whopper, when there is also another Burger King right down the street from me that not only has Whoppers, but also has a bunch of other menu options not available at the Burger King across town.
 
soulassssns said:
Depends on your taste in games.
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Yep.

I have 15 retail Wii U games and 4 retail PS4 games. And of those PS4 games, two are bite sized games put in a retail package (First Light and Ground Zeroes).

And another one is Knack.

Thankfully I'll pick up Type-0 and Bloodborne soon.

But then after those who knows what my next PS4 game will be. MGSV is the only one that has a release date that I can think of. Surely Ratchet & Clank or something will release before that?
 
I Wanna Be The Guy said:
Strongly disagree. The library s a joke compared to PS4. It has a number of great exclusives, sure. It makes a neat secondary system. It's a repeat of the Wii basically. The PS4 has a MUCH stronger overall lineup of games thanks to the third party support, and honestly more importantly, the superior indie support.
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If you own a PC like most people, though, at this point you're really not missing out on much.
 
If we are talking about big AAA games that are truly something else, then I have not seen them yet, but I have a strong feeling that we are now going to get a steady stream of those games now. Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight seem like they are going to be must plays
 
chromatic9 said:
This topic is something I mentioned a while back. 2007 also had Mass Effect and Crysis, Witcher brand new in 2007. I don't think some are getting it, posting Infamous SS is not counter. It's big new ip's or a genre or games that are reworked or something like Halo 3 as a major release, a big new start or shift would be COD modern warfare

Mass Effect
Assassins Creed
Uncharted
Bioshock
Gears of War
CoD Modern Warfare
Halo 3
Crysis
Witcher
Portal

I was looking at Uncharted 4 to make a buy a PS4 but its delayed now. Point for me is new shit to get excited about though, like think back how Bioshock was new, I don't want Bioshock 4 or Ass Creed 11. Ass Creed was new back then. Crysis was new and doing something amazing. Uncharted was new and exciting, not really wanting U4 but I'll take it and no its delayed anyway. I want the Uncharted replacement, the Bioshock replacement. Not the same game with wet looking roads like Infamous

PGR4 was released in 2007, you could say Driveclub is a counter but its really only got weather, its a pretty dull game compared to PGR. Widespread reviews also show this. I know some really like it on Neogaf but PGR it ain't, there's no conspiracy in reviews.

Also using the gamespot video you have Skate and Rock Band, Skate had excitement in the industry, it's not something I'd buy but I appreciate what was happening in the second year. I look now and its really a dearth of games or ideas. I also had some form of Gran turismo on PS3 in October via demo and bought GT5P in Dec 2007, where the hell is everything?
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In development? We already know about games like Scalebound and Quantum Break, we know that companies like Guerrilla, Sony Bend and Media Molecule (to name but three) are working on new IP, we're seeing mid-tier exclusives in development like Rime and Tomorrow Children that are new IP, so just give it some time. This generation isn't exactly old and was also impacted by the lenth of the last gen, with some great games appearing at the tail-end, like The Last of Us.

E3 will probably paint a clearer picture about what's in development.

Also, Sunset Overdrive is new IP and technically, Bloodborne is as well. Ryse and The Order count as well as course, but failed to deliver. I believe Venerendus when he said it's gonna be a great generation, but patience is a virtue.

Nobody forces you to buy a PS4 right now (even though over 20 million people already did).
That said, between Helldivers, Bloodborne, Jamestown + and Axiom Verge this is one helluva month to dive in.
 
All those concern article will become moot in a short while. We all need some need blood, but it's coming guys, it's coming soon.
 
I Wanna Be The Guy said:
My statement?


The idea that most people play modern games on PC or have a PC capable of running modern games well is false. I do not have a gaming PC.
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You specifically mentioned "superior indie support."
 
Gunstar Ikari said:
This is price gamers pay for letting AAA games dominate the console scene.

I can't speak for him, but I personally don't give a shit about a single game currently available on PS4 or Xbox One.
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Its subjective as everyone says, as a Ps4 gamer I see people posting lists of WiiU games...am I supposed to be gushing to play them or something ?

Everybody has their own tastes and favourites and genres that bore them to tears.

For me 2D games and platformers bore me to tears, cant play for more than 10 minutes before I move on ....everybody is really that different.

I only engage in 3D shooters and action adventure with some RPG stuff thrown in , and mainly online coop is my thing with a controller, and so Ps4 or Xb1 is my only choice.

Only Zelda would be of interest on WiiU, maybe Bayo 2 but they would not be must haves as I prefer coop and would rank behind even Dying light and Handome Jack...and that's if I got the WiiU and games for free it would still be relegated.
 
Neff said:
To be fair, Wii U's first year is still pretty great for exclusives. Mario U, ZombiU, Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 are all a cut above for their respective genres. Mario 3D World, which missed the first year mark by days only, is sublime. If people keep bringing Wii U's library up and holding it up as a standard, that's because for one thing it's generally under-appreciated in terms of both sales and exposure, and for another, it is a damn good library.
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They're good, but NSMB U was no longer sustaining itself on oldschool novelty, having spent a week with Zombie U, it's much better than I thought it would be, but with some definite flaws, Pikmin 3 didn't really bring anything significantly new to the table compared to even the first game and W101 is the very definition of a game with extremely limited appeal, loved by a few, while unappealing to the majority.

Even 3D World, while one of my favourite games on the WiiU, is a pretty middling 3D Mario. Superior to Sunshine and 3D Land, sure, but better than Mario 64, Galaxy and Galaxy 2? Come on.

Again, it's got some damned good, classic games, but people do have a tendency to over egg it something fierce.

I'm British as well, it was just funny to hear it used in the context of hypothetically lambasting a games console.
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Fair enough mate!
 
seady said:
Wii U is the new Gamecube.

Underrated and ignored by many, even the 'critics'.
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How can it be underrated if it just sucks? The Nintendo games are fun but after you are done with them there is nothing interesting on the console (don't like Bayo). Glad I sold it.

Edit: Better wording is: Not liked by many. Some may think it doesn't suck but that doesn't devalue the opinion on those disappointed by the system.
 
Magic Mushroom said:
In development? We already know about games like Scalebound and Quantum Break, we know that companies like Guerrilla, Sony Bend and Media Molecule (to name but three) are working on new IP, we're seeing mid-tier exclusives in development like Rime and Tomorrow Children that are new IP, so just give it some time. This generation isn't exactly old and was also impacted by the lenth of the last gen, with some great games appearing at the tail-end, like The Last of Us.

E3 will probably paint a clearer picture about what's in development.

Also, Sunset Overdrive is new IP and technically, Bloodborne is as well. Ryse and The Order count as well as course, but failed to deliver. I believe Venerendus when he said it's gonna be a great generation, but patience is a virtue.

Nobody forces you to buy a PS4 right now (even though over 20 million people already did).
That said, between Helldivers, Bloodborne, Jamestown + and Axiom Verge this is one helluva month to dive in.
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Scalebound, what have we seen? Has it got any date? I can't form any opinion about it. I can only take onboard your TLOU point, it was late and could easily be just a PS4 game. It's no that Ryse is not new that's the point or there's some game called Tomorrow Children in development, I don't claim there's zero games coming or no new ip's. It seems you just bolded my last five words and went from there without any context.
 
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