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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again

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Solo said:
Whats really sad about Lucas is that the man has the wealth and clout to get ANY movie made, but he is so creatively bankrupt that he can't. So he just tinkers endlessly at worsening Star Wars.
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MattKeil said:
And yet the entire Sifo Dyas/Dooku/Clone order placing/someone deleted Kamino from the archive thing went completely unanswered in the films. Likewise the "how the Jedi learned to become Force ghosts" thing. If he's so worried about people understanding the basic plot, it's weird how he hasn't managed to fix the basic plot in so many places and instead adds in this pointless crap to perfectly functional scenes.
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Like with the entire series, I've learned to have selective memory/imagination when it comes to certain aspects. I just assumed Jar Jar did it. I mean, that's the only answer.
 
Morn said:
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This just further shows his creative demise, if you ask me. He wanted to do a Tuskegee Airmen movie back in the EIGHTIES. It took thirty years to finally do it, and now he's not even the director of it.
 
Solo said:
Whats really sad about Lucas is that the man has the wealth and clout to get ANY movie made, but he is so creatively bankrupt that he can't. So he just tinkers endlessly at worsening Star Wars.
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It's for the best he stays away from movies, really the best he has done is all the things he helped create like ILM, THX, etc, etc
 
I pretty much can't believe George Lucas was the man behind Star Wars at this point.

I feel like if Lucas were to ever retire, I feel like we'd finally be able to see the original releases finally given back to us in some way, or at least the earliest known versions, and there would be a chance of new Star Wars material that isn't a spin off that doesn't have the conviction of living up to Lucas' "vision".

Darnit I'm just daydreaming now.
 
KittenMaster said:
I pretty much can't believe George Lucas was the man behind Star Wars at this point.

I feel like if Lucas were to ever retire, I feel like we'd finally be able to see the original releases finally given back to us in some way, or at least the earliest known versions, and there would be a chance of new Star Wars material that isn't a spin off that doesn't have the conviction of living up to Lucas' "vision".

Darnit I'm just daydreaming now.
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When he retires his daughter will take everything over and there will be Clone Wars characters she made up digitally inserted into the Original Trilogy.
 
KittenMaster said:
I pretty much can't believe George Lucas was the man behind Star Wars at this point.

I feel like if Lucas were to ever retire, I feel like we'd finally be able to see the original releases finally given back to us in some way, or at least the earliest known versions, and there would be a chance of new Star Wars material that isn't a spin off that doesn't have the conviction of living up to Lucas' "vision".

Darnit I'm just daydreaming now.
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Well he never fully was. What helped the OT being so good was that it was the creation of many people, Lucas was the main man behind the series, but many others had their say in the creation and direction of the movies. Now we see with the Prequels and all these special editions what happens when Lucas has 100% control.
 
Morn said:
When he retires his daughter will take everything over and there will be Clone Wars characters she made up digitally inserted into the Original Trilogy.
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This might be an improvement anyway. Besides the obvious Nepotism if she's less of an authority than Lucas, then maybe somebody might be able to step in and say, "WAIT. Don't do that."
 
KittenMaster said:
I pretty much can't believe George Lucas was the man behind Star Wars at this point.

I feel like if Lucas were to ever retire, I feel like we'd finally be able to see the original releases finally given back to us in some way, or at least the earliest known versions, and there would be a chance of new Star Wars material that isn't a spin off that doesn't have the conviction of living up to Lucas' "vision".

Darnit I'm just daydreaming now.
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Problem is, Star Wars George Lucas was hungry. He cared about the world he was creating and it showed. It also helped that back then he had to differ a lot more. He consulted and leaned on people.

Fast forward to 1982 when he was filming ROTJ, he was now just rich and as such, felt entitled to make HIS vision, without checks and balances that were there in 1976 when he filmed SW.

Now, his word was law and guess what? If you challenged/disagreed him, you got fired. (this has been reported by several ex-Lucas employees) Sound familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8GEidaMMI

Life imitating art?

It's sad because, with all that power, he is powerless to curtail his greatest enemy--himself.
 
MattKeil said:
And yet the entire Sifo Dyas/Dooku/Clone order placing/someone deleted Kamino from the archive thing went completely unanswered in the films. Likewise the "how the Jedi learned to become Force ghosts" thing. If he's so worried about people understanding the basic plot, it's weird how he hasn't managed to fix the basic plot in so many places and instead adds in this pointless crap to perfectly functional scenes.
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Pretty much all of the important things that happened in the prequel trilogy happened off-screen. Yeah, Episode II could have been about Anakin's training, his fledgling friendship with Obi-Wan, his greed and potential evil, Obi-Wan's struggles to cope with the responsibility of being a Master too early and having to train an easily corruptible but vitally important apprentice.

But, no. Clearly what we needed was a massive CG fight scene between unimportant Jedi, robots and stormtroopers and some shitty love scenes. Yeah, that's better.
 
Solo said:
This just further shows his creative demise, if you ask me. He wanted to do a Tuskegee Airmen movie back in the EIGHTIES. It took thirty years to finally do it, and now he's not even the director of it.
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Or you could say he admitted to himself that he's not the best director for this project.
 
They basically admitted Lucas had a hard time with the prequels and presenting Anakins story as well as the bigger picture. Episode 3 early drafts addressed the bigger picture alot more but then Lucas hack jobbed it down to Anakin Anakin Anakin.

The Prequels were as much Palpatines story as it was Anakins and frankly Palpatines story would have been a hell of alot better for more exploration. Episode 3 was originally gonna start with massive battles all across the Galaxy to show the clone war then Lucas realized he didnt have enough time for Anakin to become a bad guy
 
bengraven said:
Sifo Dyas was explained in the books I think. I got curious and looked it up one day.

That said, of course the EU writers felt they needed to create ANOTHER character when I thought it was perfectly obvious from the film that "Sifo Dyas" was in fact Darth Sidious.

Syfo Dyas. Sifodious. Sidious.
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Sid Vicious?
 
antonz said:
They basically admitted Lucas had a hard time with the prequels and presenting Anakins story as well as the bigger picture. Episode 3 early drafts addressed the bigger picture alot more but then Lucas hack jobbed it down to Anakin Anakin Anakin.

The Prequels were as much Palpatines story as it was Anakins and frankly Palpatines story would have been a hell of alot better
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The whole Palpatine creates a false flag to get himself into office this was uncessary. Make him Palpatine, the Sith Lord and go from there.

And Darth Maul should have been the apprentice for all 3 movies.

Showing Anakin as a kid for an entire movie was a waste. Could have been handled in flashbacks. Start him in the first movie in the midst of the already engaged Clone Wars, fighting along side Obi Wan. You could parcel out the major plot point details over the course of 3 films and not have to rush like he did in Episode 3 to tie things up.

Ask yourself this question:

Would anyone NOT NAMED George Lucas be able to get not 1 but 3 of those prequel films made?
 
I remember when you'd watch a Star Wars documentary back in the 80s or whatever:

"The Cantina Scene? Everyone loved it... except George!"

..and at the time you'd think "George didn't love that wonderful scene? What a complicated genius. Who knows what the Master of Myth originally intended, considering how great it turned out anyway!"

But now that's not shocking at all! Obviously George is an endless tinkerer -and not to any kind of "perfection". And everything that's good about the OT was kind of an accident of production, or made great thanks to involvement from other staff...
 
To me the problem with the "No" inserted into that scene is it makes Darth sound like an imbecile. "Emperor do a no no." *Toss* It kind of reminds me of Frankenstein, in a way, where the Monster is only capable of rudimentary speech. Vader is more eloquent than that and it does a disservice to his character. Other than that I think it has the same emotional impact.
 
BocoDragon said:
I remember when you'd watch a Star Wars documentary back in the 80s or whatever:

"The Cantina Scene? Everyone loved it... except George!"

..and at the time you'd think "George didn't love that wonderful scene? What a complicated genius. Who knows what the Master of Myth originally intended, considering how great it turned out anyway!"

But now that's not shocking at all! Obviously George is an endless tinkerer -and not to any kind of "perfection". And everything that's good about the OT was kind of an accident of production, or made great thanks to involvement from other staff...
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He digitally altered both American Graffiti and THX 1138 as well, yet people act shocked that he keeps doing it.
 
Sad part is Darth Maul was the best thing to happen to the prequels, and was killed off rather quickly.

The inevitable buildup between Maul and Anakin killing him to supplant himself as the Emperor's apprentice would have been awesome in Ep. III
 
Suairyu said:
Honestly, good for him.

We all know that scene should have been in the film and its lack of inclusion in the DVD as a deleted scene was also baffling, but if the reason was simply because Neeson didn't want to then I have nothing but respect for the man.
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Not sure how true it is that he "refused" to record his lines, seeing as how he voiced Qui-Gon in multiple episodes of the Clone Wars CG cartoon show.
He clearly doesn't have any animosity to Lucas or the franchise.
 
I really dislike the changes being made (outside of the Ewok eyes since it's so minor), but the Vader "No" stuff is awful. It completely removes the point of that scene. He no longer appears conflicted. The impact of being able to see when Vader finally chooses to do good (turning to the light side) is completely lost. He just comes off as infantile now.

Compare this to this.



Edit: Guess the link was already posted, but eh... now you have them right next to each other.
 
Barberetti said:
That he keeps doing it is not what is shocking people. It's what he does.
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Yup. Many little things that they change in the movies are nice, such as fixing mistakes like the imperial officer's patch. Minor, but it is fixing a mistake.

But adding in dialogue or whatnot for little to no reason is slowly chipping away at my love of Star Wars.
 
nemss said:
Sad part is Darth Maul was the best thing to happen to the prequels, and was killed off rather quickly.

The inevitable buildup between Maul and Anakin killing him to supplant himself as the Emperor's apprentice would have been awesome in Ep. III
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Was he though? He was all pre-episode one hype. He did nothing in the PT that made him any sort of interesting villain. The only thing he had going for him was a double blade light saber.
 
I'm glad I'm over Star Wars because this sort of bullshit would annoy me but I recently tried to watch the OT on HD TV and couldn't get through them, especially Jedi - Christ that's an awful movie. Still love the universe, though. If Lucas ever lets a truly gifted writer/director loose in it it could be something amazing.
 
Darth Maul was the best part about the prequels? He never said a single line ever. Even Boba Fett had more lines. This would be fine if he was the "silent assassin" type, but he wasn't. He tried to assault Qui-Gon on a loud speeder in a flat desert and later confronted the two Jedis in the middle of the city (even though they were surrounded by armed guards and one of them was a Jedi master).

Dooku was a much more interesting character (a fallen Jedi trying to do the right thing) and was played by a great actor. It's a testament to the poor writing that even Christopher Lee couldn't pull off a good performance.

Edit: I should mention that he does speak 3 lines, but they're pretty minor and he's otherwise the most boring villain ever.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
I like the new Obi-Wan dragon scream thing. It's like he's on spring break. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Holy shit, I just heard this. WTF is that? It actually doesn't make the Vader scene seem so bad now....
 
As half-hearted as both "No"s sound in this change, I think I could deal with the second one - if it was by itself. But the first one just ruins the whole thing. It sounds way too loud, Vader almost sounds bored or even a bit confused saying it, and it flattens a really tense scene. The second one starts right when he's lunging, so it's obvious he's going to kill the emperor anyway, hence why I think I could deal with it if it was by itself.
 
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:
Was he though? He was all pre-episode one hype. He did nothing in the PT that made him any sort of interesting villain. The only thing he had going for him was a double blade light saber.
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There wasn't much better than a double blade light saber in The Phantom Menace.

Maybe the podcrace scene.
 
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:
Was he though? He was all pre-episode one hype. He did nothing in the PT that made him any sort of interesting villain. The only thing he had going for him was a double blade light saber.
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Yeah...because he wasn't written well.
 
Mr. Serious Business said:
Darth Maul was the best part about the prequels? He never said a single line ever. Even Boba Fett had more lines. This would be fine if he was the "silent assassin" type, but he wasn't. He tried to assault Qui-Gon on a loud speeder in a flat desert and later confronted the two Jedis in the middle of the city (even though they were surrounded by armed guards and one of them was a Jedi master).

Dooku was a much more interesting character (a fallen Jedi trying to do the right thing) and was played by a great actor. It's a testament to the poor writing that even Christopher Lee couldn't pull off a good performance.
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That's not true. He had one line! Also he made an awesome beach towel that me and my roommate used to clean up vomit when we had parties back in the day. "Someone vomited in the corner!" "Just Darth Maul that bitch!"
 
Mr. Serious Business said:
Darth Maul was the best part about the prequels? He never said a single line ever. Even Boba Fett had more lines. This would be fine if he was the "silent assassin" type, but he wasn't. He tried to assault Qui-Gon on a loud speeder in a flat desert and later confronted the two Jedis in the middle of the city (even though they were surrounded by armed guards and one of them was a Jedi master).

Dooku was a much more interesting character (a fallen Jedi trying to do the right thing) and was played by a great actor. It's a testament to the poor writing that even Christopher Lee couldn't pull off a good performance.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kr2XP0RCtI
 
cloud_sleep said:
I'm glad I'm over Star Wars because this sort of bullshit would annoy me but I recently tried to watch the OT on HD TV and couldn't get through them, especially Jedi - Christ that's an awful movie. Still love the universe, though. If Lucas ever lets a truly gifted writer/director loose in it it could be something amazing.
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...huh?

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Darth Maul didn't need to say much but his line to Darth Sidious was well delivered... it was one of the best parts of the Ep1 trailer before we knew what the film was like
 
For all the people that thing a character needs to talk a bunch to be a great villain, The Terminator and No Country for Old Men both say hi.

Writing is the key, my friends.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
For all the people that thing a character needs to talk a bunch to be a great villain, The Terminator and No Country for Old Men both say hi.

Writing is the key, my friends.
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ryutaro's mama said:
Yeah...because he wasn't written well.
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Yeah. That most telling example of this is the difference between the General Grievous of Revenge of the Sith, and the General Grievous of Genndy's Clone Wars.

Episode 3's version was a joke, but Clone Wars' version made him one of the coolest and most awesome villains in the whole Star Wars universe.
 
Just rented out the DVD Special Editions of Star Wars, and put A New Hope into my PS3 - hoping to get some nostalgia that may entice me to pre-order the Blu Ray editions.

Wasn't until Vader choked the guard that I realised there was no voices. Just music and sound effects - I could hear Vader's voice VERY quietly...but it was barely there. Tried switching audio channels - there weren't any others on the disc. Tried outputting the sound through headphones, the TV and my 2.1. No voices.

Whaaaat the fuck.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
For all the people that thing a character needs to talk a bunch to be a great villain, The Terminator and No Country for Old Men both say hi.

Writing is the key, my friends.
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Talk to da hand
 
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