ConfusingJazz
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I can understand trying to curb cachelorette parties, as they can get annoying as hell. I just think the excuse was a bit flimsy, and they didn't want to be honest about it.
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Gay bar bans bachelorette parties
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Sho_Nuff82
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Do you really not understand why this analogy is broken?
Hint: There is no gay privilege in this scenario.
It's more like "Until we are allowed access to the same fountain, no one gets a water fountain, deal with it."
T.M. MacReady
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Take away other people's rights and freedoms to gain your own?
eh, not sure if thats the right course of action
eh, not sure if thats the right course of action
MilesWebber
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Having worked in a lot of gay bars I am so happy this place has done this. Whenever we had a batchelorette party come in I always felt like they treated the gay bar like some kind of zoo.
Its uncomfortable when your at a place and expect to be able to relax and be yourself and there's a group of people there thinking the entire crowd is some kind of entertainment.
Its uncomfortable when your at a place and expect to be able to relax and be yourself and there's a group of people there thinking the entire crowd is some kind of entertainment.
Wolfe
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It kind of surprises me that people are having a hard time seeing it this way, instead it's all just "lolol learn how to run a business dood" or "you're no better off than the people discriminating against gays!".
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I live in L.A., and even though I'm straight I've been to The Abbey a couple times. Also, driving on Santa Monica Blvd I pass by it a lot. That place is PACKED on weekends so tight you can barely move around. The line to get in extends out in front of neighboring businesses. Chances are the owner is losing no money at all by banning bachelorette parties.
Deified Data
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Fair. Reminds me of the gay judge who refused to marry straight couples until gays could marry. It's a thoughtful protest. There are other places, and certainly other gay bars, that would more than welcome the business. This one establishment refusing them service isn't going to hurt them any.
The indignation in his thread is amusing.
I don't see how this is a bad thing. The owner is using what resources he has at hand to raise awareness of an issue that means a lot to him. Even if it gets one woman to reconsider her stance on gay marriage and be more supportive when otherwise she wouldn't have given it a second thought, then he has been successful.
I don't see how this is a bad thing. The owner is using what resources he has at hand to raise awareness of an issue that means a lot to him. Even if it gets one woman to reconsider her stance on gay marriage and be more supportive when otherwise she wouldn't have given it a second thought, then he has been successful.
PhoenixDark
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While I certainly understand people being upset, I can't agree with this. I'm not sure discriminating against a small group of people is fair in response to being discriminated against yourself. And I do kind of cringe at calling this discrimination or comparing it to what gay people are faced with, but it's still people being treated differently for no good reason.
Soulscribe
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This.
If you look at it from the perspective of the women celebrating an impending wedding, don't you think it's a bit insensitive to do so in a place where the majority customer base are fighting for that same right? It's a bit self-absorbed to me.
Deified Data
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They can have their party anywhere. You're right, their situations aren't similar in any way, shape, or form, so there's really no comparison.
PhoenixDark
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I don't support businesses discriminating though. It's not hard to come up with a comparable situation based on race
Oppo
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I totally discriminate against neo nazis and would throw them out of my bar.
No it's not the same. But they've banned an event, if a straight bar did that an just said "those events are a pain in the ass" no one would blink.
I understand what you're saying and am entirely on your side with this.
From what I've heard, women really need a bar to go to where they won't get creeped on; at least in Raleigh. Gay bars are the universal choice for these sorts of events.
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Fers: Do you tire of large groups of straight women at these clubs? One of my favorite bars became a lesbian bar at some point last year. It become increasingly awkward to buy girls drinks to initiate conversation and I gave up that bar entirely.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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No, it's the idea that it just comes off as petty. It's not accomplishing anything, no one is taking this as a serious protest, you're just pissing off customers and I would be surprised if the chicks going to gay bars are hard right-wingers who hate gay people. It's just a store owner possibly its customers and losing business.
This is exactly what I was expecting to hear. I assumed that most would feel patronized.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Ron Paul supporters hate you.
Deified Data
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It's like...a healthy child having her birthday in a terminal cancer ward where no one present is going to live more than a month or so. It's inappropriate.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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:lol You couldn't have made a worse comparison if you tried. Yes, it's exactly like your example. EXACTLY.
Deified Data
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Glad you agree, it really is an apt comparison. It's so apt I can't see a hint of sarcasm in your post as I'm blinded by my own accomplishment.
I don't think banning bachelorette parties is tantamount to discriminating against straight women altogether.
The Incarnation
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Maybe those jealous gays are just people who don't want be looked at as source of entertainment by groups of women, and find such attention dehumanizing.
No it wouldn't.
This isn't discrimination. It's not a ban on a certain type of people, it's a ban on a certain type of event from taking place on the premises.
Escape Goat
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I understand what you're saying and am entirely on your side with this.
From what I've heard, women really need a bar to go to where they won't get creeped on; at least in Raleigh. Gay bars are the universal choice for these sorts of events.
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One of my favorite bars became a lesbian bar at some point last year. It become increasingly awkward to buy girls drinks to initiate conversation and I gave up that bar entirely.
Thats what my girl friends say. They want to go dance and not get grinded on. I don't have a problem with women at the bar. Once you move out on to the dance floor its so big that the large groups of women aren't a problem (or any large group). Its in the bar/cabaret area that it gets on my nerves.
Wolfe
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It's not accomplishing anything? That's just straight up false, it's causing discussion for one. Also I'm sure the people that side with him are taking it seriously. Whether good or bad it's definitely accomplishing something.
What? This makes no sense at all to me (poor analogy incoming), it would be like if some guy couldn't buy a car (for whatever reason) and I said "to be fair to that guy, I don't even own a car. So I don't understand why he's upset that he can only rent one."
Is it really that hard to place yourself in his position for a second? Are people just not very empathetic?
I'll say this much: the explosion of interest in the gay scene by straight women in the '90s was when it shifted from being the scene that was the vanguard of new music and fashions for three decades running, and instead turned into a backwards-looking bad disco and pop revival.
krypt0nian
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Amen, but I have to say that this thread was so worthy it for Copericus' little break from reality.
GungHo
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Dudes are about as welcome as a turd in a punch bowl at a lesbian bar. I've had several lesbian friends, and while they'd invite me to come out for drinks, I only made the mistake of actually going twice. The first time I thought it was just an off night. The second time the bartender was kind enough to clue me in that it didn't matter that I wasn't looking at women or hitting on them. I was in their space.
That's because it is. That's a whole different situation from "going out with 'the girls'" when your "girls" may not all have the same equipment. It's a lot closer to the human zoo people mentioned above. If you were a bunch of white dudes going to a blues bar to take pictures of "the black man in his natural environment", you'd rightly get the shit kicked out of you.
These women already love gays. Frankly, I'm a little sick of them at gay clubs, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
I also only really go to gay clubs like The Abbey when I get dragged there.
I wouldn't even go that far. Some of them do, some of them just think they're doing something "wild" and "freaky" by having a bachelorette party at a gay bar.
Fury Sense
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This thread proves it's working. I support.
Angry Grimace
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This doesn't sound like the right tactic at all since girls that have bachelorette parties at gay bars probably already support Gay Marriage.
krypt0nian
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No, because they are just banning the idiotic parties. Girls are more than welcome.
out0v0rder
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Owners of private establishments should be able to allow or disallow anyone they please. Sweet.
CommonSense
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I am betting you're the same guy who would shit a brick if a night club didn't allow gay themed parties.
This club is bullshit.....fuck it.
krypt0nian
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Believe me. I've been at bars when this is happening. It's all part of it.
The regulars will cheer.
That probably is the real reason, and I strongly suspect that the explanation they're offering is a little disingenuous. Either way, I don't object.
but he got publicity and discussion so it's been effective
Foxy Fox 39
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Am I the only one who keeps reading gay bear?
And yes, drunk girls can be annoying.
But I kind of grok what this guy is doing. It's just a delicate and non-offensive way to make a point and share the pain of the ban of sorts. Sure he'll take a hit, but he's willing to do that to let people know how it is to want to do something and not be allowed to. And it's another way to remind the straights that we all share the same planet, but not everyone is considered equal. It's easy to forget that when everyone is having a good time. I'm sure he isn't going to toss out a group of women if they show up with caps, looking for a good time. He may just explicitly ban batchelorette parties, he's not anti-hetero or anti-woman, he wants publicity for the cause, and he's getting it.
Deified Data
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It's not as bad as the Fight Club thread that's been floating around the front page...
CHEEZMO
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lol, you too eh?
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