Count Dookkake
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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again
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Count Dookkake
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omnomis said:
That's not how it works, but thumbs up for enthusiasm.
Liquidsnake said:
Disagreed.
Now go back and watch it on its own. Being microscopically better than two of the worst movies ever made is not grounds for celebration. Especially as just minutes after that screencap it's FrankenVader screaming 'Noooooooo!'
The prequels were a story that didn't need to be told, by film makers hamstrung by a penny pinching miser and bewildered actors working from three of the worst scripts in human history.
Apart from burning in a fire there's nothing good that can ever and did ever come from the prequels. Not even Natalie Portman's midriff.
I think what disappoints me with the prequels is how many great actors are in these movies yet are utilized in such shit ways (Hayden isn't one of these). Ewan McGregor is a perfect cast choice for young Obi-wan but the direction behind everyone of his scenes is terrible.
There's also the fact that there's all these badass Jedi but they don't really do anything but die.
There's also the fact that there's all these badass Jedi but they don't really do anything but die.
Count Dookkake
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omnomis said:
I didn't, but it is okay.
Zabka said:
I've heard quite a few people suggest that before but the pod race is such an abstract, meaningless event just thrown into the middle of the film because Lucas wanted a race.
And consider how it's won: some undefined thing goes wrong with Anakin's pod, then he does something technical the audience doesn't understand to make it work and suddenly he wins despite having fallen miles behind.
'He won because he was the hero of the movie' (and also some implied technobabble).
bodyofanamerican
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From MY point of view his WRITING is horrible.Liquidsnake said:
Zabka said:
That might be what's going on but the film never tells you, you just get some ambiguous looking menu screens appear and then woosh he's won.
Whatever it was it certainly didn't have anything to do with midicholrians.
It's like if they changed the trench run but instead of using the Force, Luke just tuned up the targeting computer so it worked better.
i_am_not_jon_ames said:
See, people say that true villains think they are the hero of their story, but George doesn't realize that if they are self aware of this, and openly state it to people that they think the non-murderous faction is "EVIL", the notion is negated. It makes absolutely no sense. He doesn't understand his own story... Anakin would not think the Jedi are evil, he would think that they are misguided, naive, etc. and that his side is righteous, but he wouldn't think that he opposed the forces of evil after he carried out Order 66. Nevermind that the line in question just in general continues the PT trend of characters stating their intentions and emotions instead of the script leaving room for the actors to show these things with their performances. IT BROKE MY HEART to hear some of that dialogue.
Well that's what EU is for I guess. Also I was speaking of badass as "they look badass" obviously none of those are as badass as Han Solo or Darth Vader. I feel like the prequels have too many of these, even though it's cool seeing them do competent shit in the Clone Wars TV series.MC Safety said:
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Furret said:
What the hell are you talking about? There's a scene before the pod race begins that has Sebulba (or how ever you spell it) sneaking up and snapping almost off the piece we see fuck up later in the movie. It's blatantly obvious that it's being sabotaged, unless you wanted Sebulba to sit there and go "HAHA! And now I'll break this piece of his ship, which just as the race is about to end will fuck up his engine and I the great Sebulba will win again!"
Count Dookkake
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Zabka said:
This.
Nothing about these procedures needs explaining if you have eyes and ears.
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But there was an entire *legion* of his best toops waiting for them! Straight from the horse's mouth: http://youtu.be/0_JyoK8RVPE?t=2m57s
I have a hundred complaints about each movie but I just watched the pod race again and I still think it works. It's got a bunch of things in it that I miss from the other movies, like the futuristic-yet-dirty mechanical designs and a character competently accomplishing his goal without stumbling into success or his opponent acting completely braindead.
Plus young Anakin doesn't bitch and moan like the later version does. He quietly smokes the competition.
Unrelated, why'd they have to call him Ani? That just makes him sound like a wiener from the start.
Plus young Anakin doesn't bitch and moan like the later version does. He quietly smokes the competition.
Unrelated, why'd they have to call him Ani? That just makes him sound like a wiener from the start.
agrajag said:
The rebels also have commando's. And an AT-ST for them self while the Imperials lost theirs. Probably would have been better if they just distracted them until they set the charges but oh well. If there were 6000 stormtroopers there would have to be tens of thousands of Ewoks.
Shin Johnpv said:
Erm, I was talking about what actually happened to the pod and what Anakin did to fix it.
The climax of what is allegedly the best action sequence in all three prequels involves someone fiddling around with what looks like a video game interface, apparently fixing a sabotaged engine by pressing a few buttons in the cockpit.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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After watching the first three episodes, I started ANH, an hour in, I've always been a huge Star Wars fan but damn, IMO, it doesn't hold up very well, it looks so old, especially after the prequels, it's really jarring, plus I was a bit bored, I'm gonna watch the whole thing and try to push to ESB.
About the special features, I've just skipped through it quickly, but I didnt see any Star Wars making of independent to each movie, I saw one on the last BR, but is it like a global one?! If that's the case, it really sucks.
About the special features, I've just skipped through it quickly, but I didnt see any Star Wars making of independent to each movie, I saw one on the last BR, but is it like a global one?! If that's the case, it really sucks.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Complaining about who Anakin won the podrace is just someone looking for things to hate about the movies. It didn't need an explanation at all, as I thought it was clearly spelled out what was going on, and what he was doing to fix his vehicle mid race. It was actually pretty simple and straight forward.
There was also the overarching implication that he was unconsciously already tapping into the force, which made his reaction times better and made him a good pod racer.
There was also the overarching implication that he was unconsciously already tapping into the force, which made his reaction times better and made him a good pod racer.
Darklord said:
Right, excellent... exciting!
Maybe another idea might have been that he won because he was the better pilot? Or maybe he'd done something sporting to another racer earlier and that helped him out at the end? Or Sebulba's cheating caused him to loose when he had it in the bag, or....
...no let's make him win because he pressed some buttons to do something boring and technical.
Star Wars died in 1983 and it's never coming back.
Liquidsnake
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omnomis said:He wasn't upping his game writing-wise.
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That scene is one of two that made me shed a tear in Ep. III.
Darklord said:
Well, the dude said that there wasn't a lot of stormtroopers, but the Emperor sure seemed to think so. Did you hear the way he emphasized legion? Plus, they were *much* better armed and trained than any Ewok with their sticks and stones. Stormtroopers were always useless, clumsy, disposable henchmen in the films though, so it doesn't surprise me they could lose to a bunch of teddy bears.
The Podrace was meant to show how a little kid was using the Force, whether consciously or not, to participate in a race that would be very difficult for normal adults, let alone a kid that young. The length of the race was just to add some excitement up to that point and audio/visual stimulation
*insert blame space avatar here*
*insert blame space avatar here*
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Furret said:
As terrible as the prequels are, your argument as to why is the poorest example I've ever seen.
They've established at that point that he's the only human who's ever been capable enough to pod race. His quick thinking and ability to fix a sabotaged pod fast enough (with easy as shit to understand interface for even the layman-est of viewers, pictures and all) let him avoid losing due to said sabatoge. Plus all the other shit he did in lap 1 and 2 to even get up to Sebulba that was very impressive despite everyone trying to run him into walls and crap. You're overlooking all of that and dwelling on something that you clearly didn't understand to begin with.
If you're going to complain about something, complain about "Hey spinning's a good trick! Let's press Z or R twice Artoo!" *accidentally destroys an impenetrable space station due to stupidity.*
Anakin's freedom was on the line, it showed that he's good with machines, handles pressure well and that he was one hell of a pilot with the help of the Force. That sequence accomplished a lot more than pretty much all the dialogue in the rest of the prequels.
And it was a chariot race crossed with hot rods and landspeeders! What more could you want?
And it was a chariot race crossed with hot rods and landspeeders! What more could you want?
Kung Fu Jedi
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Furret said:
You seem to be most alone in your issues with the podrace scene.
Kung Fu Jedi said:
The main issue with the race is that's it's far too long (also it's incredibly boring). Just like the Quidditch in the first two Harry Potter films which was trimmed down massively once they changed directors. The race itself goes on for 10 whole minutes. That's just too much for an action sequence in the middle of the movie. 2 or 3 minutes would have been more than enough.
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Ushojax said:
I definitely agree that this is a more legitimate complaint. It certainly could have been shorter.
Furret said:
And your point? It's not like I haven't been critical of any of the films, but in the case of what you're bringing up, there doesn't seem to be too many people that are having the same issues with the podrace scene that you are.
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Weight of numbers is your argument? Fuck.
Look if you enjoy the sequence, fine. If you want to waste your money on newly worsened versions of already terrible/defaced movies, knock yourself out.
It sounds like you're getting the films you both want and deserve.
I'm out of here.
Count Dookkake
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Kinyou said:
Yup.
Medalion said:
lol. That got me.
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