Inferno313
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I'm still not wholly convinced Star Trek is making that date.
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I'm still not wholly convinced Star Trek is making that date.
QuantumZebra
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Nah it will at bare minimum be a Mad Max situation (~100-150 budget with a ~350-400ish return) .. more likely the numbers are gonna look like 500 milly when it washes out
michaeltraps
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Reboots continue to be a thing because they feed off of nostalgia and brand/name recognition. If they didn't make studios money, they wouldn't exist. I've heard this reboot=cash grab/easy money argument from all corners of the internet regarding not only this movie franchise, but also video games.
What I'm saying is I'm not understanding people making the argument of a reboot being an assault on their nostalgia / their favorite childhood franchise as a quick money grab, but thinking a sequel with the same/some of/none of the original cast would somehow be better or not as slimy.
Definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'm a big Kristen Wiig fan, it's just the trailers diminished my hype a bit. As far as July movies go, it's at about the same level of hype as Star Trek Beyond for me ("It might be alright,") compared to movies I'm much more excited for like The BFG and Cafe Society.
Wag
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You mean it wasn't?😂
That post is hilarious. Thanks for linking us to that. I might have responded to him.
I don't think Ghostbusters is nearly the draw overseas that it is in North America, when you look at the box office splits.
I don't think McCarthy is a big draw overseas, nor is Hemsworth established outside of Marvel stuff. Probably looking at Pixels-type numbers from foreign BO.
Pimpbaa
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Because reboots almost always fail to have the charm of the original movie and often change shit for the worse. A good sequel continues the setting, story, and characters people already love. I don't understand how anyone who enjoys movies cannot see how sequels (proper sequels) are a much better thing.
Kabuki Waq
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I think this would go over better if it felt like a re-imagining more than what appears to be a remake. it seems to follow the same beats but with genders being switched for whatever reasons.
maybe should have made it rated r. McCarthy is best when swearing.
maybe should have made it rated r. McCarthy is best when swearing.
kavanf1
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Don't forget Gleaming the Cube. For some reason I still remember the words to the theme song for this film. And Tony Hawk is in it!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No he's not, spidey-covered doppelganger of mine. He's grandstanding. We've gone over this in the previous thread, and it looks like while I was asleep the topic was fumbled at like an amputee in a rugby match, but his message isn't positive at all. He's speaking for himself, he's not trying to teach a lesson to anyone, he's making a big mistake as a critic (and whether or not people consider him professional or amateur is beside the point - people kept trying to pull that one in the other thread like the fact he reviews shit movies means he's exempt from making bonehead bush league mistakes) by turning his decision not to see it into some sort of weird pop-culture-political speech.
He's shitting in an already poisoned well, essentially. Nobody wants to see or hear that. Sure, he's got the right to do it. Its his channel, he can do what he wants. But it's a fuckin dumb move, which is why he's eating the criticism he's eating. He's not some poor victim of clickbait journalism. He's not a victim at all.
That's one of the bigger problems with this conversation, one I've addressed previously: There's a level of insecurity consistently at play, to varying degrees of loudness, and that insecurity is fueling a lot of people's arguments, and those arguments are intended to more or less make sure anyone looking understands who the real victims of this film's fallout are: Ghostbusters Fans.
We're seeing a lot of people trying to wrestle these narratives into place:
*I'm the victim because someone might think I'm sexist
*I'm the victim because my childhood memories are being manhandled
*I'm the victim because I can't just dislike something without being judged for it
*I'm the victim because Hollywood won't serve my thirst for original filmmaking.
There are a lot of angry insecure boys trying to ensure you understand how unfairly they think they're being treated simply because they're Ghostbusters fans, and the strength of those arguments is often not enough to bend the foam pool noodles you used to plug into the front of your old Proton Pack toys.
Rolfe essentially volunteered to be their figurehead with that video, and he knew he was doing it. And that's disappointing on more than a couple levels. His criticism isn't just mindless piling-on by fellow members of the pop-culture critics sewing circle. It's people having a legitimate problem with the stunt he pulled, and the contribution to the needlessly negative atmosphere of the offense olympics currently roiling fullspeed at all times.
All of which is maddening/confusing/incomprehensible because we're talking about a fuckin' GHOSTBUSTERS movie here. Of all the things.
Ghostbusters.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
It's basically coming down to whos shitty opinion matters more and at the end of the day no ones does. The film looks shit will probably do $45 million tops.
Bobby Roberts
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Of all the ridiculous shit said in these threads over the past two years, this is up there.
cr0w
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vainglorious
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Found an article that articulates why the criticism around this movie is troublesome.
Not everyone who has issues with the new Ghostbusters is sexist, clearly. But what the hell is driving people like "Angry Video Game Nerd" to publicly state that he's refusing to review the movie when it's released? Why do we again have this weird cross section within the gaming community of overtly sexist behavior and attitudes? The attitudes that helped feed the destructive Gamergate agenda are clearly bubbling beneath the surface of this Ghostbusters nonsense. And that bothers me.
Not everyone who has issues with the new Ghostbusters is sexist, clearly. But what the hell is driving people like "Angry Video Game Nerd" to publicly state that he's refusing to review the movie when it's released? Why do we again have this weird cross section within the gaming community of overtly sexist behavior and attitudes? The attitudes that helped feed the destructive Gamergate agenda are clearly bubbling beneath the surface of this Ghostbusters nonsense. And that bothers me.
Christopher
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Remember this.
brandonh83
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Agreed with that post and when I mentioned to James on Twitter that I wish fans could be more open minded, his legionnaires came to his defense and have spent the past two days sending me dickbag tweets; I've had over 340 notifications within the past 48 hours. If this doesn't reflect the nature of nerd culture, nothing does.
Ed Helms's Vacation broke $45m.
I mean, it is fine to disagree with James and all, but some of these reactions I am reading on the internet, good lord. I have to wonder how people cope with life if they are on the edge because of a guy not wanting to go to a film because the promotional material, to him and many, looks like shit. Hell, I do not even agree with him on some of his key points, but what an emberassing anf immature shitstorm of a reaction.
Bobby Roberts
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Disregarding it is a better use of effort.
Think of how many people managed to cope with their decision to not watch a movie later this summer without turning it into a 20 minute video.
Again - why the rush to allow Rolfe the victimhood he's so fraudulently claiming? He's not a victim. He bought this criticism with his dumb stunt. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
A good write up by Faraci, though that doesn't excuse his really mean-spirited tweet about Rolfe.
I was on board for the movie when it was announced and the cast and director. The first trailer kind of let me down and now I'm not sure I really want to see it (X-Men Apocalypse did the same thing, was excited then really, really not). Latest trailer did a little more for me but still not back on the train to go and see it.
I was on board for the movie when it was announced and the cast and director. The first trailer kind of let me down and now I'm not sure I really want to see it (X-Men Apocalypse did the same thing, was excited then really, really not). Latest trailer did a little more for me but still not back on the train to go and see it.
I simply do not see what is such a big deal about someone wording why he doesn't want to go to a film. Offcourse the toxic comments in favour of him by his fanbase aren't any better. But why do people get this riled up? I don't get it.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not really that big a deal, though.
He did a dumb thing. People are telling him so.
It will largely be forgotten in another 48 hours unless you're specifically seeking out larger conversations about Ghostbusters in online communities specifically focused on the film.
It's the sentiment at the root of his reasoning. He feels offended/insulted that Ghostbusters is going a direction he doesn't prefer. He is the aggrieved party here, and his video is how he chooses to reject/fight back against this affront to his feelings.
Nothing about that isn't claiming some semblance of victimhood.
Mr. Pointy
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It's fairly obvious it's a bit to promote a follow up video about the canned Ghostbusters 3. And criticism of that is warranted. But the vitriol it's getting beyond that is fucking impressive.
Not as impressive as the vitriol this movie is getting.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Exactly. The film came into the world via birth announcement by Mike Fleming Jr. who skewed it negative (and sexist) from jump, at which point the tone was set and the game was afoot.
Rolfe getting some twitter heat and a couple thinkpieces from other members of the enthusiast press ain't shit in comparison.
SynthFetish
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Looks good to me, as good as a remake can look anyways.
What a pathetic article and pathetic person. This is really telling about the kind of people who would write articles insinuating that those who don't want to see a movie are sexist. It shows that they'll just go after anyone regardless of who they are or what they're saying. It shows that their attacks are random and worthless. Because they couldn't have picked a worst target than James, who is one of the nicest most honest celebrities on the Internet. He made one of the tamest negative reaction videos on the awful trailer out there. He didn't even tell others not to see it, even though he should have. People should be persuaded not to spend money on low quality remakes. But James didn't even go that far.
Jawmuncher
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I can understand the fanbase's disappointment. A lot of it just seems to stem from wanting one final movie with the original gang to close everything up. Instead they get a reboot that doesn't acknowledge anything from the past (canon wise) but heavily relies on it. Obviously a good chunk of this fanbase is going about it the wrong way. I think even a reboot with a all new male cast would have garnered scrutiny (though probably not as much). Since It seems a lot of them wanted to see a passing of the torch over anything else.
Regardless at this point all you can really hope for is that the movie is actually good, and that maybe future projects can satisfy more people. Since it sounded like sony really wants to make a big universe out of Ghostbusters going forward. It's not much of a stretch to have a ghost portal that leads to the original ghostbuster universe for example.
I still wonder how things would be received if the movie had the original ghostbusters even just for a short time passing the torch to the same current all female team in this new movie.
Regardless at this point all you can really hope for is that the movie is actually good, and that maybe future projects can satisfy more people. Since it sounded like sony really wants to make a big universe out of Ghostbusters going forward. It's not much of a stretch to have a ghost portal that leads to the original ghostbuster universe for example.
I still wonder how things would be received if the movie had the original ghostbusters even just for a short time passing the torch to the same current all female team in this new movie.
Have you ever considered a professional career in mindreading?
Bobby Roberts
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I understand that a lot of people consider the art of paying attention to be an almost superhuman trait, but I don't think that talent alone is a job anyone is hiring for.
I mean, I'll keep an eye out for "attention-payer" on craigslist, I guess.
This is what I feel people are missing when leveling their criticisms. The vitriol in which they want to level them and the overwhelming need to voice their criticisms. The sane people without agendas jumped off the ethics in journalism train of gamergate pretty quickly when they saw it was turning into something else. People generally don't want to be associated with something toxic like that, especially over something like an opinion that doesn't really matter all that much. I'm getting the same vibes with this movie and the sheer amount of gross hate its getting over trailers that compares to nothing before it. Yes you can voice your opinion or criticism, voice it and be done. It's when people stick around and vehemently and constantly protest their point and want to constantly argue and prove they are not a misogynist that raises eyebrows. It's like, this is a forum, if you just dropped in and said "nah don't like it" and left no one would give a fuck or even remember who you are. When you make constant tirades or video protests, again over a trailer, yea, at that point you are bringing attention to yourself and your motives.
Hot Coldman
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Thanks Bobby for putting the nebulous negative feeling I had watching Rolfe's video into words.
I mean, it's just truly amazing how you can take someone's words, and then tell us what they really meant or really feel in a way that supports your argument! I think you could make some money with that.
Although Devin Faraci may have already cornered the market.
vainglorious
Member
Did you even read the article? Because... you're kind of proving it's point friend. What a weird persecution complex.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
They always do. lol
I did. The article says it doesn't make them sexist but then implies that they're sexist.
"They may not be consciously aware of it, but their innate sexism is giving a boost"
How can someone type this line with a straight face?
And then someone read that and thought "Yeah, that makes sense"
It's mind boggling. Jesus, the trailer wasn't even good. If the trailer was great, implying that someone didn't like it was sexist would still not be a good thing to do, but the fact that this trailer is poor quality and that's what people are getting called sexist over makes it embarrassing.
Bobby Roberts
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DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
If James Rolfe doesn't want to watch the new movie or review it, fine. Making a video just to use that as some kind of protest is childish though. Especially when the guy made his name reviewing media he hates.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Holy shit, this is a great fucking point.
He reviews movie trailers. This wasn't his only movie trailer review. Should he only review them when he likes the trailer?
He's clearly a victim because he's being attacked for not wanting to see a movie.
vainglorious
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Excuse me. No. Stop it.
Not liking a movie trailer does not make you or anyone else inherently sexist. The point that others and I are stressing are why is that this THIS movie specifically has garnered so much anger from some in the gaming community and others on the internet?
Why did every other reboot over the past several years, like Total Recall, Conan The Barbarian, Mad Max: Fury Road, Robocop, etc not generate a dislike campaign on YouTube for its trailers? Why do people like James feel the need openly state that they refuse to review THIS movie specifically?
BassForever
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Of all the mixed to extremely negative reactions to the film why is James' the one people have decided to declare war over? I've read articles and long winded explanation posts so I don't need a dozen more it's just kinda sad that we live in an age where someone basically saying "I don't want to pay to see a film because the trailers look bad maybe it'll be good but nothing they've shown has told me otherwise" can become yet another tool for people to try and push their agendas one way or the other.
kunonabi
Gold Member
I'd have been super psyched for a sequel or spin-off/new ip of an all women team of ghost hunters. Well, assuming it was a different cast and director anyway. Hollywood would never sign off on my dream cast but Wiig and McCarthy are just big turnoffs despite how much I like Wiig outside of her movie roles.
Inferno313
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"Sexist" isn't a slur. It's an adjective. Most men, at some point in their life, will have a sexist thought unfortunately. It doesn't make them inherently sexist, but it is something to be aware of and combat. If people reacted to actual sexism the way they react to something being called sexist, the world would be a better place.
I'm partly joking, of course, but I really find this method of argument annoying. Basically the Faraci article boils down to:
"You may dislike the trailer for valid reasons, but your dislike for it is also amplified by innate, subconscious sexism"
If you think that's an unfair take on his article, please explain.
My problem with this is that it's unfalsifiable. There's nothing James Rolfe can ever do to disprove that his reaction is caused by subconscious sexism. There's also nothing Faraci can do to really prove it, other than say "it just makes sense" or he's just good at "paying attention" like Bobby Roberts supposedly is.
I'm not saying you should never take a guess at someone's subtext, or that people can't say something while meaning something different. You can, but it's usually by taking into account someone's tone, or body language. Or if you've known them personally for years, you can develop a knack for perusing what they really mean when they say something, even subconsciously. But that's not what's happening here, imo. What's happening is people taking a pretty boring, unemotional 6-minute video of someone saying they're not going to see a movie and then becoming armchair psychologists to claim all kinds of things about Rolfe's subconscious mind. It's bullshit.
"You may dislike the trailer for valid reasons, but your dislike for it is also amplified by innate, subconscious sexism"
If you think that's an unfair take on his article, please explain.
My problem with this is that it's unfalsifiable. There's nothing James Rolfe can ever do to disprove that his reaction is caused by subconscious sexism. There's also nothing Faraci can do to really prove it, other than say "it just makes sense" or he's just good at "paying attention" like Bobby Roberts supposedly is.
I'm not saying you should never take a guess at someone's subtext, or that people can't say something while meaning something different. You can, but it's usually by taking into account someone's tone, or body language. Or if you've known them personally for years, you can develop a knack for perusing what they really mean when they say something, even subconsciously. But that's not what's happening here, imo. What's happening is people taking a pretty boring, unemotional 6-minute video of someone saying they're not going to see a movie and then becoming armchair psychologists to claim all kinds of things about Rolfe's subconscious mind. It's bullshit.
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