Horsemama1956
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For the people that think that looks good, what do you normally run settings at on your TV?
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amdb00mer
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I would think not, but it also depends on how well the developer implements HDR. I can see HDR on some titles being a throw away addition just to say they have it. I would think that since MS made such a big deal about HDR they would have tried to make sure it's the best it can be in their 1st party titles.
To the one guy saying it looks cartoony now, no it doesn't. It's the same gears, but now has more color than the original titles. I wonder if they kept the option for post processing. Didn't Gears 1 or 2 (maybe both) have an option to change how the post processing looked? I thought there was an option for more dull colors and one for a more vibrant and saturated look.
Wow thanks for the game mode tip. Forza isn't dimming and looks waaayyy better,
CentralScrutinizer
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I have a Samsung 60" JS7000
Game mode on
Backlight at 14 (HDR sets it to full at 20)
Contrast at 90 (HDR sets it to 100)
Brightness at 47 (HDR sets it to 50)
Color at 75
Gamma at 0
Dynamic Contrast on High
Black levels on auto
And UHD color enabled.
Everything else is set to it's standard setting.
This is the best settings I found for my tv and I think forza looks stunning in HDR.
Glad I can help! I know this HDR stuff is different for everyone so make sure you pass along the tip to anyone having dimming issues on a Samsung.
Yeah, HDR works fine in Game Mode.
DOT DASH DOT
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Yeah UHD is on, so where have you put the HDR slider with Gears then? I'm amazed you can play anything outside of game mode, I find the lag crippling.
Woah....color at 75??? Is thid a thing with JS series? Color normally stays 45-55 on almot every TV
I am starting to wonder if Samsung has just done a poor job of the HDr implementation. While from a technical perspective they are hitting all the right notes. But a customer shouldn't have to adjusting brightness and contrast around for every game. I wonder if their image processing has an issue. Ultimately you should be able to get your base tv settings setup the way you like. And the majority of content should look great. Because at the end of the red is red and blue is blue. As well as bright is bright and dark is dark. It's not like a bright area in forza horizon is different from a bright area in gears of war. The implementation can be different but ultimately a bright area in one game shouldnt be completely different to the point of having to change tv settings.
FrankNitty
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I use HDR standard but mine is calibrated with a meter and test patterns. In all honesty do not copy settings you find online. calibrating in general you shouldn't do it because panel variance is as much as 20% for the same model and will definitely differ across models. As teh settings are based off the light in your room.
Calibrating HDR is hard in itself with patterns and a meter, so just going in and changing settings to the white balance probably just going to make it worse.
JudgmentJay
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No, it's not. Unless HDR requires a different setting than normal, color should be around 50.
EDIT: Just checked, should be 50 even in HDR content.
Well, but it doesn't hurt either, you can always just go and hit Reset if the results are unsatisfactory.
I mean, the calibration tools for HDR are still in their infancy, and professional service doesn't come cheap.
Edit: and the ISF Dark profile should not differ toooo much, as its for a dark ambience anyway.
Just tried these settings. There's no colour alterations so still looks like a yellow/grey filter is applied to everything - certainly not how it should look.
Actually, the problem is it very well could be. The fact there is no standard for how HDR should be implemented, or what levels things should be mastered at, etc. is a real issue right now.
Thanks, I'm thinking of buying it myself. How is the TV overall and how much difference does HDR make in your opinion?
DOT DASH DOT
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It's was on my 9000 until I used dynamic contrast.
No theyve done the best. 4k 60 fps input lag with HDR is 25 ms in gamr mode
The only thing they havent done is give an HDR Game mode seperate picture settings like it does in movie mode, you have to manually adjust. Hopefully soon every game is HDR.
The reason the game mode is manual is because Gamr Mode isnt a picture mode on the TV , its a special setting so it doesnt get non hdr and hdr aettibgs like movie
From what I understand from other HDR usere is you need to use medium to high dynamic contrast with HDR. I just put it on medium and call it good.
In non HDR most places say you can turn DC off.
I find in games DC is good. High setting makes it pop real good but i changes it too much. Medium is good
FrankNitty
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This is true but you have to find a balance. I calibrated mine with Calman 5 2016 enthusiast, C6 HDR, and 4k test patterns speced to LG's white paper on what they say it needs to be calibrated to. Standard is pretty close to what it should be by default and moving the CMS really doesn't get you in spec much because of how green tracks (at least on mine). The whole point of calibration is to meet a standard. The issue with HDR is that standard is not really there yet. So you have to find a good balance of what you can do. Especially with movies being mastered at various nits.
Best bet is to learn how to do it yourself. I have been doing it now going on 9 years, my own personal displays, friends, and even some paid jobs.It's something that pays for itself and is definitely worth it if you upgrade fairly often.
Exactly. Perfect example is after I calibrated mine movies that were mastered at 1000 nits looked great, as they were mastered at higher nits, it still looked alright but you can tell the difference.
HDR is huge , maybe not yet but soon it will be huge especially with wide color gamut when they start that
Hmm, that's odd. Are you sure you didn't change any other presets? And did you rename the input or something?
I absolutely agree on all points.
And you made me curious - would you mind sharing your settings?
guitarguy316
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lol it's not a yellow filter. The problem is you are used to whites being cool blue shades and when you go back to a true standard white color, it looks off to you.
Warm2 is theoretically accurate as the creator intended.
I have an E6. How is HDR input lag for those with 2016 Oled now that we have a shooter example vs. Forza.
FrankNitty
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Yeah I can send them to you when I get home from work. So probably won't be until around 6 or 7pm pst when I get a chance to really sit down and pull the report and settings.
f@luS
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It's what everybody says. Yet it's impossible to have a white white with those settings. Will appear yellow. Maybe it's how pro wants the picture to looks like but it's not real looking at all imho.
A few quick ones.
Quick question, why did you decide to buy a curved screen? It's always seemed so weird that these things are even real. Like the curved glass of old CRT monitors was admonished to the point where "flat screen" displays were marketed aggressively as such. And now it's curved the other way? I don't understand why anyone would want this.
Why did it appeal to you?
I got one of those Samsung KS8000s with the curved screen as an impulse because curved and flat were the same price at CostCo. Always thought I'd avoid them, kinda initially regretted it but I really don't notice it when watching it. It's got zero effect on anything, as far as I've noticed. It's definitely a silly gimmick and I'd feel like a massive moron if I paid more for it. Seeing as how it was the same price, I'm fine with it.
f@luS
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Don't know for him but I bought the lg C6 (65) because here E6 was 6500 when c6(curved) and b6(flat) are 5000. C6 got some better input lag and 3D so it was a no brained. And curve is so small that it's same as flat for me
InfiniteUnrest
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There's some good write ups on the pros/cons out there, though I don't have a link for you. I think rtings.com has one.
Basically, the curved screen is supposed to reduce eye strain by putting more of the screen equi-distant from your eyes (at least if you're viewing from the center). However, it does lead to some interesting angle issues with how the picture curves along the top/bottom when not viewed from a dead-center angle, and how it narrows when viewed from the side.
In general, most reviewers won't recommend a curved screen to you unless you just want one, or feel that it works better for your room situation and placement, and will generally tell you they aren't worth the price increase over their flat-screen equivalents.
Thanks in advance!
Three reasons:
- the curve in the LGs is not as pronounced as in the Sammys
- with good content even 2D material looks like 3D
- with the 2016 OLED the C6 is the best bang for the buck
DOT DASH DOT
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The price appealed lol, the JS9000 was £2600 when it launched in the UK last year, when it hit £1799 it felt like a good time to buy it, the curve didn't bother me either way beforehand, but now I have it I really like it, the curve really helps with contrast drop off from the sides of the screen if you move off axis, something my Sony W905a/900a really struggled bad with.
Karak
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Around the same but a bit different depending on your settings. But ya it was a tiny bit odd
To be honest, I think all TV manufacturers have done a poor job implementing HDR so far. It's all very fly-by-night ish.
Since the platform holders haven't implemented a global HDR brightness control into the consoles themselves and TV HDR tonemappers are unreliable you'll definitely have to set the in-game HDR brightness controls individually for every game. Here's a good link on the state of things and why game devs need to implement even more user side calibration controls.
DOT DASH DOT
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That was my concern, especially using dynamic contrast on high it would get rid of all the cogs in the HDR slider with just a few notches up, I've also noticed with Gears you can turn down brightness a few clicks in the TV options too, in turn keeping blacks in check.
First wow moment I've come across in the prologue after you chainsaw through the burning wood..........awesome! Suddenly HDR comes together.
DOT DASH DOT
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Just tested this, and interestingly the Xbox S automatically forces me to output 4K when I select Gears in HDR, don't understand this as it's not a 4K game......
Rocket786
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Go to the white balance controls, click on color temperature, and go from "Warm 2" to "Normal." With HDR mode, I'd also recommend setting "Dynamic Contrast" to medium. Lastly, I would set the Tru Mltion to user with 0/10 for dejudder/blur respectively.
Don't worry about what the reference needs to look like if you don't like the yellow tone. It's your TV and you should enjoy the picture instead of random guy on the internet telling you it's wrong. I'm with you on that, and can't do the Warm 2 color temp.
Make those changes and come back and post your opinion.
I replaced an older LCD that didn't even have adjustable settings in Game Mode (ugh), so it's a huge upgrade to me for that reason alone. Picture looks great with 720p/1080p sources, and the input lag is very good for a TV of its size. I'm super sensitive to input lag, so that was a huge factor in my purchase. There are obviously more expensive TVs on the market, but I feel like the asking price for this one was more than reasonable for its features and performance. Zero buyer's remorse.
As for the HDR, I think it's awesome. It's not quite as flawless as an OLED or LCD with full-array local dimming, but I think most people would be perfectly happy with it. You can clearly see the difference with stuff like 4K 60fps HDR demo footage loaded onto a USB drive. Games are probably going to be hit or miss at the start, though. Mankind Divided doesn't really do HDR justice (IMO), but Forza Horizon 3 has had my jaw on the floor more than a couple times so far. Haven't played Gears yet, sadly.
If you're looking to upgrade now, I'd say it's a relatively safe investment. If you're not really in a rush, there's no harm in waiting another year or so to feel things out.
DOT DASH DOT
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On a side note, I urge anyone who wants to see incredible HDR on their new TV, to download LG chess from http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr
Wow I'm very impressed, just shows how 4K WCG and HDR can really take it to the next level.
Wow I'm very impressed, just shows how 4K WCG and HDR can really take it to the next level.
Its the same in FH3.
I would if the servers on this site weren't shit.
DOT DASH DOT
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Yeah I know, stick with it, it's worth it.
VincentMatts
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HDR looks...... Weird on my TV. Samsung JU6500. I kinda prefer it off. Unless I'm doing something wrong
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You (or your TV) are definitely doing something wrong unless you prefer comparatively dull lightning, reflections etc
maks
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Did you do the js mod on it? Lookup av forums for settings. I'm considering modding my 50ju7100 myself
HDR pictures are basically three pictures with different exposure merged to mimic HDR but not the real thing. Pretty much what SDR TVs do/have been doing when they tonemap the HDR in games to standard range (8bit). While using HDR TVs you can have the game tonemap the HDR in it to 10 bit.
VincentMatts
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Well thats it, it doesnt look better for me, it looks weird, as if the sharpness is too high and you start seeing shadows on everything, its hard to explain