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Bobby Roberts said:
Why shouldn't they? I don't get your line of questioning. You think a guy with millions checking him out on YouTube should go ignored when he does a dumb thing?

Why would that be the case?
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What dumb thing did he do to invite all this abuse? Have an rather well thought out opinion about something? Not wanting to watch a movie he thinks shouldn't have been made? Or is it because most of the people ragging on him automatically assume he has sexist intentions and want to shame him for it. Jesus christ, he doesn't want to review a movie, a fucking movie, and people are acting like he made a video endorsing Trump or something.
 
stufte said:
What dumb thing did he do to invite all this abuse?
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This has been explained numerous times, Stufte. I'm pretty sure you've read the explanations as to why people are percieving his video as being a big fat mistake.

We get that you would like for people to leave James alone. But it shouldn't really be confusing as to why his video has drawn criticism at this point.
 
brandonh83 said:
Again the dumbest thing about all of this is that... I'm like, 99% sure he'll see the movie. Even if he gets in for free somehow or sees it through other means, watching the movie at all would go against his "movement" here. I say if you boycott something or "refuse" to see it, then not seeing it at all would be the only option to not be seen as a complete hypocrite and again I don't see him not watching it.

Especially if it reviews well/gets decent word of mouth. What then? Will he be like, well, I made that video saying I wouldn't see it so I better not (but I'll watch it anyway and not tell anyone about it). Something similar happened with the last Ninja Turtles movie.
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Yeah like arguably wouldn't he do himself and his audience a disservice not getting his thoughts in on a new entry in a franchise he loves? That isn't even to say he's obligated to do it, but I think he just took a very weird route of getting to his decision.

Also: who is sending him abuse? He pretty much invited the commentary putting his thoughts out there. He created content as trite as it is to say, and people are criticizing it.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Why shouldn't they? I don't get your line of questioning. You think a guy with millions checking him out on YouTube should go ignored when he does a dumb thing?

Why would that be the case?
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Why is it a dumb thing?

It informs his viewers that he isnt going to review it and its a video that he monetizes while the majority agrees with him.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
This has been explained numerous times, Stufte. I'm pretty sure you've read the explanations as to why people are percieving his video as being a big fat mistake.

We get that you would like for people to leave James alone. But it shouldn't really be confusing as to why his video has drawn criticism at this point.
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Criticism of his fantasy is fine but writing a piece accusing him of disliking it just due to women and wanting Seth Rogan, unaware sexism and calling his opinion dangerous can be.. ironically... rather hurtful. He seems like a nice chap from everything I've seen, is a dad of his daughter and he now has people writing psychology blog articles on his personality. Criticism of his criticism isn't what is annoying some it's smearing of a person we have no genuine evidence to prop up some of the accusations tip toed around that are genuinely quite offensive if untrue.
 
BioHazard said:
I agree, I love that part in Rolfe's video where he wishes that, before Harold Ramis died, the reboot was the original cast back for "one last time" and handing the torch over to a new generation. He REALLY wanted them to go all Expendables 3? Sounds fucking awful.

But because they are not doing that, he's disappointed it doesn't match with his cringey fanfiction in his head
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Erm...it wasn't exactly fanfiction.
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters_III

Back when ideas for Ghostbusters 3 were being tossed around, Dan Aykroyd said that the new movie would be about passing the torch to a younger generation.
 
BioHazard said:
Then you would think ghostbusters fans would be thrilled that the Ghostbusters name is now back in the summer blockbuster spotlight this year. Why isn't this film proper? Because it doesn't have the original cast? You REALLY think a new ghostbusters film with the old remnants of the original cast phoning it in would be 'proper' ?
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Not to mention that Ackroyd and Reitman are producing, and that almost all of the original cast are in it, and have endorsed the project too.

Again, none of these things mean the project will be good... but imagine if Ackroyd and Reitman were producing a Paul Feig directed movie that had cameos from all of the original Ghostbusters in it (and it wasn't a Ghostbusters movie).

Ghostbusters fans like James would almost certainly be lining up to see it. I bet you that James saw Evolution no matter how bad it looked.

PepsimanVsJoe said:
Erm...it wasn't exactly fanfiction.
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters_III

Back when ideas for Ghostbusters 3 were being tossed around, Dan Aykroyd said that the new movie would be about passing the torch to a younger generation.
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Ghostbusters 3 didn't happen because Bill Murray thought the script was garbage. James Rolfe still wanted him to sign on though I'd bet. Bill Murray signed on to do this Ghostbusters movie. Huh.
 
stufte said:
You must not watch much of his stuff... or you do and you're ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between his AVGN stuff and his regular non-AVGN stuff.
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I'm saying this video in particular he sounds like his AVGN persona. A petulant man-child.
 
stufte said:
What dumb thing did he do to invite all this abuse? Have an rather well thought out opinion about something?
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I didn't realize he was being abused. He's clearly entitled to do whatever he wants. Him not seeing the film isn't a sin. However, I think he'll still see it even despite his proclamation because he's a nerd and us nerds are always bested by curiosity.
 
BioHazard said:
Then you would think ghostbusters fans would be thrilled that the Ghostbusters name is now back in the summer blockbuster spotlight this year. Why isn't this film proper? Because it doesn't have the original cast? You REALLY think a new ghostbusters film with the old remnants of the original cast phoning it in would be 'proper' ?
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It's either get the original cast back, even for something like a little skit similar to what was done for "Back to the Future" on Jimmy Kimmel, or don't make another one at all. Clearly, fans of the original movies aren't liking the new movie, and I'm sure most of that is driven by how shitty the trailers are making it out to be.

I know, folks love to pretend that this backlash is driven by sexism, but that would mean that the "most disliked movie trailer on YouTube" was swarmed by a majority of sexist jerks and not regular viewers and/or fans of the original duology.

Though, the line, "I don't know if that was a race thing, or a lady thing, but I'm mad as Hell" only seems to give further credence to the fans who are claiming that this "female Ghostbusters" reboot is a product of our time. One where people get pissy over a white-washed cast for a movie or misrepresented/underutilized cast of minorities and female leads.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Why is this continuing to come up.
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Because unlike said accusations it is something that is a fact to somewhat peer into his personal life. I could ask why is it okay to go after his personality based on a video about Ghostbusters? Is that somehow better evidence of his humane side than knowing he has a family? Being a dad doesn't prove much but it is certainly more potentially telling of his personal life than a video about Ghostbusters leading to claims he has issues with women cast and potential sexism.
 
stufte said:
What dumb thing did he do to invite all this abuse? Have an rather well thought out opinion about something? Not wanting to watch a movie he thinks shouldn't have been made? Or is it because most of the people ragging on him automatically assume he has sexist intentions and want to shame him for it. Jesus christ, he doesn't want to review a movie, a fucking movie, and people are acting like he made a video endorsing Trump or something.
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This isn't abuse. It's criticism. People are doing the same thing to his video that he's doing to Ghostbusters. Except, hold on, they actually watched the thing their criticizing.
 
plagiarize said:
Ghostbusters 3 didn't happen because Bill Murray thought the script was garbage. James Rolfe still wanted him to sign on though I'd bet. Bill Murray signed on to do this Ghostbusters movie. Huh.
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Okay?

I'm only pointing out that the "passing the torch" storyline wasn't just an idea in some fanboy's head.
 
I think we should drop the idea that there are is a significant number of people that think anyone who isn't excited about this movie is sexist or a manchild. I'm sure they exist, but honestly most of the people in this thread criticizing Rolfe aren't coming at it from that angle. Reading through this thread and Faraci's article really helped me understand the backlash that his video got.

The atmosphere around this movie is really ugly right now, and an internet celebrity on his level making a video about refusing to review the movie just doesn't help. It turned him into a figure that the actual sexist assholes could latch onto and push forward with their agenda to destroy this movie. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't want to be that figure and he really is just a big Ghostbusters fan that isn't into the reboot for Ghostbusters reasons, not political ones. I hope he proves me right and makes it clear that he isn't on these dudes side and doesn't want their support at all.

I do think that a lot of the insults and namecalling he got thrown at him over twitter were pretty ugly and unwarranted, but that doesn't mean his video shouldn't be criticized if people have legitimate problems with it.
 
PepsimanVsJoe said:
Okay?

I'm only pointing out that the "passing the torch" storyline wasn't just an idea in some fanboy's head.
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We're getting a metaphorical passing of the torch from the original actors to the new actors instead of a more literal one from the original characters to the new characters. Is it really that big a difference?
 
Bobby Roberts said:
It's not harmful, so lets make sure it gets lumped in and treated absolutely equally to the one that is demonstrably harmful.

That's logical.
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This thing where you repeat what people say but reword it to make them sound like morons is getting really old. Obviously it's not equal to the one that's demonstrably harmful, but that doesn't mean people can't still get irritated by it and push back.
 
Henkka said:
He put up the video about the history behind Ghostbusters 3, btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnLzz_hxzxo
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Oh man. We're opening with a defense of Ghostbusters II.

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plagiarize said:
We're getting a metaphorical passing of the torch from the original actors to the new actors instead of a more literal one from the original characters to the new characters. Is it really that big a difference?
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I don't know. Ask James Rolfe. All I did was post some stuff from a Ghostbusters wikia.
 
"people are going to ask his opinion of it because unlike you he has a fanbase where his opinion matters"

Someone to me on Twitter. lol. Like I said yesterday-- children. This is embarrassing.
 
Inferno313 said:
Oh man. We're opening with a defense of Ghostbusters II.

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I have zero issues with anyone defending Ghostbusters 2. I didn't now I wasn't supposed to like it until the internet happened. Yes, it sticks too close to the story beats of the first Ghostbusters, but it's funny and scary (when I was a kid) and two more hours with a cast that has amazing chemistry playing characters I love.

And Janosz. Holy fuck Janosz.
 
I really don't like that they seem to be going with the we have a gift / we're the only ones that can do this / we're special line of Hollywood action blockbuster for this.

Ghostbusters spoke to me, and others, because anyone could be a Ghostbuster given the right tools. It was a job, a totally fucking awesome job for sure, not a calling.

Whatever, this could still be cool I guess.
 
I don't dislike Ghostbusters 2. However, a lot of people find it very disappointing which proves that not even "da old crew!!!" are infallible.
 
plagiarize said:
I have zero issues with anyone defending Ghostbusters 2. I didn't now I wasn't supposed to like it until the internet happened. Yes, it sticks too close to the story beats of the first Ghostbusters, but it's funny and scary (when I was a kid) and two more hours with a cast that has amazing chemistry playing characters I love.

And Janosz. Holy fuck Janosz.
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Janosz is the absolute greatest thing about that movie. I can't even look at the guy without laughing. Peter MacNicol is brilliant. If you haven't seen Dracula: Dead and Loving It, check it out. His Renfield is almost as funny as Janosz is.

For me, my issue with the furor surrounding this film stems from the general attitude of "nerds" these days. The platform the internet has given them has made them absolutely insufferable, and it's almost impossible to tune them out. I used to be able to ignore the guy who spent his free time hanging out at the comic shop ranting and telling everyone how bad everything was while the staff barely tolerated his presence because he spent a shitload of money there or, if I was fed up with whatever he was ranting about, I would simply tell him to shut the fuck up, buy my shit and leave.

Now, you can't do that. The attitudes of people like that is absolutely pervasive these days, and it seems like everyone is trying to outdo each other to see how fucking shitty they can be about properties they feel like they personally own.

The same people claiming ownership of these properties are the people that I used to have to kick out of Toys R Us or the various shops I worked at years ago because they were toxic as fuck.
 
Just finished the video. I remember hearing all the news of stopping and going for Ghostbusters 3. So I think over the years that definitely played a part in souring a lot of the fans. Everyone does seem to agree at this point that the game is more or less the 3rd movie now.
 
Jawmuncher said:
Just finished the video. I remember hearing all the news of stopping and going for Ghostbusters 3. So I think over the years that definitely played a part in souring a lot of the fans. Everyone does seem to agree at this point that the game is more or less the 3rd movie now.
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Dan Aykroyd has literally said that the game is the third movie.
 
BassForever said:
Is Ghostbusters 2 about to pull a Batman Origins where suddenly it's everyone's favorite in the series?
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No. There are just those of us who think it's a pretty damn good movie. You'll still be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks it's the *better* movie though.

But all those people who were refusing to buy a $40 collection of the Arkham games since Origins isn't included. That was weird.
 
Gooster said:
Yeah like arguably wouldn't he do himself and his audience a disservice not getting his thoughts in on a new entry in a franchise he loves? That isn't even to say he's obligated to do it, but I think he just took a very weird route of getting to his decision.

Also: who is sending him abuse? He pretty much invited the commentary putting his thoughts out there. He created content as trite as it is to say, and people are criticizing it.
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Go take a stroll through social media where it's open season on personal attacks on him because he doesn't want to see a movie.
 
plagiarize said:
So he was totally open minded about how good a Ghostbusters 3 without Bill Murray could have been, but is not open to the idea of it getting remade?

*sigh*
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I don't think it's that far-fetched. It kind of reminds me of the whole DmC vs DMC. A lot of people like the original universe and would like to see it continue.
 
Inferno313 said:
Oh man. We're opening with a defense of Ghostbusters II.

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I honestly didn't realize GBII was so hated until finding out online. When I was younger I thought it was a great blend of humor and action. *shrug*

edit: That may also be due to having seen it way more times on TV than GB1. Kinda like how I don't hate the Tom Jane Punisher film as much as I should because I caught it all the time on FX when I was in high school.
 
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