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[Phoenician_Viking]

I am so tired of the shitty narrative that somehow multiplatform and downloadable games don't count. And lol at the WiiU having the best games on consoles.

You're definitely right, but that has nothing to do with it. The title is great console games, not good selling console games.

And people buy these gmaes because they consider them great games.

 

[ZeMMiK]

Indy is the new AAA...

 

[ninjablade]

bloodborn, witcher 3 and batman are gonna be amazing.

 

[amstradcpc]

Where are all the great gaming journalists?.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Where are all the great gaming journalists?.

I was going to write that. Fucking click bait journalism.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Its subjective as everyone says, as a Ps4 gamer I see people posting lists of WiiU games...am I supposed to be gushing to play them or something ?

Everybody has their own tastes and favourites and genres that bore them to tears.

For me 2D games and platformers bore me to tears, cant play for more than 10 minutes before I move on ....everybody is really that different.

I only engage in 3D shooters and action adventure with some RPG stuff thrown in , and mainly online coop is my thing with a controller, and so Ps4 or Xb1 is my only choice.

Only Zelda would be of interest on WiiU, maybe Bayo 2 but they would not be must haves as I prefer coop and would rank behind even Dying light and Handome Jack...and that's if I got the WiiU and games for free it would still be relegated.

I think their point is that at least on Wii U, there are games that are considered good that you can't get anywhere else.

Most of your 3D shooters and action adventure games are also on PC. You can play online co-op with a controller on PC. You may not care about buying a PC and prefer using a console, but you preferring to use a console doesn't mean the console's library is suddenly bolstered with a bunch of great exclusive games. It just means you don't have any interest in the other platform those games are on, so your only option to play them is on a console.

If you view it through the lens of someone who owns no next gen consoles or a PC, even the people who like 3D shooters and action adventure games would probably be better served buying a PC right now then any console on the market. At least with the Wii U, if you DO like 2D platformers and other games Nintendo makes, they have those types of games AND you can't get those games anywhere else.

I am so tired of the shitty narrative that somehow multiplatform and downloadable games don't count. And lol at the WiiU having the best games on consoles.


And people buy these gmaes because they consider them great games.

This is just false. Look at how many people bought Destiny on hype and how many people complain about it now. Just because someone buys a game doesn't mean they think it's great. How would they even know it's great until after they purchased it and played it anyway?

 

[Zweisy1]

If it wasn't for the brilliant Resogun I would have basically zero reason to play on my PS4 over my PC.
Still the best game on the system and even more so after the DLC packs.

Wii U has a pretty solid library overall but if it was my only platform I don't think I'd be all that satisfied. Qq

 

[Nintendojitsu]

Where are all the great gaming journalists?.

for truth

 

[PetrCobra]

On the Wii U.

This was the reply I had in mind when I clicked on the thread. Nicely done.

 

[Mr. X]

If we are talking games from giant pubs, dev time is way longer and expensive, I think they played it wait and see because the fear of poor adoption of systems.

I think it's unreasonable to expect something revolutionary, there isnt a huge jump in tech or power like to ps1, to ps2, to ps3.

 

[geordiemp]

I think their point is that at least on Wii U, there are games that are considered good that you can't get anywhere else.

Most of your 3D shooters and action adventure games are also on PC. You can play online co-op with a controller on PC. You may not care about buying a PC and prefer using a console, but you preferring to use a console doesn't mean the console's library is suddenly bolstered with a bunch of great exclusive games. It just means you don't have any interest in the other platform those games are on, so your only option to play them is on a console.

If you view it through the lens of someone who owns no next gen consoles or a PC, even the people who like 3D shooters and action adventure games would probably be better served buying a PC right now then any console on the market. At least with the Wii U, if you DO like 2D platformers and other games Nintendo makes, they have those types of games AND you can't get those games anywhere else.

This is just false. Look at how many people bought Destiny on hype and how many people complain about it now. Just because someone buys a game doesn't mean they think it's great. How would they even know it's great until after they purchased it and played it anyway?

Oh I agree, that's why I have no real desire in the WiiU games at the moment and have 2 x 360's and 2 x Ps4's with 2 x Tv's next to each other. They fit how and what we play.

Cant remember the last local multiplayer game I bought, for us its online only we like having 50 inch screens each and sharing only the sofa.

2 PC's would be just too much, I could afford it but it would be a pain with an 11 year old farting around with settings etc......will build one at end of this year for VR, my checklist of things i want and rate in gaming is best served by what I have.

Hope Nintendo Nx is a big portable screen, would be interested when travelling..... don't like small screens at all, we bought a Vita and it collects dust, don't play on Iphone either.

 

[wildfire]

I don't think so.

The Wii U has definitely had some very solid exclusives (I own one) but can you really say that there has been a game on the Wii U that has greatly shown innovation? Innovation to the point in which many games will mimic what that game did from here on out this gen?

This argument is a non-sequitur. Even when Nintendo does innovate it's not like 3rd parties care to follow their lead on design after the N64 days.


Anyway one example where I feel Nintendo innovated admirably is how they handled Rusty Real Deal baseball. Making IAP transactions actually part of the gameplay with the haggling system and giving Rusty a backstory that makes haggling with him a provocative experience are clever.

 

[ninjablade]

I think their point is that at least on Wii U, there are games that are considered good that you can't get anywhere else.

Most of your 3D shooters and action adventure games are also on PC. You can play online co-op with a controller on PC. You may not care about buying a PC and prefer using a console, but you preferring to use a console doesn't mean the console's library is suddenly bolstered with a bunch of great exclusive games. It just means you don't have any interest in the other platform those games are on, so your only option to play them is on a console.

If you view it through the lens of someone who owns no next gen consoles or a PC, even the people who like 3D shooters and action adventure games would probably be better served buying a PC right now then any console on the market. At least with the Wii U, if you DO like 2D platformers and other games Nintendo makes, they have those types of games AND you can't get those games anywhere else.

This is just false. Look at how many people bought Destiny on hype and how many people complain about it now. Just because someone buys a game doesn't mean they think it's great. How would they even know it's great until after they purchased it and played it anyway?

naw i rather buy a ps4, i get a better deal on the hardware, and i can guarantee that i can play great exclusives from sony like the last of us, uncharted, DC, bloodborn and the next GT, not to mention i don't have to wait ages for the next rockstar games.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

naw i rather buy a ps4, i get a better deal on the hardware, and i can guarantee that i can play great exclusives from sony like the last of us, uncharted, bloodborn and the next GT, not to mention i dont have to wait ages for the next rockstar games.

I mean, half your list is comprised of games that aren't out yet, and won't be out for a while. You're not making a very good argument of why someone should buy a PS4 over a PC right now, which is the point the video is trying to make. That right now, there aren't many great console games. Not in six months, not next year. Right now.

And out of the games that you listed that are out right now, one of them is just a port of a PS3 game, and I don't think a port of a game from a previous gen should be counted towards great exclusive games for the system more then any other cross gen title should. If you have a PS3 or want to spend less you could still play Last of Us without ever needing a PS4. In fact, buying a PS3 if you don't own one would be a way better investment then buying a PS4 right now.

 

[Aaron D.]

Indy is the new AAA...

Whether this was said in jest or not, I do think there's some truth to this.

I know for myself that I'm personally fatigued with AAA gaming bombast. I know many others are as well. Nothing wrong with Micheal Bay gaming, but it strikes me as incredibly one-note.

I'm getting far more mileage out of lower-budget productions. Cities: Skylines, Kerbal Space Program, Gone Home, Farming Simulator, Crusader Kings, Life Is Strange and more. These games feel fresh and authentic. Not designed by committee as so many big-budget games tend to feel.

Unfortunately, consoles are lagging behind a bit on the Digital Distribution front, so most of the games I listed are PC exclusive...consequently where I'm getting most of my kicks these days. So in my mind there is a valid argument to be made from the Gamespot article. Though that is admittedly based on my personal tastes trending over the past few years.

Fortunately, consoles are picking up steam (lol) on digital distribution, and we're slowly seeing many indie/mid-tier titles make the leap from PC to console.

I honestly think the $20-$40 game is where the most exciting stuff is happening in gaming today, and I feel there's a growing disillusion with behemoth AAA productions, both on a quality and content scale. I don't think either is going anywhere or anything, but it's certainly refreshing as hell to see creative & inspired works being released directly to a starving audience now that digital distribution has swept aside the traditional big-publisher gatekeepers.

It's an exciting time to be a gamer!

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I think their point is that at least on Wii U, there are games that are considered good that you can't get anywhere else.

Most of your 3D shooters and action adventure games are also on PC. You can play online co-op with a controller on PC. You may not care about buying a PC and prefer using a console, but you preferring to use a console doesn't mean the console's library is suddenly bolstered with a bunch of great exclusive games. It just means you don't have any interest in the other platform those games are on, so your only option to play them is on a console.

If you view it through the lens of someone who owns no next gen consoles or a PC, even the people who like 3D shooters and action adventure games would probably be better served buying a PC right now then any console on the market. At least with the Wii U, if you DO like 2D platformers and other games Nintendo makes, they have those types of games AND you can't get those games anywhere else.

This is just false. Look at how many people bought Destiny on hype and how many people complain about it now. Just because someone buys a game doesn't mean they think it's great. How would they even know it's great until after they purchased it and played it anyway?

Really? Show me the links to confirm your statement. Millions of people bought and enjoy Destiney.

 

[ninjablade]

I mean, half your list is comprised of games that aren't out yet, and won't be out for a while. You're not making a very good argument of why someone should buy a PS4 over a PC right now, which is the point the video is trying to make. That right now, there aren't many great console games. And out of the games that you listed that are out right now, one of them is just a port of a PS3 game, and I don't think a port of a game from a previous gen should be counted towards great exclusive games for the system more then any other cross gen title should. If you have a PS3 or want to spend less you could still play Last of Us without ever needing a PS4. In fact, buying a PS3 if you don't own one would be a way better investment then buying a PS4 right now.

why would i buy a pc for 400$ right right now over a ps4, atleast with a PS4 i will get much better looking games, more powerful hardware compared to a 400$ pc and i'm guaranteed some great exclusives from sony.

 

[Munkybhai]

Really? Show me the links to confirm your statement. Millions of people bought and enjoy Destiney.

Would not the mediocre metacritic user score of 6.2 suggest that most people found it mediocre?

 

[brett2]

That is a really well done and fair video. It's interesting though that the first response here nails it (Wii U) but the video doesn't even mention it besides noting that he owns one. I personally couldn't be happier with the Wii U and I'm only starting to see interesting games coming out this year for PS4/XB1. Even if the Wii U drops dead in 2016 it was still a solid investment. Hopefully PS4/XB1 will really start to take off as the Wii U declines and then they will finally be worth the investment.

 

[Nicktendo86]

On the Wii U.

Give this man member status.

I have been bleating on for some time that gaming, in its current model, is in trouble. Sales of the ps4 have been great but I don't see how long the momentum can last, people must realise at some point that the amount of truly great games on it are few and far between. We have had studios fold, publishers retreating to less risky projects and the rise of the yearly franchises.

I hope things change. Making AAA games is just too expensive now and less and less risky games will be made. I just hope Nintendo's ventures into health and mobile can help fund their transitional business and will continue to fund interesting and risky projects like the platinum games and new IP like splatoon.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Really? Show me the links to confirm your statement. Millions of people bought and enjoy Destiney.

Where did I say no one enjoyed Destiny? I think the more appropriate thing would be for you to provide me a link that can prove that everyone who bought Destiny thinks it's a great game. Because that's a silly thing to claim. If you need proof that there are people that don't like things about Destiny then just search up some old Destiny threads here, when the game came out there were definitely people who were not pleased with their purchase.

The purchase comes because the evaluation of quality anyway, it has to. There is no way to tell if a game is good or bad until after you purchase it and play it. Are you saying that simply because someone buys a game that they must think it's a great game? Because that's some pretty faulty logic.

why would i buy a pc for 400$ right right now over a ps4, atleast with a PS4 i will get much better looking games, more powerful hardware compared to a 400$ pc and i'm guaranteed some great exclusives from sony.

You not wanting to pay the money for a PC doesn't change the fact that there aren't a lot of great games exclusive to consoles right now. Just because you want a PS4 more then a PC doesn't mean that the libraries for these systems are suddenly changed. I never argued that a console wasn't a cheaper alternative to a PC, honestly I don't know why you're even bringing price into the conversation as it doesn't prove any point I am trying to make wrong. I'm arguing that the library on consoles is lacking when compared to it's competition. I don't see how you pointing out that a PS4 is cheaper then a good PC changes the fact that most of the good games you could play on the PS4 are also on PC.

And again, your future great exclusives argument has no meaning to this conversation, as the whole basis of the video is that RIGHT NOW there aren't a lot of great exclusive games on consoles. I'd also argue that assuming quality because of the company behind the product is foolish at this point after looking at how badly some of the exclusives for this generation have been received so far. People were hyped to shit for the Order 6 months ago, and I'm sure a bunch of people thought it would be a great game to buy the system for. Look at how that turned out.

Going "But it costs more to make a good PC." is not a counter to the idea that consoles are lacking great exclusives in any way.

 

[The Red Wizard]

I thought that I was in the Steam thread. Oops.

 

[geordiemp]

Give this man member status.

I have been bleating on for some time that gaming, in its current model, is in trouble. Sales of the ps4 have been great but I don't see how long the momentum can last, people must realise at some point that the amount of truly great games on it are few and far between. .

No it is not, EA, Activision etc are ecstatic with their sales and numbers., its just you like your Niche games on WiiU and have your preferences.

There is nothing wrong with the model, big publishers release big games, sell 15 million copies and are rolling in it. People who like these games like me are happy to play them.

Doubt anyone from Rockstar has doom and gloom in their vocabulary...

It may not fit your tastes, but that is your issue.

 

[Plinko]

I know I did. I also mentioned third party support.

And at this point I would again argue (much like the entire point of the video in the OP) that most of the third-party games on consoles today are also on PC.

 

[Forkball]

There have already been many good titles this gen, but the delays are definitely frustrating. They delayed Arkham Knight nearly a year. Certainly with good reason, but why even suggest that the game would be coming out within months when it's clearly got a ton of work left? Same with Witcher 3. It's also a bit lame to see developers pushing out remasters instead of new titles. Imagine if we got GTA San Andreas and Halo 2 remastered in 2006 for Xbox 360 instead of new games.

 

[Percy]

Sales of the ps4 have been great but I don't see how long the momentum can last, people must realise at some point that the amount of truly great games on it are few and far between.

If you completely ignore multiplatform releases, then it's still entirely subjective tho.

Would not the mediocre metacritic user score of 6.2 suggest that most people found it mediocre?

Hahaha!

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

Danny O Dwyer does good work.

I like him also seems to be a genuine nice guy

 

[Orayn]

Would not the mediocre metacritic user score of 6.2 suggest that most people found it mediocre?

No, it wouldn't. Metacritic user scores aren't determined by "most people," especially not for polarizing games that motivated certain people to give extremely low ratings to voice their displeasure.

 

[Kimawolf]

No it is not, EA, Activision etc are ecstatic with their sales and numbers., its just you like your Niche games on WiiU and have your preferences.

There is nothing wrong with the model, big publishers release big games, sell 15 million copies and are rolling in it. People who like these games like me are happy to play them.

It may not fit your tastes, but that is your issue.

Your huge AAA games are niche in the overall market of videogames so you are just as
much of a niche gamer as the Wii U guys. and those games you love kill studios off.

Honestly PS4 and XB1 are lacking in games. You can tell because people claim the best game of this gen on ps4 for instance is a LAST GEN game. PC and Wii U give you the best of both worlds.

 

[ninjablade]

And again, your future great exclusives argument has no meaning to this conversation, as the whole basis of the video is that RIGHT NOW there aren't a lot of great exclusive games on consoles. I'd also argue that assuming quality because of the company behind the product is foolish at this point after looking at how badly some of the exclusives for this generation have been received so far. People were hyped to shit for the Order 6 months ago, and I'm sure a bunch of people thought it would be a great game to buy the system for. Look at how that turned out.

Going "But it costs more to make a good PC." is not a counter to the idea that consoles are lacking great exclusives in any way.

first off this you brought up the PC as a better alternative to a ps4, and this video is not about exclusives, its about great console games that can also be on PC. did you even watch the video?

 

[echoshifting]

There have already been many good titles this gen, but the delays are definitely frustrating. They delayed Arkham Knight nearly a year. Certainly with good reason, but why even suggest that the game would be coming out within months when it's clearly got a ton of work left? Same with Witcher 3. It's also a bit lame to see developers pushing out remasters instead of new titles. Imagine if we got GTA San Andreas and Halo 2 remastered in 2006 for Xbox 360 instead of new games.

That might have worked out a lot better actually

 

[GoaThief]

Also on PC. The article is asking specifically about console games.

No it clearly is not, although it pretends to be. It's flawed from the off in various ways as I and others have alluded to already. People have mentioned The Witcher and Crysis with no comment from you AFAIK.

Gears of War, Ghost Recon, Oblivion, Portal and a bunch of others were referred to in the video as console games yet all were on PC, and arguably better there at that.

Video is not good.

*edit

the whole basis of the video is that RIGHT NOW there aren't a lot of great exclusive games on consoles.

No, you're wrong on both counts. It explicitly says good games not great, and many of the old games in the video are not console exclusives.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Hahaha!

How is that a funny response to someone asking people to prove that there were people who bought Destiny that didn't enjoy it?

 

[dragonfart28]

On the Wii U.

10/10

 

[Griss]

On the Wii U.

I usually don't join quote trains, but this is my answer so there it is.

 

[Nicktendo86]

No it is not, EA, Activision etc are ecstatic with their sales and numbers., its just you like your Niche games on WiiU and have your preferences.

There is nothing wrong with the model, big publishers release big games, sell 15 million copies and are rolling in it. People who like these games like me are happy to play them.

Doubt anyone from Rockstar has doom and gloom in their vocabulary...

It may not fit your tastes, but that is your issue.

You seem to have completely missed my point. Publishers sell large amounts and rake in money by focusing on yearly installments of the same games, that is not healthy for the long term survival of the industry. The variety of games will dwindle and dwindle and publishers become even more risk adverse.

I really don't think the current model can survive long term.

Edit: maybe I am just being a Debbie Downer but I hope I am wrong.

 

[D-VoN]

Yes, we all know the WiiU has a great library but it has been out for one more year than the Xbox One and PS4.

If PS4 puts out Disgaea 5, Persona 5, Uncharted 4 and Kingdom Hearts III out along with Bloodborne, we could be looking at a stellar year for exclusives IMO. Also, don't forget about Everyone's Gone to the Rapture, and No Man's Sky.

 

[RPGamer92]

Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Batman, MGS V, Persona 5 and Battlefront aren't great console games? Not to mention upcoming stuff like Uncharted 4, Fallout 4, etc.

 

[pizzacat]

God damn all of the games I'm enjoying don't exist according to irishdanny22

 

[geordiemp]

Your huge AAA games are niche in the overall market of videogames so you are just as
much of a niche gamer as the Wii U guys. and those games you love kill studios off.

.

You misuse the word Niche, If I play COD, GTA and Destiny and they have sold around 15 million or more each (who cares exact numbers), they are anything but Niche. LOL. Niche is stuff that struggles to get to a million.

You seem to have completely missed my point. Publishers sell large amounts and rake in money by focusing on yearly instalments of the same games, that is not healthy for the long term survival of the industry.

I agree with COD, milked a bit too much, Destiny is new IP and GTA not really annual. However, I have been gaming for 30 years and nothing is really new (except when motion controls came in with Wii Move and Kinect). Everything is an evolution of whats gone before...I am OK with that.

The new IP, new experience, dat next gen gameplay is just a lot of hot air.....There is enough variety, TLOU was new, Destiny is new, Evolve is new, Bloodborne is new.....there is not really a problem........

Execution is what's important, and at the moment online coop games and modes are high on the list of successful games - I like this, maybe its not for many but it floats my boat...

Pick most of the top 10 games in sales any month, and most of them can be played together online. It does not surprise me.

 

[Petrae]

Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Batman, MGS V, Persona 5 and Battlefront aren't great console games? Not to mention upcoming stuff like Uncharted 4, Fallout 4, etc.

They might end up being great, but they aren't finished yet and therefore can't be included in the discussion.

 

[Rising_Hei]

Yes, we all know the WiiU has a great library but it has been out for one more year than the Xbox One and PS4.

If PS4 puts out Disgaea 5, Persona 5, Uncharted 4 and Kingdom Hearts III out along with Bloodborne, we could be looking at a stellar year for exclusives IMO. Also, don't forget about Everyone's Gone to the Rapture, and No Man's Sky.

Not releasing this year.

 

[danmaku]

I think their point is that at least on Wii U, there are games that are considered good that you can't get anywhere else.

Most of your 3D shooters and action adventure games are also on PC. You can play online co-op with a controller on PC. You may not care about buying a PC and prefer using a console, but you preferring to use a console doesn't mean the console's library is suddenly bolstered with a bunch of great exclusive games. It just means you don't have any interest in the other platform those games are on, so your only option to play them is on a console.

If you view it through the lens of someone who owns no next gen consoles or a PC, even the people who like 3D shooters and action adventure games would probably be better served buying a PC right now then any console on the market. At least with the Wii U, if you DO like 2D platformers and other games Nintendo makes, they have those types of games AND you can't get those games anywhere else.

I struggle to understand why you give so much value to exclusivity, as if your enjoyment of a game is somehow lessened by the fact that other versions exist. It's a thing that never crosses my mind.

 

[Orayn]

How is that a funny response to someone asking people to prove that there were people who bought Destiny that didn't enjoy it?

There is a very big difference between "most people found it mediocre" and "a non-zero number of people who bought it didn't like it." A middling Metacritic user score only indicates the latter.

 

[Percy]

Yes, we all know the WiiU has a great library but it has been out for one more year than the Xbox One and PS4.

By the time Wii U was on the market for as long as PS4/XB1 have currently been it had already had several genuinely great exclusive titles released on it though.

 

[Regulus Tera]

So, basically what the Super Bunnyhop review video from yesterday was saying?

 

[Kinthalis]

why would i buy a pc for 400$ right right now over a ps4, atleast with a PS4 i will get much better looking games,

WRONG.

more powerful hardware compared to a 400$ pc

On paper, yes. In terms of actual real world performance, no. Sadly. Also, you cnaupgrade a $400 PC in 2 years and make it more powerful than a PS4 will ever hope to be. Not so with a PS4.

[/QUOTE] and i'm guaranteed some great exclusives from sony.[/QUOTE]

You got one right at least. But meh.

 

[mrklaw]

THQ went under.



What part of "you don't need a gaming PC to run these titles" do you guys just not understand?

Indie games maybe. But the mass appeal big titles definitely need more than the crappy mass market laptops you get from PC. Especially as those are often i3-4010u low voltage models these days, so even the improved IGP from intel in recent generations isn't so great.

 

[redcrayon]

Have you played DA:O ?
DA:I and DA2 are games I choose to disassociate with the original.
It's not about elitism or anything like that. I played and loved DA:O - those two games which are supposed sequels are just insulting to me. Probably a lot of the original fans of DA:O feel the same way, BioWare has gone in a direction which alienates a large portion of the audience which made Dragon Age successful to begin with.

I did play DA: O, and Awakening. I enjoyed it on my PC, and then enjoyed it on the PS3 as well (although I found the radial menus a bit awkward).

I think it was Dragon Age II that did the most damage to the franchise, not DA: I which has had a far better critical reception.

 

[ninjablade]

WRONG.

I think you misunderstood me here, PC will always have the best looking games depending on your rig, but a 400-700$ PC right now cannot touch the order, DC or second son graphics, he said why would a person choose a ps4 over PC, and i gave him reasons why, but he ignores them.