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Jones delivers it great too

So far the only thing I don't really like is that possession scene at the end of the first trailer. I don't blame that on the actresses though. The performances are fine. It's just the dialogue and stuff. An Exorcist joke isn't funny, and I don't really care for the general vibe of it.

The other thing I don't like is the vomiting ghost, but I've kind of warmed up to it? I liked Melissa's line "it's so beautiful."
 
Any form of harassment from any side is absolutely unacceptable. Want to dislike something? Fine. Doesn't need to go beyond that into personal attacks. But it shouldn't be a contest either.

You're right. It shouldn't but sorry when I see people falling over theselves to defend Rolfe when meanwhile Feig and co were outright attacked for even talking about the harassment they were receiving. I find it interesting
 
You're right. It shouldn't but sorry when I see people falling over theselves to defend Rolfe when meanwhile Feig and co were outright attacked for even talking about the harassment they were receiving. I find it interesting

I don't see anyone making attacks on Feig and co in this thread? Or least from what I've seen. Discussion surrounding the movie on here has been calm. Maybe other threads are worse? How do you know someone defending Rolfe isn't also calling out those attacking Feig and company somewhere else?
 
Its like people dont even know why trailers exist. They exist to convince you to make you watch the movie.

How dare someone choses not to if they are not convinced by them. *shakes fist*
 
I don't see anyone making attacks on Feig and co in this thread? Or least from what I've seen. Discussion surrounding the movie on here has been calm. Maybe other threads are worse? How do you know someone defending Rolfe isn't also calling out those attacking Feig and company somewhere else?

This conversation has been going on in 15 threads over two years

It's not about individuals it's about the general air of the conversation.
 
damn shame these trailers are kinda shit though. i'm really interested in how the response would have been if they knocked it out of the park. probably still a disproportionate amount of dislikes sadly but it would be nice to have more data in this experiment.
 
Yeesh is it ever ugly in this thread.

Well, on-topic: the second trailer makes it look like a good action movie with nice visuals and attempts at humor. The attempts at humor left me stonefaced but at least there wasn't the "all my crevices" line.

All faint praise though. Paul Feig thinks he can make "awkward" humor and physical/gross-out comedy into a Ghostbusters movie and I disagree.

If the critics dig it I'll give it a shot but it still looks lame-o to me.
 
I never thought that I would see Screen Junkies shout out to Cinemasacre or James directly. James has really become a focal point for his stance on not seeing this movie.

I did what James is saying but with Robocop (remake) and I feel great to have never tainted my receptors with the aweful remake.

to me, Paul Van Hoven's Robocop is a masterpiece of epic proption on so many levels that it got better with age when we learned as fan growing up about his critique on society which was great in Robocop as it was masterully brilliant in Starship Troopers.

that said. A remake of Robocop with a random different director who decides to something whatever can never ever top the original Van Hoven Robocop.

SO

I refused to watch the Remake.... and I feel GREAT!!

I will do the same with Ghostbusters as I did with Roboocp

James is right
 
All faint praise though. Paul Feig thinks he can make "awkward" humor and physical/gross-out comedy into a Ghostbusters movie and I disagree.
That's fair, there is a clear notion of what Feig's humor is and I could see someone making an argument about it not quite fitting a Ghostbusters sense of humor.

Not saying it wont' be funny or it can't work, but it will be different from the usual shtick the movies had.
 
I'm so glad James Rolfe doesn't seem to give a shit about the identity politics hatemob his video apparently conjured. A really pathetic display of virtue signalling gone awry.
 
I did what James is saying but with Robocop (remake) and I feel great to have never tainted my receptors with the aweful remake.

to me, Paul Van Hoven's Robocop is a masterpiece of epic proption on so many levels that it got better with age when we learned as fan growing up about his critique on society which was great in Robocop as it was masterully brilliant in Starship Troopers.

that said. A remake of Robocop with a random different director who decides to something whatever can never ever top the original Van Hoven Robocop.

SO

I refused to watch the Remake.... and I feel GREAT!!

I will do the same with Ghostbusters as I did with Roboocp

James is right

Personally, I didn't find the Robocop sequel to be offensive or outright awful. But it still felt like the movie suffered from a lot of compromises, like the studio not willing to make the film R-rated because the budget over exceeded $100million dollars, and the director seemed poorly utilized. I get what were going for with the director, as he was an outsider to the Hollywood system (just like Verhoeven was) and did direct some well acclaimed action movies in Brazil. But it feels like the lack of a harder rating only constricted what the director could do.

As far as Robocop goes, there are far worse movies in the franchise than the reboot. Robocop 2 was a bit of a mess, an enjoyable mess, but it never hit the same high notes as the original. Part 3 was an absolute disaster and was turned into a horrible kids movie. Then there was a live action TV series that was mediocre at best. Followed by two or three made for TV Robocop movies, which hit the absolute bottom of the barrel. Objectivity there was only ever one good movie in the series (though some would also debate part 2) an the reboot was still a lot better than the third movie or any of the made for TV garbage. In some ways I could rank it with part 2. I feel like the movie has a few merits, but is still flawed overall.
 
What about Paul Feig and the Ghostbusters cast and the shit they've put up with in the past year+?

Many people here were criticizing Feig and co for hiding behind harassment and using the sexist trash they were receiving as a shield.

Now Rolfe wades into this mess with a pointless video (He's not a movie reviewer so why did he feel the need to let us know he wasn't gonna review it) and now he's some massive victim that everyone supports.

Where were you guys over the past year? Where were you when Patton Oswald was getting repeated direct tweets about his late wife (btw those tweets that were screenshoted earler were not sent to Rolfe at all. They're immature and stupid but it is interesting that they did not @mention him)

It's clear frankly that for some people it's worst to have even the slightest insinuation that you're sexist then it is to be a victim of sexism and that's hilarious to me.

I'm sure some people were criticizing Feig and company and accusing them of using a shield. Heres the problem with this situation. You have a group who doesn't seem to be interested in the movie due to the direction they are taking it or based off the trailers. Then you have one group who doesn't like the movie because its an all female cast. Now you have to filter through all the garbage comments to try and see why people are upset. So I'm sure Feig and company did feel like a lot of vitriol was due to an all female cast. Just like some people may have legitimate complainants not due to an all female cast. Who may feel like they've been written off due to some people or lumped in with the other camp. It happens all the time. When a group gets offended sometimes they just see blood and go after anyone who says anything negative no matter how rational the argument. Not everyone but some do. Its a sensitive situation where people are quick to snap at each other.

Rolfe's video isn't pointless. He made it for his fans and put it out on his youtube channel. Where else is he supposed to address his fans? I mean I suppose he could of said something over social media but likely he wanted to reach as many of his fans as possible. And anyone that knows James knows hes a ghostbuster fan which means they want to know his opinions on the film. So he released a statement to his fanbase. Its not his fault that other outlets got wind of it and plastered the story all over the place. And again its not a contest.

Why are you acting like if someone defends one person then they're against another or trying to lump people in a group? Its funny because me and most others I see defending Rolfe haven't not even remotely approved of the harrasment directed towards Feig and others involved in that movie or Patton Oswald yet because someone may not speak up and say that harassment is wrong no matter who its directed to then we must be apathetic towards them. As for where people were? I don't know? Maybe like me they're more avgn fans then the new ghostbusters reboot fans. Maybe thats why more people are aware of the discussion involving ghostbusters?
 
The thing that I keep going back to in my head despite wanting to be optimistic because Ernie Hudson got paid to film a scene a day before I met him at a comic com and told me it was good, is that of all the ideas I'm sure many people had to reboot/remake GB, we got this weird film trying to recapture the original but going about it wrong. The source was made by a guy who was really into the occult and paranormal and his friends. I would have taken someone who was really into the original for this new one, but that vibe isn't really felt here.

Funny story: after showing the trailer to my wife and six year old (who loves the originals), my son says in a very dead pan, mildly excited tone "well, it's a good thing that's over". Wife and I burst into laughter.

He said it's because it was scary, not because he's sexist... god, people! =P
 
I'm sure some people were criticizing Feig and company and accusing them of using a shield. Heres the problem with this situation. You have a group who doesn't seem to be interested in the movie due to the direction they are taking it or based off the trailers. Then you have one group who doesn't like the movie because its an all female cast. Now you have to filter through all the garbage comments to try and see why people are upset. So I'm sure Feig and company did feel like a lot of vitriol was due to an all female cast. Just like some people may have legitimate complainants not due to an all female cast. Who may feel like they've been written off due to some people or lumped in with the other camp. It happens all the time. When a group gets offended sometimes they just see blood and go after anyone who says anything negative no matter how rational the argument. Not everyone but some do. Its a sensitive situation where people are quick to snap at each other.

Rolfe's video isn't pointless. He made it for his fans and put it out on his youtube channel. Where else is he supposed to address his fans? I mean I suppose he could of said something over social media but likely he wanted to reach as many of his fans as possible. And anyone that knows James knows hes a ghostbuster fan which means they want to know his opinions on the film. So he released a statement to his fanbase. Its not his fault that other outlets got wind of it and plastered the story all over the place. And again its not a contest.

Why are you acting like if someone defends one person then they're against another or trying to lump people in a group? Its funny because me and most others I see defending Rolfe haven't not even remotely approved of the harrasment directed towards Feig and others involved in that movie or Patton Oswald yet because someone may not speak up and say that harassment is wrong no matter who its directed to then we must be apathetic towards them. As for where people were? I don't know? Maybe like me they're more avgn fans then the new ghostbusters reboot fans. Maybe thats why more people are aware of the discussion involving ghostbusters?

I just saw this on Reddit. I don't always agree with TB (since he can be an asshole) but this time, he is right. Save your energy and don't waste your time

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Anyone up for more trailer reactions?

https://youtu.be/0aneh5R-ctM

LOL
 
I just saw this on Reddit. I don't always agree with TB (since he can be an asshole) but he is right. Save your energy and don't waste your time

Lol yes people who have issues with the sexist (love that he put it in scare quotes) backlash against this film that's existed since cast announcing are just shills or crazy.

A reasoned reaction as always from TB. God knows he's the guy I'd go to for opinions on sexism....

ComicBookGirl19 also had something to say about the new trailer in the beginning of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwq3Ir8LXPA

Lots of new unconscious sexists for Vainglorious and Bobby Roberts to complain about.

So is this basically look a woman agrees with me so QED Bobby Roberts QED?

Btw it was written by Feig and The Heat writer So yeah it's not one of those passionless for hire writing situations. So shows what she knows frankly.
 
I'm just going to copy paste a response from a friend on the subject of this new trailer, summarises where I feel with the movie.
I've got no problem with them remaking Ghostbusters and making them women and all that, my only problem with it is that it looks shit. And like, not even shit compared to the originals or whatever, just flat out shit. If the Ghostbusters were being played by guys in this one, it would probably be Adam Sandler, Kevin James, David Spade and like Tyler Perry or some shit, thats the level they're pegging this movie at.

The original two weren't cinematic masterpieces or anything, but they at least had a kind of witty charm to them that seems to be utterly missing from this remake. And the humour was at least a bit clever and not just a series of sex jokes, race gags, gender gags and sassy black people going "Ahhh hell naww!"

The other thing I always liked about the originals, is they did a pretty good job of blending the comedy with some actual genuine horror elements. I don't get that feeling from this one at all either, all the ghost stuff seems like its big and bright and colourful and more like something from a Scooby Doo movie than anything that could be played as genuine horror elements.

By all means remake stuff, some remakes I'd say even rival or are better than the originals (Dawn of the Dead and the new Planet of the Apes movies spring to mind), but shitty remakes like this one we're better off without.
 
Lol yes people who have issues with the sexist (love that he put it in scare quotes) backlash against this film that's existed since cast announcing are just shills or crazy.

A reasoned reaction as always from TB. God knows he's the guy I'd go to for opinions on sexism....



So is this basically look a woman agrees with me so QED Bobby Roberts QED?

Btw it was written by Feig and his Spy Co-Writer. So yeah.

Just like that black/latino/gay/trans/ friend ...
 
Or just "Not everyone who doesn't like the trailer is a sexist."

Yes no shit.

And if that's what was being said by Bobby Roberts or me you'd have a point.

Alas though...


Glad you linked to the video by someone who didn't care enough to look up who wrote the movie though or look into who Paul Feig is and the work he does.

It might suck. But if it does it will be because Feig dropped the ball not because he didn't care and wasn't trying and was just cashing in.
 
James Rolfe "I don't wanna see it, movie looks kinda meh" and here we are still talking about it. He's not even a movie reviewer, if he never made the video and just never made a video no one would be talking about him in the first place. This is such a nonissue, my god man.
 
Oh but Bobby is definitely saying that. Did you see the blog he linked to?
James is an "unconscious sexist" apparently and "dangerous".

I don't remember linking to any blog.

You probably don't either since you don't actually read what I write.

Am I this thread's boogeyman now. You got people up in here invoking my name like Candyman.
 
I just saw this on Reddit. I don't always agree with TB (since he can be an asshole) but this time, he is right. Save your energy and don't waste your time

Total Bisquit has a comment on Screen Junkies video, and again he takes the "sexism is one of the factors" and read as "everyone who complains is sexist" =P

TotalBiscuit said:
Maybe its the most disliked trailer in history because everyone and their mother wrote about how it was such a big controversy that people didn't like it, which drew in further attention, bandwagoning and infighting to the trailer? It has snowballed over the course of months and outlets see easy money in continuing to poke that particular bear.

Maybe it's because you're posting videos like this that the trailer continues to get people jumping on it.

You ask if you put out the same trailer with Channing Tatum etc, would it get as many dislikes? If they were spouting the same awful jokes, the same racial stereotypes, the same Haunted Mansion level CGI, the same abject disregard for any connection to the original, maybe it would. But hey, let me ask you this. Can you so easily explain away the dislikes of the new CoD trailer, the second most disliked video in Youtube history? Must have been their all female cast! Oh wait, no, it doesnt have that. People bandwagon, its what they do. CoDs trailer became a bandwagon, so did Ghostbusters and it was egged on by the media.

Where was the hate over Spy, or Fury Road? Hell why do we venerate Alien as one of if not the best sci-fi-horror of all time when its got a female lead? To claim that sexism is such a big part of the dislike of this video is to ignore how many films in the same genre have been adored by "nerd culture", which, at least according to the hack journalists online, is now the biggest hive of sexism scum and villainy this side of the known galaxy.

Why are people more riled up over Ghostbusters than they are over the Point Break remake? Do you even have to answer that question? One is one of the most venerated sci-fi/comedy franchises of all time in film and the other one is Point Break... Nobody cares about Point Break.

"Hey you should go see it and form your own opinion". Why should consumers be asked to hand over money to see something that they don't think is going to be very good, based on the footage the studio themselves put out? Isnt it the studios job to convince people to go and see it through trailers, not the consumers job to fork over their hard-earning money? It's easy to forget, regular people dont get free screenings of movies, they dont have the privilege of just "going and seeing it to make up their own mind", not without paying anyway. "Just go see it anyway!". Every movie deserves "a shot" you say. Sure, a message about not prejudging things is cool but movie tickets cost money. It's up to the studio to convince the consumer that their product is worth a shot. Obviously these guys haven't done that with this movie, at least for some people. Whose fault is that? No, some people have to work for a living and dont have money to just throw away like that. Have we forgotten that all of a sudden?

You talk about not doing the book report. It's not the consumers responsibility to do the book report, it's the critics responsibility. Consumers are completely entitled to write something off based on the only information they have (which are the trailers) and not spend their money on it. They're even entitled to throw some offhand remark about the movie sucking or leave a dislike (heaven forbid, a dislike!) on a video. That's not a critique. That's not a review. That's them taking 5 seconds of their life to say "nahh" and then move on. The dedicated trolls who just can't shut up about this are a tiny, tiny minority.

Were it not for every single media outlet including yours repeatedly covering it, throwing out ridiculous, blind accusations of sexism at anyone who dared dislike (credit to you, you brought it up but it didn't dominate your discussion unlike most) what looks to be a pretty awful remake (are we supposed to like Hollywood remakes now? I didnt get the memo), maybe this wouldn't have blown up as much as it did. But no, as much as I like your content, you along with every other media outlet saw a chance at a quick buck by fueling the fires of controversy and decided to just dive right in. There are times when people involved in an industry lose sight of what your everyday consumer is dealing with. You have dream jobs, I have a dream job, we get to work in an industry we love, we get all our shit for free, we get to go to lavish events, interact with stars. Regular joe doesn't get to do that and when we say things like "oh just give it a chance" his response is going to be "dude, what world do you live in where movie tickets are free?". Well, we do live in a world where movie tickets are free, but everyone else doesn't.

And here is the dude in the video's reply to his post

Dan Murrell's Reply said:
+TotalBiscuit, The Cynical Brit Hello TotalBiscuit! Dan Murrell (@murrelldan) here from the SJ account. Nice to meet you (digitally). Joe and I knew this would be a controversial issue, but man - this surprised even us! A lot of people agree with your comments - and we're all about having a discussion. That's one of the reasons I wanted to make this video - and, yes, this video was my idea. I just wanted to respond to your well-stated reply with a few of my (personal) thoughts and ideas.


I felt, with the reaction to both trailers, that having a discussion about the negativity surrounding Ghostbusters would be an interesting topic for this week's show. I never set out to foment an argument or fan flames. The Screen Junkies Show often covers topical news and, in my opinion, it seemed worthy of discussion. I 100% sincerely wanted to sit down and examine the reaction to this movie and the possible reasons for it. The bandwagon effect is something that also very likely contributed to the response to both trailers and it's an effect, to be fair, that we didn't address in the video. But this wasn't an attempt to get anyone to jump on that bandwagon.


In regards to sexism - I state very clearly that it is ONE of the reasons for the negative response, but not THE reason. As a matter of fact, I tried to make it very clear that I thought the sexism issue was given too much weight by some people, given that there are a lot of other contributing factors (remaking a beloved franchise, remake/franchise fatigue, etc).


The main point I was trying to get across was that trailers are absolutely open to criticism - I've done it myself on many occasions on this very channel. But I think it's also important not to write the book on any movie sight unseen. And I absolutely know that movies cost money. I don't expect everyone to have the means or the inclination to go see every movie that's released. I don't get into every movie for free, and believe me - when I pay to see a stinker, I'm not happy. My main point of contention is that so many people have already declared that Ghostbusters IS a terrible movie, that it IS an abomination, without giving it a chance to be seen by critics or moviegoers, and without the benefit of audience reaction of any kind, good or bad. In hindsight, I probably could have stated my side of the issue a little more clearly, but I feel like I got the essence of my point across.


I've criticized trailers for lots of movies, but I've still gone into those movies with an open mind. In putting this episode together, I'd hoped to stimulate a discussion on why Ghostbusters isn't getting the same benefit of the doubt that so many other movies do. Obviously, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, but I stand by what I said. I wasn't speaking for ScreenJunkies as a whole - I was speaking for myself, another distinction I could have made more clear.


I don't believe my mention of sexism was a blind accusation, but I also don't believe that everyone who disliked the trailers is a sexist. I feel that I was very clear on that point in the video. This is a very complex issue with lots of moving parts and I wanted to talk with Joe and Hal about it. This video wasn't seen as a chance to "make a quick buck" or "fuel the flames" - I was legitimately interested in having and starting a conversation. I count my blessings every day for the dream job that I have and I don't live in a world where I think that I'm above anyone or take what I have for granted. I'm a guy who's loved movies since I was a kid and I get to do what I love every day, which includes having discussions like these about movies.


And speaking of movies - I think it's also important to remember that "at the end of the day" (as Andy would say) - this is just a movie. :) Good or bad, I don't think that liking or disliking it says much about anyone except how much they like brightly colored ghosts and slime. Thanks for sharing your thoughts - Dan "No More Ghostbusters Talk" Murrell
 
I shall now, perhaps unfairly, explain the mentality of some of the people reacting negatively to this movie.

"Don't make me question if I'm sexist, or if something I like is sexist! Shut up about sexism. If I take a moment to stop and think about whether I'm sexist or AVGN is sexist, then I might feel terrible or struggle to enjoy AVGN going forwards and I don't want that...

So shut up about sexism."

Is that unconscious sexism? I don't know. Is it sexist? I don't think so... but it's sure as shit privilege.

And if you don't want people to think you're sexist, here's a great tip.

Don't loudly protest that you're not sexist, while trying to shut down a discussion of the real sexism that's highly visible in the response to the Ghostbusters remake.
 
I shall now, perhaps unfairly, explain the mentality of some of the people reacting negatively to this movie.

"Don't make me question if I'm sexist, or if something I like is sexist! Shut up about sexism. If I take a moment to stop and think about whether I'm sexist or AVGN is sexist, then I might feel terrible or struggle to enjoy AVGN going forwards and I don't want that...

So shut up about sexism."

Is that unconscious sexism? I don't know. Is it sexist? I don't think so... but it's sure as shit privilege.

And if you don't want people to think you're sexist, here's a great tip.

Don't loudly protest that you're not sexist, while trying to shut down a discussions of the real sexism that's highly visible in the response to the Ghostbusters remake.

I mean for all the shit Bobby Roberts is getting it's funny how often they ignore that he's said he doesn't think the trailers have been that hot.
 
Did my part. Downvoted.

The problem with this shit is the fact that they tried to find the female equiv's of the original cast. They literally act as it is some homage to the original movie which it comes of as insulting.

Why is this a bad thing? I don't get this attitude at all. Movie looks great.
 
I don't remember linking to any blog.

You probably don't either since you don't actually read what I write.

Am I this thread's boogeyman now. You got people up in here invoking my name like Candyman.
Well, I'm but a casual lurker in this thread but your meltdown was certainly noteworthy. Particularly the cake metaphor.
 
A reasoned reaction as always from TB. God knows he's the guy I'd go to for opinions on sexism....

You mean you don't want to be getting your news on what is and is not sexism from the guy that said Zoey Quinn should ignore death threats because she hasn't died from them?

And if you don't want people to think you're sexist, here's a great tip.

Don't loudly protest that you're not sexist, while trying to shut down a discussions of the real sexism that's highly visible in the response to the Ghostbusters remake.

10/10

But enabling sexism is sexism in itself. It's proclaiming that you would rather defend X than speak up against bullshit. Just like making racist jokes is racist.
 
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