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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again

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DrForester said:
Still love this photograph, even if Ray Park got snubbed (or couldn't make it, who knows..)

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I don't think Ray Park not being there was due to scheduling. The actors were shot over many days, possibly even weeks, in small groups or individually and later the whole image was composited together. If I remember properly, Hamil was shot by himself. It looked kind of sad having him all by himself.
 
RedSwirl said:
Oh wait forgot about the Wampa.

I liked that addition, it was all practical effects from the day, no CG. Why was it even chopped in the first place?

kharma45 said:
Badly done by me, but saw that and immediately this came to mind.

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Looks about as real.

Nice work, Leos not flying.
 
captscience said:
I don't think Ray Park not being there was due to scheduling. The actors were shot over many days, possibly even weeks, in small groups or individually and later the whole image was composited together. If I remember properly, Hamil was shot by himself. It looked kind of sad having him all by himself.

A proper homage to the prequels.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
So, you'd prefer the stationary, lifeless Dewback puppet as opposed to the CG one?
Yes, because the original scene stands well enough on its own. The edited version just shoves distractions into the scene and there's no coherent need for any of it.

It isn't enough for Lucas to play with the kitty, now he has to wave a laser pointer and tinsel all at once.
 
Botolf said:
Yes, because the original scene stands well enough on its own. The edited version just shoves distractions into the scene and there's no coherent need for any of it.

It isn't enough for Lucas to play with the kitty, now he has to wave a laser pointer and tinsel all at once.

Yep....A CG creature that is on screen for ~15 seconds is a distraction...Some of you guys are unbelievable.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
Yep....A CG creature that is on screen for ~15 seconds is a distraction...Some of you guys are unbelievable.
Shitty 90s CG in a movie filled with practical effects from 77? It stands out.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
Yep....A CG creature that is on screen for ~15 seconds is a distraction...Some of you guys are unbelievable.

Yah. I can;t stand some of the bigger changes, and I'm all for movie preservation - I'm totally fine with the original movies - but this is just complaining for complaining's sake.
 
mrkgoo said:
Yah. I can;t stand some of the bigger changes, and I'm all for movie preservation - I'm totally fine with the original movies - but this is just complaining for complaining's sake.
No, it's called having standards.
 
The chances of a high quality restoration of the original film are zero if people don't complain so get used to it. What do you expect when you come into a thread titled "George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga...Again"?
 
Zabka said:
The chances of a high quality restoration of the original film are zero if people don't complain so get used to it. What do you expect when you come into a thread titled "George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga...Again"?

I came in as a Star Wars fan?? Apparently I'm one of those where the changes don't bother me. They're still the same movies.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
So, you'd prefer the stationary, lifeless Dewback puppet as opposed to the CG one?
No question the original is preferable to the ridiculous ragdoll stormtrooper riding on the CG one. And did anyone else notice that in every shot with a CG dewback, the dewback makes some obnoxious noise? Like they just couldn't resist calling attention to them every time they added one.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
Yep....A CG creature that is on screen for ~15 seconds is a distraction...Some of you guys are unbelievable.

In a 15 second shot. That's 100% screentime. The thing tears up the composition of the shot like there's no tomorrow. That's just basic shot-composition 101, and Lucas fucked it up because he's got a hardon for CGI.
 
neorej said:
In a 15 second shot. That's 100% screentime. The thing tears up the composition of the shot like there's no tomorrow. That's just basic shot-composition 101, and Lucas fucked it up because he's got a hardon for CGI.

The lifeless slug of a puppet tore up the shot more-so, in my opinion. It was just THERE. Hell! You could barely tell what it was supposed to be!
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
So, you'd prefer the stationary, lifeless Dewback puppet as opposed to the CG one?

Absolutely.
To me it's like editing all the puppets out of the Labyrinth and replacing them with CGI.
Or even updating Aliens to have even more aliens that move more fluid with the environment because of CG.

Don't fix something that's not broken.

I'm not just saying it for "retro" argument's sake. To me it generally stands out from the rest of the film and looks totally out of place.
They are 70's-80's films. I appreciated the effort and time it took to work everything.
 
CJUNDERGROUND said:
Yep....A CG creature that is on screen for ~15 seconds is a distraction...Some of you guys are unbelievable.
I'm with neorej on this: "In a 15 second shot. That's 100% screentime. The thing tears up the composition of the shot like there's no tomorrow. That's just basic shot-composition 101, and Lucas fucked it up because he's got a hardon for CGI."

The big space lizards weren't the focus of that scene, but they sure as hell are now. Was the original movie deficient for the lack of prominent space lizards? Did it have any relevance to the plot, tone, atmosphere, or hell, anything? No on all counts. It's throwaway bloat, added not out of need but for the sake of adding things.

I knew that whatever that thing in the background was the first time I watched, it was some kind of mount. That's all I needed to know. Stormtroopers track through the sand and find signs of droids. BOOM. That's all the movie needs to do, and all it needs. What it does not need is more stormtroopers and space lizards milling about. The scene did the job the first time, cleanly and concisely.

Zabka said:
Shitty 90s CG in a movie filled with practical effects from 77? It stands out.
I also agree with this.

Qwomo said:
No, it's called having standards.
And I agree with this also. I have the same problem with the prequels, which are just glutted with flashy and inconsequential noise. Anything that brings the OT closer to that is nothing I would consider an improvement.
 
Can someone help a fellow gaffer out. I'm trying to find out a list of all the new changes Lucas has done for the BR's. I don't really wanna have to go through the whole thread.

Anyone got a list or a site with the list on?

Cheers!!
 
Zabka said:
Shitty 90s CG in a movie filled with practical effects from 77? It stands out.
It definitely takes you out of the movie.

I could accept the movie reality of a late 70s film. I could accept the movie reality of a 90s or 2000s film.

But when you have all levels of effects in one film? It takes you out of the film and forces you to think about the film-making process.

I think this would be the case even if you were watching a special edition as the first viewing of the films. You'd think "this movie has obviously been tampered with", and the movie reality is broken.
 
BocoDragon said:
It definitely takes you out of the movie.

I could accept the movie reality of a late 70s film. I could accept the movie reality of a 90s or 2000s film.

But when you have all levels of effects in one film? It takes you out of the film and forces you to think about the film-making process.

I think this would be the case even if you were watching a special edition as the first viewing of the films. You'd think "this movie has obviously been tampered with", and the movie reality is broken.

Agreed 100%.
 
Quick said:
They could've done some updates on the CG while doing work on the blu-ray transfer. Even on the DVD, some of the CG elements looks really dated.

I await the Jabba/Han scene from A new Hope with breathless anticipation.
 
Quick said:
They could've done some updates on the CG while doing work on the blu-ray transfer. Even on the DVD, some of the CG elements looks really dated.


This will all be done starting next year with the 3D release . The films are all being restored and getting a treatmeant on the level of the special editions over a decade ago .
 
eastmen said:
This will all be done starting next year with the 3D release . The films are all being restored and getting a treatmeant on the level of the special editions over a decade ago .
That bad, huh?
 
Qwomo said:
That bad, huh?


I liked most of the special edition changes , some weren't needed , some didn't really effect anything.



I think we all look at things from a diffrent angle than GL . He envisioned all these things when dreaming up the movies and he was most likely fustrated as hell with the limitations he had to deal with in the 70s and 80s .


We on the other hand finally got to see a movie convincing enough to draw us into the world and now these changes are messing with those memorys.


I don't think either side is truely right unless its something that changes characters from their original intentions , Han shooting first is important and shouldn't have been changed , Vader saying no should not have been added.

But so many other changes are just icing on the cake and don't matter
 
Botolf said:
I'm with neorej on this: "In a 15 second shot. That's 100% screentime. The thing tears up the composition of the shot like there's no tomorrow. That's just basic shot-composition 101, and Lucas fucked it up because he's got a hardon for CGI."

The big space lizards weren't the focus of that scene, but they sure as hell are now. Was the original movie deficient for the lack of prominent space lizards? Did it have any relevance to the plot, tone, atmosphere, or hell, anything? No on all counts. It's throwaway bloat, added not out of need but for the sake of adding things.

I knew that whatever that thing in the background was the first time I watched, it was some kind of mount. That's all I needed to know. Stormtroopers track through the sand and find signs of droids. BOOM. That's all the movie needs to do, and all it needs. What it does not need is more stormtroopers and space lizards milling about. The scene did the job the first time, cleanly and concisely.

perfect. I don't have a problem with the CG, I have a problem with how they use it. In almost every instance other than the spacecraft effects, the CG is used in an obnoxious way that pulls you out of the movie.
 
eastmen said:
I liked most of the special edition changes , some weren't needed , some didn't really effect anything.



I think we all look at things from a diffrent angle than GL . He envisioned all these things when dreaming up the movies and he was most likely fustrated as hell with the limitations he had to deal with in the 70s and 80s .


We on the other hand finally got to see a movie convincing enough to draw us into the world and now these changes are messing with those memorys.


I don't think either side is truely right unless its something that changes characters from their original intentions , Han shooting first is important and shouldn't have been changed , Vader saying no should not have been added.

But so many other changes are just icing on the cake and don't matter
Some of the changes don't bother me in the slightest, such as blinking Ewoks, the Millennium Falcon changing angle in flight as it leaves Tatooine, and the lightsabers retaining their intended colour and shape. Those kinds of small and tasteful changes can certainly be an improvement. They don't twist and distort the structure of the film.

On the other hand, things like scenes being stretched, extended, and inserted for no good reason to accommodate things like CGI monsters, questionable character changes, and needless furnishings... that's quite something else. That goes beyond restoration, it strides headlong into changing the pacing and the economy of the original films.

The present OT becomes more and more a bloated set of films in comparison to their original forms, and I'm frankly glad Lucas was stymied on his original vision if this is what he indeed wanted. Great art is created by acceptance of limitations, not in rejecting them and holding that the original intentions of the artist trump every and all consideration. The original trilogy was troubled and limited, yet it was wonderful. The new trilogy was safe and sterile, neat and tidy, and ultimately it was stiff and lifeless. Lucas has made his conception more important than the quality of the end movie. He vehemently hated how he was constrained and limited making the OT, yet he fails to see how those circumstances contributed to making such lean and evocative experiences. Arrogance is a severe charge, but it sticks. He's an artist who can't separate himself from his work, to let it stand on its own two legs and in the time and circumstances that shaped it. It's his art, and he embodies both a controlling artist and an insecure one, almost revolting at the thought of others appreciating it in a way he doesn't approve of.

So regardless of what George Lucas' opinion of what Star Wars ought to be, he owes an immense debt to time, circumstance, and limitation that he refuses to acknowledge. This obstinacy perfectly underlines a simple observation: the man doesn't understand what made Star Wars so great. He thought he did, and went on to make three films that will be forgotten long before the three he quietly regards as having failed him.
 
jaxword said:
How much of this outrage will be reposted next year when the 3d versions start coming out?

That depends on whether or not ILM bother to fix the rest of the fucked up effects, and how many more "Noooooooo"'s and other bullshit Lucas adds.
 
I can't wait to see the gimmicky 3D effects that he'll undoubtedly add as well, like when the Jawa falling off the Ronto in Mos Eisley now happens into the screen.
 
NekoFever said:
I can't wait to see the gimmicky 3D effects that he'll undoubtedly add as well, like when the Jawa falling off the Ronto in Mos Eisley now happens into the screen.
I really want them to add as much for the 3d versions as they did the first SE's.

Jar-jars in Mos Eisley dancing around and stepping in shit. (to mirror when Jar-jar steps in shit in ep 1 'it's like poetry it rhymes')

Jabba in ANH has a jet pack.
Ect.
 
NekoFever said:
I can't wait to see the gimmicky 3D effects that he'll undoubtedly add as well, like when the Jawa falling off the Ronto in Mos Eisley now happens into the screen.

Yeah you know it. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that stupid bits like that get all the attention from ILM, and the bits that should look fantastic in 3D like the Death Star trench run will be half-arsed rush jobs.
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
I really want them to add as much for the 3d versions as they did the first SE's.

Jar-jars in Mos Eisley dancing around and stepping in shit. (to mirror when Jar-jar steps in shit in ep 1 'it's like poetry it rhymes')

Jabba in ANH has a jet pack.
Ect.

I see what you did there LOOOL!
 
captscience said:
I don't think Ray Park not being there was due to scheduling. The actors were shot over many days, possibly even weeks, in small groups or individually and later the whole image was composited together. If I remember properly, Hamil was shot by himself. It looked kind of sad having him all by himself.

Either Hamill was shot by himself or Harrison Ford's left leg is inside Hamill's spine.
 
Botolf said:
Some of the changes don't bother me in the slightest, such as blinking Ewoks, the Millennium Falcon changing angle in flight as it leaves Tatooine, and the lightsabers retaining their intended colour and shape. Those kinds of small and tasteful changes can certainly be an improvement. They don't twist and distort the structure of the film.

On the other hand, things like scenes being stretched, extended, and inserted for no good reason to accommodate things like CGI monsters, questionable character changes, and needless furnishings... that's quite something else. That goes beyond restoration, it strides headlong into changing the pacing and the economy of the original films.

The present OT becomes more and more a bloated set of films in comparison to their original forms, and I'm frankly glad Lucas was stymied on his original vision if this is what he indeed wanted. Great art is created by acceptance of limitations, not in rejecting them and holding that the original intentions of the artist trump every and all consideration. The original trilogy was troubled and limited, yet it was wonderful. The new trilogy was safe and sterile, neat and tidy, and ultimately it was stiff and lifeless. Lucas has made his conception more important than the quality of the end movie. He vehemently hated how he was constrained and limited making the OT, yet he fails to see how those circumstances contributed to making such lean and evocative experiences. Arrogance is a severe charge, but it sticks. He's an artist who can't separate himself from his work, to let it stand on its own two legs and in the time and circumstances that shaped it. It's his art, and he embodies both a controlling artist and an insecure one, almost revolting at the thought of others appreciating it in a way he doesn't approve of.

So regardless of what George Lucas' opinion of what Star Wars ought to be, he owes an immense debt to time, circumstance, and limitation that he refuses to acknowledge. This obstinacy perfectly underlines a simple observation: the man doesn't understand what made Star Wars so great. He thought he did, and went on to make three films that will be forgotten long before the three he quietly regards as having failed him.

I fully agree with everything here. Well stated.

If this was merely *fixes* and not changes/additions, we wouldn't even be having these conversations.
 
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