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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again

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richiek said:
The color timing in AOTC now a more cooler, teal-ish hue:

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Ugh, Kamino's almost glowingly bright visuals was one of the few things I really liked in AotC.
 
Furret said:
That's not true. The Luke-Vader-Palpatine sub plot is handled and acted superbly well.
And yet it was the most useless subplot since even if Luke hadn't gone to fight Palpatine the Rebels would still have destroyed the Death Star anyway.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
And yet it was the most useless subplot since even if Luke hadn't gone to fight Palpatine the Rebels would still have destroyed the Death Star anyway.

I'm confused on how you are judging it to be useless? Are you viewing Return of the Jedi as simply the story of the destruction of the second Death Star or the culmination of the story of the Skywalkers? Personally, I've always seen Return of the Jedi as being the culmination of the story of the Skywalkers (Vader and Luke) and because of that, what you are describing as a useless subplot to me is probably the most essential part of the story...
 
DiipuSurotu said:
And yet it was the most useless subplot since even if Luke hadn't gone to fight Palpatine the Rebels would still have destroyed the Death Star anyway.
Really? If Luke hadn't gone to confront Vader and Palpatine, do you really think Palpatine still would have died? The destruction of the Death Star and the crippling of the Imperial fleet was meaningless compared to the death of Palpatine. Also, if you take the EU into account, the destruction of the Death Star would have been unlikely had Luke not confronted Palpatine.
 
Pie Lord said:
Really? If Luke hadn't gone to confront Vader and Palpatine, do you really think Palpatine still would have died? The destruction of the Death Star and the crippling of the Imperial fleet was meaningless compared to the death of Palpatine. Also, if you take the EU into account, the destruction of the Death Star would have been unlikely had Luke not confronted Palpatine.
It's been a long time since I saw the film but weren't Luke/Vader/Palpatine IN the Death Star? My understanding is that, regardless of Luke's action, the Rebels would have blown up the Death Star from space anyway, thus killing Vader and Palpatine inside (unless they would have had the time to escape had Luke not distracted them, I guess).

I'm not taking into account the EU partly because Lucas didn't and partly because I didn't read much of it.

RyanDG said:
I'm confused on how you are judging it to be useless? Are you viewing Return of the Jedi as simply the story of the destruction of the second Death Star or the culmination of the story of the Skywalkers? Personally, I've always seen Return of the Jedi as being the culmination of the story of the Skywalkers (Vader and Luke) and because of that, what you are describing as a useless subplot to me is probably the most essential part of the story...
I mean from a practical point of view and that of the Rebels. Obviously storywise it was the most important part of the saga.
 
Anth0ny said:
:D

that was great

Also one could argue that Luke distracted The Emporer and Vader from the more pressing issue, the attack on the death star, with their... exchange.

Also, even if the death star was blown up, he could have escaped like alot of the crew did, Luke managed to save Vaders body. The death of the emporer was the nail in the coffin, the death star had been destroyed before.
 
richiek said:
The color timing in AOTC now a more cooler, teal-ish hue:

starwarsepisodeiiattack.png


starwarsepisode2attacko.png
Looks worse...
 
I always thought the Kaminoans were one of the more technically impressive things in the prequels, I just never felt like they belonged in the Star Wars universe. Just me.
 
So they really made if softer so it would match the CG, lol!
 
Gary Whitta said:
I always thought the Kaminoans were one of the more technically impressive things in the prequels, I just never felt like they belonged in the Star Wars universe. Just me.
Well, Kamino is beyond the Outer Rim and just south of the Rishi Maze. So Lucas clearly went too far in taking Star Wars there.

I thought Kamino was pretty cool, too. But long-necked UFO aliens are a bit outside of what is normal in Star Wars.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I always thought the Kaminoans were one of the more technically impressive things in the prequels, I just never felt like they belonged in the Star Wars universe. Just me.

My thoughts exactly. They definitely look cool, and are one of the more well done CG creatures in the prequels.

But... it's the prequels. good for redlettermedia.com and nothing else.
 
Maybe the reason why the Kaminoans look so outta place and good in the prequels is because they were never made up by anybody at Lucasfilm, let alone George himself... I get this feeling the idea was stolen by some unknown outsider
 
Medalion said:
Maybe the reason why the Kaminoans look so outta place and good in the prequels is because they were never made up by anybody at Lucasfilm, let alone George himself... I get this feeling the idea was stolen by some unknown outsider
Or somebody watched Unsolved Mysteries or something.
 
Medalion said:
Maybe the reason why the Kaminoans look so outta place and good in the prequels is because they were never made up by anybody at Lucasfilm, let alone George himself... I get this feeling the idea was stolen by some unknown outsider
They remind me of the
robots
at the end of AI.
 
Count Dookkake said:
There is a reason for that.

Lucas has admitted that he liked those guys.
And Lucas and Spielberg are tight, so Spielberg was probably cool with it. I hear they have sleepovers and stuff.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I think the bigger travesty (again, with Han) was how he went from, "You like that I'm a scoundrel...There aren't enough scoundrels in your life." to "You love him...When Luke gets back, I won't get in the way."

It didn't even take a Special Edition for that nonsense to happen.

Han wasn't even the same guy in ROTJ.

It was like the time that Robocop got all those directives and became an idiot.
Eh. Luke saves Han's life, Han suspects Leia is Luke's girl, his hesitance is perfectly reasonable. Doubtful he'd come out of the carbonite and just straight up pull a douchebag move on his buddy and literal savior.
 
funkystudent said:
ok so not only does Lucas make more silly edits and tweaks but they are also crappy conversions?


LOVE IT!
I think these are lazy conversions but in all honesty if some people were expecting like those old movies to look like newer releases today like Avatar or Tron quality, they are kidding themselves
 
Medalion said:
I think these are lazy conversions but in all honesty if some people were expecting like those old movies to look like newer releases today like Avatar or Tron quality, they are kidding themselves

I don't know...

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With today's technology, and some real dedication behind it, a technicolor print of the original Star Wars could go a long way. Just look at that shot above. It's a 34 year old print and it looks immaculate!

maybe not quite Avatar or Tron quality, but those are the best of the best and are, like, a year old. A movie from 1977 looking even close would be incredible.
 
Medalion said:
I think these are lazy conversions but in all honesty if some people were expecting like those old movies to look like newer releases today like Avatar or Tron quality, they are kidding themselves
Properly done restorations of old movies can look even better than top tier releases of today's movies. Just look at Blade Runner.
 
Medalion said:
I think these are lazy conversions but in all honesty if some people were expecting like those old movies to look like newer releases today like Avatar or Tron quality, they are kidding themselves

Obviously not but I have most of the Bond BDs made so far and when you just let Lowry do their job they will give you results that will blow your mind.
 
Aigis said:
Properly done restorations of old movies can look even better than top tier releases of today's movies. Just look at Blade Runner.

Also Alien/Aliens. And some of these are 80s movies that supposedly had cheaper film stock.
 
Aigis said:
Properly done restorations of old movies can look even better than top tier releases of today's movies. Just look at Blade Runner.

Yup. Many people dont get that. A proper restoration with lots of time, love, and money thrown at it can yield incredible results. Blade Runner and the Alien series are prime examples. Those were mind boggling restorations. I was also fortunate enough to see a 35mm print of the Blade Runner final cut a few years ago. The stuff of dreams.
 
Aigis said:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78713

ROTS also has contrast/gamma fuckery done to it. The whites are pretty badly crushed -- look at the little neck crease around that thing Padme's wearing. It's completely washed away in the middle on the Blu-ray.

Wow. How does this happen? Does no one at Skywalker Ranch know how to color correct or what? I am honestly baffled by stuff like this in a fucking Star Wars movie.
 
Yup, as I admited those are some lazy ass conversions, like they just took the HDTV rips and only slightly color temperature changed em, DNRed, and then just put random CG enhancements and audio dubs and boom... $$$
 
mattp said:
:O
how does one become fortunate enough for that?

Back in late 2007 and early 2008, WB made a few prints and did a roadshow type tour. The Caroling Theater in Durham, NC got the print for one week (or maybe 2) in early 08. So I did everything in my power to get there for at least one showing before we moved out of NC.

My god, it was gorgeous seeing that film on the big screen.
 
I had already accepted Lucas fiddling around with the films, since that's pretty much going not going to stop.

But yikes at the DNR, CG, and just general laziness with all of the transfers. I was looking forward to watching the films again, but I don't think I can even bring myself to purchasing such a poor set.

Ah well. Should've known, right?
 
mattp said:
so much envy

The local theater here in CT has done many older movies lately, but usually they are just digital copies played on the big screen. But it is a totally different experience seeing great movies on a huge screen with an audience.

The entire LOTR Extended trilogy was incredible a few months ago, as was seeing Halloween and The Thing.
 
Medalion said:
I think these are lazy conversions but in all honesty if some people were expecting like those old movies to look like newer releases today like Avatar or Tron quality, they are kidding themselves

You've never seen the restoration of Gone With The Wind, Metropolis, or City of the Living Dead have you?

I can assure you an old movie can look fantastic restored and in HD, easily better than "Avatar or Tron quality."
 
BocoDragon said:
Is anyone actually arguing that it was low-quality CG for 1999?

I believe this line of discussion originally spun out of my comment to the effect of "it always looked bad, even in 1999", which is true.
I thought The Matrix CG looked bad in '99; it doesn't stand the test of time either. You could make a case for that film not needing much CG in the first place, but so what? That's where the technology was in 1999.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
The local theater here in CT has done many older movies lately, but usually they are just digital copies played on the big screen. But it is a totally different experience seeing great movies on a huge screen with an audience.

The entire LOTR Extended trilogy was incredible a few months ago, as was seeing Halloween and The Thing.
The first release for LOTR on blu-ray was shit though

Maybe Star Wars will get released once again on blu-ray for the 3D versions
 
i had accepted all the bullshit changes, too. i was ready to begrudgingly buy that blu-ray set, but the nooo at the end of jedi totally pushed me over the edge. now that i'm seeing the transfer is half-assed bullshit it makes it even easier to say fuck it and not buy it

i already spent my money on the lotr ee set anyway. much better money spent


i'll be putting my harmy despecialized dvds into my old star wars dvd box set and calling it a day
 
Yasae said:
I thought The Matrix CG looked bad in '99; it doesn't stand the test of time either. You could make a case for that film not needing much CG in the first place, but so what? That's where the technology was in 1999.
Am I alone in thinking oddly enough a lot of LOTR hasn't aged well CG wise. The practicals were always very nice though.
 
mattp said:
everything in lotr aged SO much better

weta > ilm

it's not even close
The only great thing for me in those LOTR movies CG wise is still Gollum's facial expressions, everything else is meh
 
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