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Gears of War online community shrinking?

Has anyone else noticed how the community for Gears seems to have gotten smaller? For ranked games at least. Ever since they removed the host's name from the server browser, there are way less rooms being hosted. I used to have a full screen of servers to join and even some I had to scroll down lower to see. Since the update, its usually like 3/4 to half the screen. Roughly half the servers. I've also been seeing a lot of the same people in the ranked games.

Anyway, since I got all but the "Seriously" achievements, I'll probably bowing out of ranked games unless my friends aren't around. So I guess it doesn't matter to me so much, but I wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this. Surely I'm not the only one.
 
A few people are also probably trying out and playing lost planet, etc.

I not been online with gears for a few weeks now, those achievements get on my nerves.
 
WickedLaharl said:
It only displays a maximum of 10 results per a search post patch.

No shit? That explains it then I guess. Still though, I keep running into the same players a lot. And if anything, its been easier for my friends to find the rooms I host.
 
Unless the Xbox Live community is shrinking, I doubt it. It's sold around 3 million now and is the most popular Xbox 360/Xbox game right now.
 
There's no reason to worry about the community shrinking, this game sold so many damn copies that it'll always have people playing for a long time

Shit I can still find people playing Ridge Racer 6 online and that game sold like 5 copies
 
Uno Ill Nino said:
No shit? That explains it then I guess. Still though, I keep running into the same players a lot. And if anything, its been easier for my friends to find the rooms I host.

Yeah, it's true. Here is a link in which mark rein explains why they made the change.
 
Microsoft PR said:
Microsoft Game Studios and Epic Games Inc. today confirmed that “Gears of War,” the Xbox 360™-exclusive title, has sold more than 2 million copies worldwide since its release six weeks ago.

In addition to being the must-have video game of the holiday season, “Gears of War” continues to rage on the Xbox Live battlefield as well, with more than 1 million unique gamers engaging in 10 million online gameplay sessions and unlocking an impressive 7 million achievements. On top of being the No. 1 title on Xbox Live, “Gears of War” has driven new members to the network; paid registrations per day have skyrocketed more than 50 percent since the game’s launch.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133945

Microsoft PR said:
Expanding on its reign as the fastest-selling title of 2006 and the fastest-selling original exclusive Xbox ® game of all time, "Gears of War" has captivated gamers across the globe with its action-packed single-player campaign, thrilling online modes and recently released multiplayer maps, Raven Down and Old Bones. Since the downloadable content's release via Xbox Live ® Marketplace less than two weeks ago, the new maps have garnered an astounding 750,000 downloads.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/1/20/6692

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when the game hit 2m Microsoft was saying over a million people have played MP. Now that it's hit 3m, only 750k people have downloaded the new, free MP maps over the course of two weeks. It seems like at least some of the community has moved on, despite the new maps and the extra million units sold.
 
It's because the Gears online is botched, apparently, beyond repair. The update they released made it WORSE than before. I just don't have the patience when there are plenty of other good online games out there.

...Gears Co-Op is still amazing though. I've probably played through that game (combined total) like 5 times by helping out people on my friends list.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when the game hit 2m Microsoft was saying over a million people have played MP. Now that it's hit 3m, only 750k people have downloaded the new, free MP maps over the course of two weeks. It seems like at least some of the community has moved on, despite the new maps and the extra million units sold.
It's not a required download, and a lot of people just either don't give a shit or don't know about it. If you don't look up game information on the Internet, your only hints that Gears has new content would be the tiny "downloadable content" text pulsating or maybe seeing an ad on Live's menu.

You're reading too much into it.
 
Speevy said:
I don't recall 7 million people getting all the after-release Halo 2 maps.
That's because only a few million were online to begin with. And the ones that did go online have them...because they're a required download now. :p

I haven't played GoW online in a while, so I'm surprised the game doesn't notify you of the new content. So either a lot of people stopped playing MP, or they just don't know the new maps are out there. Probably a mix of the two. But everything is relative. 750k active online players strikes me as a lot.
 
Gears of War has actually sold more than 3 million...

at least that's what it said in a pr i got from ms
 
GhaleonEB said:
That's because only a few million were online to begin with. And the ones that did go online have them...because they're a required download now. :p

I haven't played GoW online in a while, so I'm surprised the game doesn't notify you of the new content. So either a lot of people stopped playing MP, or they just don't know the new maps are out there. Probably a mix of the two. But everything is relative. 750k active online players strikes me as a lot.
Only three million or so people are on Live in the first place, so I doubt that even a million of the people that bought Gears have ever played online at all, let alone actively.
 
I concur that the patch has made the online for the game - overall - a worse experience.

Now not only does searching for games take longer, trying to join one is more irritating than before. When you do join, waiting for 8 players takes longer, and every game I have played since the patch has deteriorated into 4 vs 2 or 3 v 3 etc, I have not had a match end 4 vs 4 in a long time and its sickening.

Where ranked matches used to be the way to go to have a better chance of a good game with more competitive and committed random players - player matches is now much more fun to play - friends or not. thank god I got all my ranked achievements before the patch.
 
I'm not convinced yet. I have been playing most of the morning and there's hardly any people hosting ranked games. Ranked Execution games between 10 and 19 rounds are very scarce. I'm getting like 3-6 hits per round setting.

I tried hosting my own game for 8 rounds and waited 15 minutes for it to get enough players. The amount of time I spend playing is starting to be less than the amount of time I spend looking for games.

My cousin and I had to resort to finding eachother in ranked games because player matches were full of quitters and we could never hold any in our own rooms. We go join other rooms only to get booted for winning. Its shitty. And its not like we're assholes who go in trash talking and being obnoxious either. When you don't have anyone to play with, you're pretty ****ing humble unless you're just a complete idiot.

Also, there was an update today. I wonder what it did?
 
I tend to play 5 round Warzone games, quitters are bad enough at that many rounds I don't dare play longer matches, I tend to get between 8-12 rooms returned when I search.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's not a required download, and a lot of people just either don't give a shit or don't know about it. If you don't look up game information on the Internet, your only hints that Gears has new content would be the tiny "downloadable content" text pulsating or maybe seeing an ad on Live's menu.

You're reading too much into it.


Kind of on the same topic, I wonder will microtransactions get so big that a pblisher will actually take out ads on TV and magazines to say there is new content available via Marketplace/PSN?
 
dskillzhtown said:
Kind of on the same topic, I wonder will microtransactions get so big that a pblisher will actually take out ads on TV and magazines to say there is new content available via Marketplace/PSN?

Since MS can track your played games, it would stand to reason that they could send you a message via Xbox Live. That would be more effective, I would think.
 
kaizoku said:
I concur that the patch has made the online for the game - overall - a worse experience.

Now not only does searching for games take longer, trying to join one is more irritating than before. When you do join, waiting for 8 players takes longer, and every game I have played since the patch has deteriorated into 4 vs 2 or 3 v 3 etc, I have not had a match end 4 vs 4 in a long time and its sickening.

Where ranked matches used to be the way to go to have a better chance of a good game with more competitive and committed random players - player matches is now much more fun to play - friends or not. thank god I got all my ranked achievements before the patch.
1) Search time is shorter over here.
2) I've had little trouble joining games before and after the patch.
3) Quitters were just as frequent, if not more, long before the patch arrived.
4) 4 vs 4 games that lasted 'til the end also rarely occurred back then.

Lastly, random players might be a little more committed in Ranked games, but I mostly join / host Player Matches. There was no massive difference between Player and Ranked Matches whenever I played. In fact, when playing with Friends, the level of competitiveness was a lot higher on both sides then most Ranked games. Saying that the patch ruined the game online is an exaggeration: find people that still play it all the time and you're set.

Uno Ill Nino said:
I'm not convinced yet. I have been playing most of the morning and there's hardly any people hosting ranked games. Ranked Execution games between 10 and 19 rounds are very scarce. I'm getting like 3-6 hits per round setting.

I tried hosting my own game for 8 rounds and waited 15 minutes for it to get enough players. The amount of time I spend playing is starting to be less than the amount of time I spend looking for games.
10 - 19 rounds is a lot for many people, take that in mind. You'll get more results if you select 5 rounds max, so give it a try. I do agree with you that there seem to be a lot less people in Ranked though: the patch pissed off a significant part of the community. Whether those people liked to easily earn achievements by stacking the teams, or because they think Player Matches are a lot worse than Ranked for some silly reason (not accusing anyone personally, just saying). Very little people in comparison played Ranked only to earn points with their friends.
 
MicVlaD said:
10 - 19 rounds is a lot for many people, take that in mind.

I'll second this, I would personally never look for more more than best to 5 myself. While you can look for whatever floats your boat, I would suggest, along with MicVlaD, to lower the number of matches if your having trouble finding people.

As to actually why this decrease occured, I'll theorize. When I personally looked for ranked matches, I look for short matches, since I have no idea how the game is gonna go so if I'm getting stomped, I only have to suffer through 5 rounds. However, pre patch people could play with their friends on Gears, and would be inclined to make long matches so they could play a long time before having to find each other again. Now since the patch made this much more difficult, you see less of the 'play for a while with friends' people, and more soloers looking for a short match. Just my guess anyways.
 
Maybe it's just because I've been playing on Thursdays and Saturdays, but I've had zero trouble finding a game. I use Quick Match though and don't look at a list of servers. I never saw a reason to bother with that. The first hit I get is usually fine for ranked play.
 
I have not noticed any decrease in the community. I actually like the new setup as it is easier to play in "fair" ranked matches that do not consist of a stacked teams with a bunch of douchebags whoring each other out for achievements. I seriously think that these people are the most wretched scum on earth. Microsoft should make another group that these fools can join

Recreation
Pro
Underground
Douche water drinker

Joining this group will make them invisible to all other users and they can rack up points and achievements and stroke each other until their e-penises fall off.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when the game hit 2m Microsoft was saying over a million people have played MP. Now that it's hit 3m, only 750k people have downloaded the new, free MP maps over the course of two weeks. It seems like at least some of the community has moved on, despite the new maps and the extra million units sold.

You are reading too much into it. 750,000 copies of the new maps is a phenominal number.
 
Whats with the big hard on for ranked games ???

I only host unranked games, invite all my friends, who do the same in turn, we play Warzone, almost the entire maplist, first to 4-5 and do that for about 4 hours straight, and it's more fun than almost anything else right now. Seriously, an 8 player room takes literally a couple of minutes to fill.

Ranked games can bite my ass, because they are not fun. NOT FUN!

Why play ranked when you can have MORE fun with your friends ? When did the meaningless points and achiements start to matter more than enjoying yourself ?
 
The community did not shrink, the patch just limits the server listing to ten hosts in order to stop the team stacking...

This thread can end now...
 
Hey guys, have no fear...thursday two weeks from now I'll be back to playing GOW! It's been so so long! Too long!
 
Burger said:
Whats with the big hard on for ranked games ???

I only host unranked games, invite all my friends, who do the same in turn, we play Warzone, almost the entire maplist, first to 4-5 and do that for about 4 hours straight, and it's more fun than almost anything else right now. Seriously, an 8 player room takes literally a couple of minutes to fill.

Ranked games can bite my ass, because they are not fun. NOT FUN!

Why play ranked when you can have MORE fun with your friends ? When did the meaningless points and achiements start to matter more than enjoying yourself ?

First off, get rid of that goddamn avatar. I hate that thing.

Second, ranked games are fun for people who are competitive. There are a lot of people out there wasting their time trying to be the new "Fata1ity" or whoever, but then there's people like me who like having their stats tracked. Number of kills with certain weapons, matches won and lost, kills vs deaths, etc. Nothing wrong with that.

Third, and we've been through this countless ****ing times, the achievements are only earned in ranked games. "Oh but achievements are meaningless!" you say? Yeah, to you. You either don't put the time into the game that I do, nor you don't have the skill I do. The achievements show my friends and strangers that Gears of War is MY game. I'm not looking to make a career out of it, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to have some stats to enjoy looking at. My friends and I compare them all the time. If you can't understand that, at least respect it.
 
I don't play ranked for achievements, I play ranked because most people from GAF and the other forum I frequent buy new games all the time and you're lucky if they stick with the same one for more than two weeks.

In the case of Gears, it's totally and completely and utterly OLD NEWS to them so they're all playing Lost Planet, maybe Rainbow Six: Vegas or not playing 360 at all right now.

So ranked games for the win. Also, I find ranked games to present unique competition you can't get from friends. People you know don't really change their game too much so you kind of get what you get. When you hop in with random assholes, you see all kinds of things that you can add to your own game to get better.

Then you play with your friends again, pwn them, and they don't want to play with you anymore. :D
 
When I think of open games I just imagine everything bad about Xbox Live. I play ranked matches so that I'm in a room with people comparable to my skill level and (sometimes) are there to have fun and not be a total jerk.
 
First of all achievements are like something to aim for in a game - why try to collect all heart pieces in a zelda? why try to get the best weapons in any game? why even bother finishing it when you can get the ending on youtube? its the experience.

I can say I have my 100 torque bow kills and I'm proud of it, I worked for it and it shows anyone who cares to check that I rock.

As for playing ranked matches, I'm in the UK so a lot of the time no one is on when I am so I need to play with randoms. Pre-patch it was easier to get a 4 vs 4 game going on a ranked match as so many more people were playing it there and playing it seriously. In player matches you got n00bs or guys messing about etc which I wasnt looking for.

But post-patch, most people seem to play player matches and they are quite competitive now too.

But of course playing with friends tops everything.
 
Allright maybe I'm being a bit of a nitpicking dick here but, Gears achievments do show that ...

Uno Ill Nino said:
You ... don't put the time into the game that I do

They do not show

Uno Ill Nino said:
... you don't have the skill I do.

If I recall, recently there was a thread that had people post the achievments they were most proud of. Stuff like Geometry Wars achievments shows someones skill very well. The only Gears achievment that jumps to mind that shows skill is the 10 match wins without a loss one.

Naturally, you should be proud of your gaming achievements. I have several games I'm particularly proud of beating. But Gears achievments don't really have that omph that shows someone is serious business. Luckily if someone is looking at your Gears achievments, you're probably already in a round against them. In which case you can show you're better than them quite easily.
 
PedroLumpy said:
Allright maybe I'm being a bit of a nitpicking dick here but, Gears achievments do show that ...



They do not show



If I recall, recently there was a thread that had people post the achievments they were most proud of. Stuff like Geometry Wars achievments shows someones skill very well. The only Gears achievment that jumps to mind that shows skill is the 10 match wins without a loss one.

Naturally, you should be proud of your gaming achievements. I have several games I'm particularly proud of beating. But Gears achievments don't really have that omph that shows someone is serious business. Luckily if someone is looking at your Gears achievments, you're probably already in a round against them. In which case you can show you're better than them quite easily.

Au contraire! Some people I know have started playing ranked matches after seeing my achievements simply because they want to match what I have done - I didnt boast about it either, they just browsed and said "hey man you have a lot of achievements, I'm gonna try to get them too".

Its not just a matter of putting time in (ok sure if you played for 3 years; time might be a factor) but a large element of strategy and skill is involved too. 100 kills with any weapon is a hell of a lot of ranked matches and if you're not very good theres no way you will get that sniper or torque bow achievement.

Its not about comparing or showing off anyway, its about personal satisfaction and the act of going for the achievements itself was an awesome way for me to learn different weapons and strategies I would have never seen if I hadnt been specifically going for that achievement - all in all a good experience imo.
 
kaizoku said:
Au contraire! Some people I know have started playing ranked matches after seeing my achievements simply because they want to match what I have done - I didnt boast about it either, they just browsed and said "hey man you have a lot of achievements, I'm gonna try to get them too".

Its not just a matter of putting time in (ok sure if you played for 3 years; time might be a factor) but a large element of strategy and skill is involved too. 100 kills with any weapon is a hell of a lot of ranked matches and if you're not very good theres no way you will get that sniper or torque bow achievement.

Its not about comparing or showing off anyway, its about personal satisfaction and the act of going for the achievements itself was an awesome way for me to learn different weapons and strategies I would have never seen if I hadnt been specifically going for that achievement - all in all a good experience imo.

Well, I still feel I could throw enough time at it and get the achievment. But I would think the Boomshot would be the toughest....

Anyway, agree to disagree etc etc I guess, moving on..

This achievement talk got me to think of another reason there may be a decline in 10 - 19 ranked matches. In theory, people who really wanted achievements may have hosted matches with a high number of rounds so they could work on Sniper/Bow/Boomshot/whatever weapon was on that map. Over time these achievement hounds would nab their achievements and stop doing the long matches. Just a guess again.
 
What is so difficult about offering team-based ranked games and single player ranked games? Just offer both and problem solved.
 
JB1981 said:
What is so difficult about offering team-based ranked games and single player ranked games? Just offer both and problem solved.

Get CliffyB on the red phone, only he has the answers you seek.
 
Uno Ill Nino said:
Second, ranked games are fun for people who are competitive. There are a lot of people out there wasting their time trying to be the new "Fata1ity" or whoever, but then there's people like me who like having their stats tracked. Number of kills with certain weapons, matches won and lost, kills vs deaths, etc. Nothing wrong with that.
I think of myself as a competitive person most of the time, I like achievements (I attempt to complete most games as much as possible because of them) and I still hate Ranked. There's no real sense of competition there for a number of reasons. One being the stacked teams, two being latency issues and three being stuck with idiots that claim weapons but can't use them properly at all. At least during Player Matches (with friends) you can control most of these issues with people you know, but other than that, Ranked isn't better than Player bar the achievements. Even those aren't properly executed for the most part: if they were more creative à la Dead Rising or Crackdown, then the majority of GoW's would've been boast material since you wouldn't be able to fall back on patience. Only some (like the Torque Bow) are the exception.

Points aren't really worth it either, not the way they're set-up in Gears. They reward the person who plays it the most and not by actual skill per sé (a fault in many, many games). They're made even less important 'cause of the abusers in Execution (before the patch) and because of the modders. Yes, some want to make a name out of themselves by being the "number one in this or that", but points don't prove all that much sadly.

I like specific numbers mind you, as in how many kills you got with which weapons. Something as thorough as say, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Meteos or Advance Wars DS. But sadly, Gears of War doesn't go that far... And I understand your opinion of the achievements, nothing wrong with getting 'em so long as you aren't obsessed by 'em (buying games solely for the achievements, trading accounts with others, ...).

kaizoku said:
As for playing ranked matches, I'm in the UK so a lot of the time no one is on when I am so I need to play with randoms. Pre-patch it was easier to get a 4 vs 4 game going on a ranked match as so many more people were playing it there and playing it seriously. In player matches you got n00bs or guys messing about etc which I wasnt looking for.
Not really. I'm online at about the same time as you and the situation hasn't changed noticeably at all. The only thing I do see (before the patch too, to avoid any confusion) is more variation in the maps when Europeans are online too: after midnight, there are too many Gridlocks or Raven Downs...

It would have indeed been easier to join a 4 vs 4 match if you took stacked teams into account, however.

kaizoku said:
Its not just a matter of putting time in (ok sure if you played for 3 years; time might be a factor) but a large element of strategy and skill is involved too. 100 kills with any weapon is a hell of a lot of ranked matches and if you're not very good theres no way you will get that sniper or torque bow achievement.
Oh but it is. I agree with Lumpy on this: why do you think 'a lot' of people have certain hard-to-earn achievements like the Torque Bow? Not many are all that good with it and those people probably unlocked them because they were playing with friends. Warzone especially allows such an approach: if someone's down, they could call the friend who tries to earn an achievement with the Torque Bow / Sniper / Pistol / Boomshot and he can shoot the downed body with relatively little effort. Or they can claim said weapons without any interference. Same goes for the host achievement. Only a matter of time until you achieve a 100 kills. Would've been more interesting if there was something like "kill 4 people in 1 round with the Torque Bow 10 / 20 times". Personally, I only started 'achievement hunting' after the patch because to me there's no fun whatsoever in having others help you with something like Pistolero or Don't Hurt 'Em.

Again: not throwing any accusations around here nor dismissing your pride (I too would be proud with the bow achievement). Just saying that the achievements in this game (as well as others) aren't all that hard to unlock.
 
JB1981 said:
What is so difficult about offering team-based ranked games and single player ranked games? Just offer both and problem solved.
Halo 3 aint willing to share the spotlight...

[/daily conspiracy theory]
 
The multiplayer gets stale real fast in gow; that's why. I had fun for 2 intense weeks then eh thats it.

It has no legs.
 
FirstInHell said:
I actually like the new setup as it is easier to play in "fair" ranked matches that do not consist of a stacked teams with a bunch of douchebags whoring each other out for achievements.
That would the one and only reason one could ever want to "stack teams", huh? There's no such thing as "other languages than english", I know -- I've played on Live before. There's certainly no chance of italians, spaniards, germans, etc, wanting to play with people with whom they can communicate well. Nope, not at all. Everyone who's "stacking" is such a douche.

****, I'm sick of this. Myself, I'm good enough at english that I get the "****ing americano!" thrown at me by spaniards, but I've played with so many poor italians or whatever that try their hardest to communicate with the rest of their team, but they just can't. They're like "he...over...helicopter...container!!" and we're like "whaaaat?" Not trying to make fun of them at all, I seriously wish Epic would bring back the host names or something to help these poor souls out. They're not having fun and they can't contribute to the team either. It's such bullshit.

shuri said:
The multiplayer gets stale real fast in gow; that's why. I had fun for 2 intense weeks then eh thats it.

It has no legs.
Yeah, clearly, as we can see -- everyone in this thread is agreeing with you. **** that game!

"Troll am failed total" or whatever.
 
Coin Return said:
Definitely not getting smaller, it just displays a small amount of rooms so that the search is faster.
OBJECTION!!!!

Since you can only see a small portion of rooms at any given time the amount of players, as a whole, could still be shrinking; therefore, you can't say it's growing OR shrinking as fact - only Microsoft & Epic Games would know for certain.

[/phoenix wright]
 
Sure the achievements are a result of building up a certain amount of skill as well as putting in the time, there is no way a skilled player can get them without spending some time, but also no way a crappy player can get them without some degree of skill.

First of all crap players get taken out quick, 2nd, they will not always get the weapons if all they do is die. The only "easy" way to get these achievements is if you play with n00bs or if you fix the match so you're with friends either with or against.

But I dont really care about those people, being number one or having more achievements than anyone else - those people are cheating themselves of any actual sense of achievement and thats their problem.

Main benefits of going for the achievements is similar to trying to grind your RPG character to a certain level or trying to discover that legendary weapon - you play in a way you might not have otherwise, you discover new elements to the game and ultimately you get better.

I'm now at a stage where I'm competent with every weapon, I've learned every map, I've seen so many different strategies and so on that I can only feel the quest for these achievements has boosted my enjoyment of the game.

and I really have no idea why our ranked match experiences are so different. Previously it was easy to tap X repeatedly to get the games to show up quicker, now you cant and its auto-refresh when you fial to connect. its just a lot more tedious.

fpr me ranked matches used to mean 4 vs 4 within a minute with a good chance of everyone staying, if 1 drops its not so bad. Player matches = you join half way through and its often 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 2 and its just a bit weird and not as fun. People jump in and out all the time. etc.
 
Well I really only care about the multiplayer experience and not the achievements that go with it. I mean, no 'offence' to anybody (Uno Ill Nino) but in the end these things are pretty meaningless. Do you expect to pay for XBL for the rest of your days and have these things as some sort of faux military medal ?

It seems like while some people enjoy striving for achievements, and enjoy brandishing them, they are actually detrimental to the social and community aspects of multiplayer.
 
Just use the damn Quick Match and stop searching so hard for your ideal game. You'll be in a game in seconds, it'll fill up within a minute and off you go. Shooty shoot shoot.
 
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