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You only got to have two months of ultimate more or less to touching a standard retail unit.
You need to work on your maths. Gamepass subs go towards supporting the whole platform, not just ROI on a single product.
You only got to have two months of ultimate more or less to touching a standard retail unit.
First two seasons were 6-8m per episode and i wouldnt say its much more than 10Stranger Things is well above $10 million production costs for one episode already.
Netflix makes it's own shows and movies for what reason again? Oh that's right. RMR. If they were to sell this service to 1 person, you'd be right. But they can rake in millions a month and consistantly make money on games they've created instead on relying on the first 12 months of sales and then sales beyond that.
That doesn't mean they won't either. Netflix gives away a month for free, the same could apply there and people stay. $9.99 for all you can play isn't all that far fetched.
It's above 10m, but below the 15m for GOTFirst two seasons were 6-8m per episode and i wouldnt say its much more than 10
Sounds good can't wait to get to it but I gotta play 4 first.
You need to work on your maths. Gamepass subs go towards supporting the whole platform, not just ROI on a single product.
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It is when it comes time to sell your next console or steam competitor. Why’d i buy a ps5 when i’d have to actually buy games for it?
Rediculous up unto the point where you understand that's only business model that makes sense. It's a great subscription that basically made me retire my PSN account due to a lack of good multiplayer content that I'm only getting on my PC at this point.You have a bigger audience fir netflix. Plus you have older content thats pulling in more money in comparison to old xb and 360 games. Friends and The Office are highly watchex shows.
Comparing GP to Netflix is ridiculous.
Rediculous up unto the point where you understand that's only business model that makes sense. It's a great subscription that basically made me retire my PSN account due to a lack of good multiplayer content that I'm only getting on my PC at this point.
Of couse GOT is higher. They also have millions of people watching.It's above 10m, but below the 15m for GOT
That's the point of much more. Much more isn't 17m or something.
Those kids are not as cheap anymore.
This argument is going to come up every time Microsoft releases a first party game on Game Pass, isn't it?
Microsoft benefits more from selling subscriptions than it does selling individual games.
And how many of them uninstalled after 30 mins and never touched it again?
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It is when it comes time to sell your next console or steam competitor. Why’d i buy a ps5 when i’d have to actually buy games for it?
I would have to agree with you, that's a no-brainer in regards to Netflix. I'd be curious to see where Microsoft ends up in a few years especially once Next-Gen becomes a thing and all their first parties bring out the games that they've been developing.Netflix has a bigger casual market. Has content for people of all ages, way more than GP. If you think most people find gp content just as appealing. .then no.
The chances people stay subscribed is high after they use it to play Gears 5 as Gears 5 alone will push those users to start downloading and trying other games they normally wouldn't and thus the cycle continues until they pay $9.99 a month. They sucked me in with Gears 5 quite honestly. Now I'm playing Void Bastards, Hellblade, Gears 5 and I may also download Forza Horizon 4, Metro, and maybe even try out Crackdown 3. On top of that Halo Infinite and TMCC will be on there too so it's a non-stop win in my book.
Again, that's their theory, but I'm not convinced it's actually better than actually selling popular games. I'm glad you like it, but I'm sure for every one of you there is one person who signs up for $1 when a game they want to play is out and then they move on. This "3 million players" number is irrelevant in a world where you could be a player for $1 and also where old Gears games sold more copies at $60.
Every company is claiming a pivot to services these days, they all have fancy "market research" that says it is the future, and all that, but I'm very skeptical. Netflix keeps getting brought up, but they're losing their most popular content (old Friends and The Office), their stock is down 22% from its high in July, they lost subscribers last quarter for the first time in almost a decade, they're burning tons of cash trying to throw content on the screen, and they're starting down the barrel of Disney+.
And that would be a hundredfold times better if it was console exclusive with no availability to play on PCThe only way someone could enjoy the game is by buying it.. Or so I've been told
Nah that ship has sailed eons agoAnd that would be a hundredfold times better if it was console exclusive with no availability to play on PC
How many copies sold? That's the meaningful statistic.
Right, but pure development costs of Gears 5 is most likely not significantly above 150mOf couse GOT is higher. They also have millions of people watching.
Games arent cheap. Millions of peoplr are watching old content on Netflix. Not say its attracting the same attention as old xb games.
Nah that ship has sailed eons ago
3 million users? wow. thats $3 million in revenue!
So you're saying it's less than 3 million?Trolling and not even smart. Let me just point to you that I actually pay nothing (yeah, nothing, zero) for GamePass, since I join Ultimate on the merge with gold, and have the service covered for free til end of next year.
That should give you an indication of what is MS long term game with it.
So you're saying it's less than 3 million?
You are correct there, I forgot to include said other costs
The campaign isn't interesting in the first one and Gears 5 has a nice video that actually goes over everything in 4 that matters. In fact, Gears 5 does a good job of making all of the characters way more interesting than 4 didSounds good can't wait to get to it but I gotta play 4 first.
Because they are at completely different stages in their lifecycles. It took Netflix many years to lay the foundations for their explosive growth:You have a bigger audience fir netflix. Plus you have older content thats pulling in more money in comparison to old xb and 360 games. Friends and The Office are highly watchex shows.
Comparing GP to Netflix is ridiculous.
The point is that the single subscription needs to pay for every game on the service, plus back-end costs. So even in a situation like this, where no doubt a large proportion of the "engagement" is solely due to Gears, the rest of the line-up needs its share too.
If somebody is playing nothing but Gears all month, its not helping the rest of the line-up, especially if the payout is calculated based on playtime and downloads.
See, I have no doubt that MS can make this profitable for themselves, but if everyone else isn't doing so well, that is potentially a problem for the long-term.
Because you know better first parties and we can use tht subjective argument but it really isn't close in terms of quality.
It's heartwarming to see the sudden concern some people now have for MS, as millions up millions of gamers play the highly regarded, technical showcase Gears of War 5, while not giving MS much upfront money (on average).
Surely MS can't have wanted this - to have millions up millions of gamers playing a great game that's on Gamepass, and realising that they can have access to many games like this for a low monthly fee.
MS must be feeling sick right now, seeing people using Gamepass. People shouldn't be taking advantage of MS like this.
Absolutely, forgot about the Darkness for a moment there...….I would also like to see a Conan 2007 remake, but yes give me Gears 2, 3 and Judgment remade like Gears 1 remake on PC......Put Gears of war 1,2 and 3 on steam. Don't put them in 1 euro gamepass and I will buy the shit out of it. All that keeps my 360 connected it replaying Gears and the Darkness 2007
Not just that, but we're talking across, XBOX and PC (MS Store and Steam)……...So at $1 dollar gamepass, that's 3 million, with gameshare even less, remember PC guys don't pay for online, SO MS is not profiting from LIVE subs there, so why play this on XBOX instead of PC? This is the most bonkers business model I've ever seen....Ever...Three million players is very deceiving when most of the people I know who own XBOX consoles game share.
Wish MS would share this tbh. All the MS fans are saying gamepass is a success???? Only 3 million players, so that means if we minus gamesharing folk and those persons who actually purchased the game, we're probably looking at 1.5 million gamepass subs across the world at $1......What success...Game share and now Game Pass. Would love to see some real numbers.
Fortnight is a game that everybody and their grandma is playing, the game has a pull, it caters top a wide demographic, there's reason to play too as kids are competing for millions now NO? Comparing Fortnite to a dwindling Gears franchise is like comparing Superman to Mclovin…….again isn't fortnight making a ton of cash? that's a free game. with game pass they are getting the subscription money and the money from in game purchases.
Yeah there are microtransactions, but what is the possibility of someone not buying the game @ $60 going on to spend tonnes of money in Micro transactions?....Gears multiplayer is no longer as good as it used to be, neither is it as popular, you don't own the game with gamepass, it will come off the serviceOne thing I've noticed nobody talking about...Isn't gamepass just an entrypoint to the game? There are microtransactions in Gears 5, I can totally see someone spending ridiculous amounts of money in that and making up for more than the 60$ retail cost of the game. Not me but...there are gamers out there spending that on Fortnite and the like. I doubt very much that microsoft considers this release a failure.
*replies to a post about concern with more concern. Truly heartwarmingMicrosoft wants people to pay for the "service", yes, they want to see people play a game but they also want people to pay for it, the second part appears to be a problem. The same could probably be said of Sony PS Now or EA Access, the difference is.... you rarely see threads on those.... somehow we have a Microsoft marketing campaign that never stops - yet, they give the worse numbers.
Number of threads on the subject very high.
Number of paying customers doesn't appear high, imo.
You could probably add up all the revenue made from Game Pass, PS Now and EA Access since their inception and yet they probably don't even match the sales of of say Spider-Man, a single player game on one platform.
So many threads... so little money. The question isn't why are people "concern(ed)", its why are there so many threads on such a small money generator? All of the rental andor streaming game services are basically small drops in a very big bucket, and they don't really seem to be growing unless a company gives it away.
To be honest, I've been a little confused on all these services... all they are is a rental delivery service, I just don't see the excitement for this in 2019. Games is where its at, where are the cool new games?
Given a huge dropoff on Microsoft's own Mixer platform, this number is incredibly deceiving. Leading up to release, this game was advertised as a multiplayer game.
Because they're not trying to make money in the short term; they're trying to expand their user base so they have a big enough audience to make the platform self-sustaining. It's like how Amazon made almost no profit for over a decade, and now are crushing it.Microsoft wants people to pay for the "service", yes, they want to see people play a game but they also want people to pay for it, the second part appears to be a problem. The same could probably be said of Sony PS Now or EA Access, the difference is.... you rarely see threads on those.... somehow we have a Microsoft marketing campaign that never stops - yet, they give the worse numbers.
And it probably would have again, but MS decided to go a different route.Remember when Microsofts flagships did numbers like this as a $60 product?