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Gay game?
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Seventh Son
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I <3 Katamari
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I just don't understand why it matters. I think that 99% of developers, if they were to make a "gay game", it would be forced and there only to get attention. What kind of genre would it be? It would obviously have to be story-driven, like an RPG or an action game like MGS3. But then, why would it need to be two gay characters? Just so it's more "equal" or would it actually affect the game?
I just don't want the game equivelent of Brokeback Mountain - an above average movie that absolutely no one would have cared about if it weren't for the two lovers both being male. You think that if it were a male and female, it would still win awards and be such a big hit? Not a chance.
I just don't want the game equivelent of Brokeback Mountain - an above average movie that absolutely no one would have cared about if it weren't for the two lovers both being male. You think that if it were a male and female, it would still win awards and be such a big hit? Not a chance.
Naked Snake
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Foul Angel said:
Please don't post again.
Seventh Son
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over-sensitive aren't we?Naked Snake said:
I didnt mean to offend gay people with that post, nor with that vaan pic I posted. Stop taking everything so seriously, it was only a joke.
i also clearly said that it shouldnt be "serious". Thought that would give it away...but i was wrong so it seems.
Fallout-NL
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cybamerc said:
Willem Dafoe in Boondock Saints is pretty damn cool.
/edit: Oh someone already posted that.
Kroole said:
Most people in America can relate to a movie with white people in it so by your theory there is no need for black people in media (or gay/asain/mexican people and a lot of others for that matter) way off buddy. Not ALL games should be geared for what most people can relate to. I think its best to incorporate as many as you can actually.
Fallout-NL
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Kroole said:
The days of broadcasting for the masses are long gone.
C- Warrior
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Denying this girl...
...puts...
...in the red category
...puts...
...in the red category
Fallout-NL said:
QFT
C- Warrior said:Denying this girl...
...puts...
...in the red category
Well then Ryo Hazuki can join the club and he one ups him by looking for sailors...
I remember reading a mag on RE4 and I remember thinking the guy that made Leon looks a lot like him. Maybe he put some of himself in his character...
Mihyaeru said:
Um this hasn't a thing with being black/white or whatever. It has to do with male/female relationships which is the same wether you're black or white
Did I say that games/films should be geared towards a certain thing? No, but from a commercial stand-point there is no reason to have a gay couple as the main couple because it won't sell and my theory of that is that people in general can't relate to the feeling of loving someone (sexual) of the same gender because that's not natural for them.
EDIT: Me myself wouldn't mind a relationship in game of the same gender but I just don't think it would sell as good as the other way around. Simple as that.
Kroole said:
Certain core themes can be universal regardless of the couple involved..
I agree, though, that the commercial landscape is such that games with a fixed narrative involving, for example, a gay couple, are going to be very rare. But the beauty of games is that we should be able to control the story. Whereas you may follow a "straight" love story in your game, someone else might follow a gay one, in the same game. Some games are very open-ended, and they should allow for a choice like this. One of the ultimate goals I see many designers preach about is to provide a game where the player truly creates the story.
Kroole said:
People CAN relate and this would only help in that. How do you think brokeback did so well? I am gay and I can relate to straight people I see plenty of straight media & in person (which I like although I like to see gay people/shows too) and I know there's nothing wrong with straight people. (I know that may sound funny to you but o well) And there are open-minded straight people (god bless the few lol) As for gaming right now, it needs a big game with a gay theme and that could totally change peoples way of thinking about gay games. If it was an awesome game and had good advertising it could do great by the way, don't forget although it may seem like the average gamer may not consider this there cup of tea, there are MANY gay people and females who would eat it right up and it would actually bring new people into gaming and make it more open I think gay people would actually contribute to gaming.
Ps... Look at Yaoi in Japan. It sells great, And MOSTLY girls buy it too.
gofreak said:
I agree and the fact that we can do that makes games stand out.
Haven't seen it but what works in a movie may not work in a game. It's not like a lot of time and effort is devoted to story and character development in a videogame.Fallout-NL said:
But people can be black or something else without it affecting the story. People don't need to be told that the character is black because, unless you're blind, it's pretty damn obvious. Of course, it would be easy to include a flagrantly gay character but that wouldn't please you. Your argument is that a gay dude can look and act just like a straight one so in order to make sure that everyone understands that they're dealing with a gay character it would have to be explicitly stated or shown through some sort of homosexual act. And there's just no way that wouldn't feel forced in a videogame.Mihyaeru said:
Mr_Furious
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Sounds to me like you have a personal agenda you'd like to see imposed in a videogame so that others can understand your problems. Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun to play.Mihyaeru said:
So. Ultimately gaming is a business and has to appeal to gamers. Do you honestly feel that homosexual content a) has been lacking in games and/or b) has been stereotyped in such a way that you feel insulted? Companies have treaded sensitively in this territory (for the most part) but they've treaded none the less so I don't really understand your issue here. I'm only getting that vibe that you feel that only gay people can and should create gay games which is just silly (and wrong).Mihyaeru said:
DavidDayton said:
Achille's is only prompted to go to war when Patroclus is killed. Patroclus was his lover. The film glossed over this by making him his cousin. They also missed the bit where Achille's fell for Priam's son, and killed him because he would not succumb to his advances (it was also said that Troy would not fall if Priam's son lived till 20. Achilles thus went to kill him, but fell for him in the process..).
I <3 Katamari
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Mihyaeru said:
That's wrong. The fact is that most games and 95% of characters in games don't have ANY sexuality. They are not gay or straight.
But the reason you see straight relationships the great majority of the time is because that is what comes natural to the people developing it and what people will relate to. Quite a few more people are straight than gay. If straight developers put gay characters in a game, it will come off VERY forced and pointless a good 90% of the time. Would you rather have gay main characters in a game that are forced and put there to get attention (i.e. Fear Effect) or no gay characters at all?
Mihyaeru said:
I don't think so. People don't relate to characters because they are a color, because that is all it is: a color. People relate to characters because of emotions. If they share the same emotion of that character they can relate. For example, if a black person relates to a black character in the movie, it might be because that character is being racially harassed. The black person seeing it might relate to that because he too, may have been harassed due to the color of his skin. He does not relate to the color, but rather the situation that character is in.
White people don't watch movies and go "You know, I can relate to that because I'm white too!"
I feel sory for people who find it so hard to look at things from someone Else's perspective. And also find it hard to think outside of the box. But oh well change or be left behind while the rest of the world is. 
And to say gaming can't involve love (straight or gay) and still be fun is idiotic. I wish shenmue would have sold better so more people would understand games can be unconventional. I like how Jade empire and KOTOR put gay/bi people in there games and most straight people didn't even have to know if they didnt want to, but it was there for gay people kudos to bioware! Bye for now people.
And to say gaming can't involve love (straight or gay) and still be fun is idiotic. I wish shenmue would have sold better so more people would understand games can be unconventional. I like how Jade empire and KOTOR put gay/bi people in there games and most straight people didn't even have to know if they didnt want to, but it was there for gay people kudos to bioware! Bye for now people.demi said:
I don't even understand your response. Am I required to have interest in gay themed games? Last time I checked, we all have differing opinions in what we like, and the idea of gay themed game doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. What's supposed to be so appealing about a gay themed game anyhow?
I <3 Katamari
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Dr_Cogent said:
So if RE4 had a gay relationship in it between Leon and another guy, you wouldn't want to play it?
I <3 Katamari said:
:lol
What would be the point? Would it add to the story or gameplay? Being gay just for the sake of being gay seems pointless.
If there was a gay character in a game, that's one thing. Revolving an entire game around the idea is something completely different. I don't buy games for the purpose of trying to sell an idea or message to me. I am here to be entertained. I don't buy gay themed movies, so why would I want a gay themed game? I don't care if others want it, that's fine - but why am I required to have some interest in the thing? Just so I can be politically correct? Tell me, why is it so important that I care to have gay themed games?
I have a lot of interests and personal beliefs, but I am not dying to see them inserted into my games necessarily just because they are my personal interests or beliefs.
Mihyaeru said:
WTF is wrong with you? Did I say that I would not buy/play a game that has for example a main gay/lesbian couple? No I didn't so quit it. My reply was strictly about how the game I think would sell.
Mihyaeru said:
Actually I thought of Yaoi when I wrote it. I know yaoi sells (mostly to girls) but it doesn't sell as much as Shoujo manga and that's the thing. Most often you develop a product for the mass market such as the appeal of the product will satisfy MOST people.
What I'd like to see in this vein is a good action game where your buff manly character has to save his boyfriend, also a buff manly character. No androgynous designs or cliched swishy gags to provide more giggle material for the hetero kids who are still weirded out by the whole dudes loving dudes thing, just the same kind of basic "save the princess" plot we've had all along only sans princess.
Then do another one with two women, but without fanservice.
Then do another one with two women, but without fanservice.
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also, did you know Seger from Samurai Showdown 2 was a gay? It's true, cos my boss at SNK (many moons ago) told me.
also, did you know Seger from Samurai Showdown 2 was a gay? It's true, cos my boss at SNK (many moons ago) told me.
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E-Nature said:
I read it all! I am LE mature!
Escape Goat
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demi said:
:lol
Yaoi is gay porn/gay erotica/gay-theme stories aimed for women. It isn't like real gay porn/gay erotica/gay-theme stories intended for gay men. The majority of video game players are men. So no, you won't be seeing a "Yaoi" video game anytime soon, even though there is a fanbase that would buy them (a fanbase that is likely only in the thousands).
On a different note there's already tons of so-called boys love games available on the PC and even PS2, they're just in Japanese. And they're porn/watered-down porn.
On a different note there's already tons of so-called boys love games available on the PC and even PS2, they're just in Japanese. And they're porn/watered-down porn.
The problem with having a game that deals with homosexuality in a mature, interesting way at an intellectual level is that there really aren't all that many gay people working in the industry. Because the average game maker (and, let's be honest, consumer) is a 20-30 year old heterosexual white male, the industry's primary perspective is his. It's why black people are almost always either gangstas, rappers, or sports stars in games. It's why women are always shown to be sex objects instead of legitimate characters. It's unfortunate, and I'd love to see it change soon, but it doesn't look likely to happen with nothing but World War 2 and SciFi games where you kill things being released.
Another problem is the level of maturity of the medium in general. We're still having trouble justifying ourselves as art to the general public, and we have to overcome that before we can really start exploring our own medium in any sort of mass-market sense. We won't get our Brokeback Mountain for some time, because we're still at the "A train pulls up to the station!" silent film stage, so to speak.
Another problem is the level of maturity of the medium in general. We're still having trouble justifying ourselves as art to the general public, and we have to overcome that before we can really start exploring our own medium in any sort of mass-market sense. We won't get our Brokeback Mountain for some time, because we're still at the "A train pulls up to the station!" silent film stage, so to speak.
... And upon further reflection, I don't think gamers are ready for anything as thematically unsettling to their precious worldviews as a game that might legitimately deal with something that doesn't involve shooting aliens for gold.
And I wonder where our indie games scene is.
And I wonder where our indie games scene is.