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Liquidsnake said:
Can someone summarize what going on in this thread? I dont understand.
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It was originally a Trailer reaction thread but we're moving into territory of "What defines sexist?", who's playing victim versus who actually is a victim and whether people are being oversensitive or not. All of which I don 't think really has any place being the main discussion but we're pretty entrenched in this topic now.

Personally I just wanna discuss why people think the trailer was too spoiler-y because I felt it was just appropriate enough to give me something.
 
plagiarize said:
You misunderstand me. If you can be open minded to the original universe seeing a fruitful continuation without the star of the first movie coming back, you can be open minded to a remake being good too.
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You could be, but I don't think the two really go hand in hand. If you loved a movie (or series of movies) as a kid, and a new one was announced today, wouldn't you be way more excited if it had some ties to the stuff you saw years ago than a complete reboot?

Like, isn't a big part of the appeal of stuff like The Force Awakens and Jurassic World and Creed their ties (and sort of reverence for) the movies that came before? Personally, I'm way more into a movie where Rocky mentors Apollo Creed's son than just a remake of the first Rocky. But that's me.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Can someone summarize what going on in this thread? I dont understand.
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James Rolfe (AVGN, Cinemassacre) made a video about why he doesn't want to see the film. People on the internet took umbrage, writing articles and tweets that range from using it as a springboard to discuss the hate the film is getting to personal attacks on Rolfe. The thread itself derailed and caught fire a while ago.

Internet being the internet, in other words. Honestly, I felt Rolfe's video was pretty damn tame.
 
This is honestly one of the most exciting movie openings of all time for me. Not only am I still cautiously optimistic for the film-- hated the first trailer, but liked the Kevin featurette as well as the new trailer-- but that combined with the upcoming apocalypse means some truly exciting, clusterfuckian times ahead.
 
If you replaced McCarthy with someone like Andy Samberg the reception would be less harsh. I'm sure I'll get posts telling me Samberg is a billion times better than McCarthy.
 
Blader said:
You could be, but I don't think the two really go hand in hand. If you loved a movie (or series of movies) as a kid, and a new one was announced today, wouldn't you be way more excited if it had some ties to the stuff you saw years ago than a complete reboot?

Like, isn't a big part of the appeal of stuff like The Force Awakens and Jurassic World and Creed their ties (and sort of reverence for) the movies that came before? Personally, I'm way more into a movie where Rocky mentors Apollo Creed's son than a Rocky reboot. But that's me.
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I definitely understand this as well. After such long silence, I know for me personally knowing that the universe is continuing feels a better than a reboot. Unless the franchise had been run into the ground or something.

I wouldn't have been agaisn't a Jurassic Park reboot, but I would have been far more wary than I was with Jurassic World.
 
plagiarize said:
TLDR: A remake that would have been controversial anyway, given that a sequel had been in various stages of preproduction for years until one of the main stars died and a remake was fast tracked, gets record amounts of hate because a lot of people are *also* angry about the fact it now all stars women. Remake hate + disappointment about Ghostbusters 3 and Harold Ramis passing + sexism = shit storm.

People who are in the camp of the 'nerd who can't imagine a Ghostbusters movie made for anyone who isn't them' are paranoid about being seen as sexists and vocally deriding anyone criticizing the sexist backlash, and so are going on and on about how their hatred for the film isn't anything to do with being sexist.

Meanwhile actual sexists are doing just the same thing, poisoning the discussion for absolutely everyone, such is their want.

Some people think the movie doesn't look that great and are like 'why the hell is this thread moving so fast. oh shit what did I just walk into.'
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This is pretty accurate.
 
Puck Beaverton said:
If you replaced McCarthy with someone like Andy Samberg the reception would be less harsh. I'm sure I'll get posts telling me Samberg is a billion times better than McCarthy.
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I used to be one of those who, admittedly, was worried about McCarthy. At the time, all I'd seen is Bridesmaids, which I don't care for nor did I find her funny in it, but now that I've seen Spy, which I mostly enjoyed and liked her in... you know, it's not the actress. It's what the director and script give to said actress. McCarthy has range, she doesn't have to be a klutz, so to speak, and honestly her scenes in the trailer so far haven't suggested to me anyway that she's going to be like that.

If anything, the female Ghostbusters crew, like the male crew, are not being painted as a bunch of clumsy dipshits. Kevin, on the other hand...
 
Blader said:
You could be, but I don't think the two really go hand in hand. If you loved a movie (or series of movies) as a kid, and a new one was announced today, wouldn't you be way more excited if it had some ties to the stuff you saw years ago than a complete reboot?

Like, isn't a big part of the appeal of stuff like The Force Awakens and Jurassic World and Creed their ties (and sort of reverence for) the movies that came before? Personally, I'm way more into a movie where Rocky mentors Apollo Creed's son than just a remake of the first Rocky. But that's me.
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Again for me it's always about the who, not the why.

I was excited about a remake of The Evil Dead, because the original producers were intimately involved in the movie. It turned out great.

I am not currently excited about a Buckaroo Banzai continuation because as of right now, no one who made the original movie has been announced as involved.

If the original writers, director and producers of Tremors were going to produce a remake of it, I'd absolutely be more excited about their project than another Tremors movie from the people that made Tremors 5 (which I thought was okay) with only some of the original cast.

Creed was a passion project where the writer / director had a story he really wanted to tell. He had to convince the studio to do it. Dan Ackroyd just wanted to make a third Ghostbusters movie because he likes money.
 
ExVicis said:
Personally I just wanna discuss why people think the trailer was too spoiler-y because I felt it was just appropriate enough to give me something.
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Yeah, I dont' think this trailer is too spoilery, and that's taking into account I'm actually familiar with the general storyline of the film. There's stuff people think they got spoiled by which will not play out the way they're assuming it to.

It's kinda like seeing Louis Tully after the dog possesses him and assuming he becomes the bad guy of the film. You can do that. It wouldn't be right, though.

Phil0sophy said:
Bobby do you EVER think anybody is right? Other than yourself? Have you once in any of the discussions on this subject given an inch with your opinion? Or taken on board anything anybody has said?
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Happens all the time!
 
Looks like shit. Neon, candy-coated slapstick shit. Would look like shit if you replaced the cast with Seth Rogan and his crew. Or hell, even with the original cast! It just looks terrible.

It's pretty telling when a guy in a rubber suit (slimer) looks about 100x more believable than your 1000 render computers per frame cgi.

Damn thing is shot like a syfy original. Overlit wide shots with random glowing shit everywhere. Oooh but the ghost vomited! That's funny! Get it? Laugh people! Or else you're misogynists!

The cast is the least of this movie's worries.
 
vainglorious said:
That poster made a sexist remark about Melissa McCarthy in a thread discussing growing concerns around sexist remarks and attitudes surrounding this film. And your initial reaction is to question the responses of users in this thread if the original statement had been about a male actor? What kind of point are you trying to fucking make exactly dude?
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C'mon dude, don't make me try and defend that post because I also thought it was terrible.

But at least let's call it for what is: fat shaming. Which is also terrible. But sexist? The poster did not make any remarks about McCarthy condition as a woman. The (bad) joke was about the user thinking McCarthy was fat/ugly, not about her being a woman.

Again, the post was stupid and definitely mocking McCarthys appearance, and it was stupid, but let's not add the "sexist" card to it.
 
Ragnarok said:
It's pretty telling when a guy in a rubber suit (slimer) looks about 100x more believable than your 1000 render computers per frame cgi.
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Pretty sure they used a Slimer puppet here too?

I think that's the case. Could be wrong, but I'd heard some of the ghosts were practical effects this time around, too.
 
Phil0sophy said:
Bobby do you EVER think anybody is right? Other than yourself? Have you once in any of the discussions on this subject given an inch with your opinion? Or taken on board anything anybody has said?

I am not portraying myself as anything, YOU are portraying people as victims, YOU are portraying people as insecure, YOU are portraying people as whatever other insults you have decided to fling other peoples way who dare disagree with you.

Stating that bullying is happening, if it is towards me or others is not trying to be a victim, it is me sitting here reading your responses and noticing a trend in your behaviour and in others behaviour, the same way you apparently noticed a trend with how sexism is the reason the movie is so hugely hated upon.

I haven't flung a personal insult towards anybody during this debate, I haven't claimed that anybody who disagrees with me is insecure and I haven't taken personal indirect digs at others either.

I wanted to be silent on the matter because I am tired of discussing it with people who have an agenda and are not here to debate but rather just fling insults around, it's like being in a schoolyard at the moment, it truly is.

I don't want to be involved in this debate, I have said my piece, I moved away from the subject earlier and was discussing Ghostbusters toys (which again you indirectly mentioned when referenceing "insecure boys" might I add) I don't understand why you and others feel the need to attack people and then when you get called on your shit decide to then claim the people offended by the slander are trying to be "victims"

If I had said even half of what you and others have directed subtly towards people I would have been hung drawn and quartered by this point.
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Speaking of us boys and our toys, GREEN FOAM EXISTS!

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Still forever #teamyellow though
 
Firemind said:
Fuck Michael Bay y'all.
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I can support this also.

brandonh83 said:
I used to be one of those who, admittedly, was worried about McCarthy. At the time, all I'd seen is Bridesmaids, which I don't care for nor did I find her funny in it, but now that I've seen Spy, which I mostly enjoyed and liked her in... you know, it's not the actress. It's what the director and script give to said actress. McCarthy has range, she doesn't have to be a klutz, so to speak, and honestly her scenes in the trailer so far haven't suggested to me anyway that she's going to be like that.

If anything, the female Ghostbusters crew, like the male crew, are not being painted as a bunch of clumsy dipshits. Kevin, on the other hand...
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To be fair. It's not as if McCarthy has a spotless track record. Many of her non-Feig films are pretty terrible. So I can totally see why someone would be worried about Melissa McCarthy in this movie. But I like Wiig a lot and if she's given some good stuff she could arguably carry the movie.
 
Phil0sophy said:
Bobby do you EVER think anybody is right? Other than yourself? Have you once in any of the discussions on this subject given an inch with your opinion? Or taken on board anything anybody has said?

I am not portraying myself as anything, YOU are portraying people as victims, YOU are portraying people as insecure, YOU are portraying people as whatever other insults you have decided to fling other peoples way who dare disagree with you.

Stating that bullying is happening, if it is towards me or others is not trying to be a victim, it is me sitting here reading your responses and noticing a trend in your behaviour and in others behaviour, the same way you apparently noticed a trend with how sexism is the reason the movie is so hugely hated upon.

I haven't flung a personal insult towards anybody during this debate, I haven't claimed that anybody who disagrees with me is insecure and I haven't taken personal indirect digs at others either.

I wanted to be silent on the matter because I am tired of discussing it with people who have an agenda and are not here to debate but rather just fling insults around, it's like being in a schoolyard at the moment, it truly is.

I don't want to be involved in this debate, I have said my piece, I moved away from the subject earlier and was discussing Ghostbusters toys (which again you indirectly mentioned when referenceing "insecure boys" might I add) I don't understand why you and others feel the need to attack people and then when you get called on your shit decide to then claim the people offended by the slander are trying to be "victims"

If I had said even half of what you and others have directed subtly towards people I would have been hung drawn and quartered by this point.
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Bobby's hypothesis if I understand it, is that the sexism is why THIS remake is getting more hate than any other. Any Ghostbusters remake would have gotten hate as all remakes do (CF: any remake announcement). One that went into production right after one of the original stars died would have gotten more (CF: the Jumanji remake announcement). THIS one is getting record amounts of hate because the sexism puts it over the top.

Just go read the youtube comments if you don't think this movie has a whole extra slice of hate based on the cast.
 
Watched the trailer and it still looks like shit. Like pixels level of shit.
I may watch it on cinema but i'm not looking forward to it.
 
Ragnarok said:
Looks like shit. Neon, candy-coated slapstick shit. Would look like shit if you replaced the cast with Seth Rogan and his crew. Or hell, even with the original cast! It just looks terrible.

It's pretty telling when a guy in a rubber suit (slimer) looks about 100x more believable than your 1000 render computers per frame cgi.

Damn thing is shot like a syfy original. Overlit wide shots with random glowing shit everywhere. Oooh but the ghost vomited! That's funny! Get it? Laugh people! Or else you're misogynists!

The cast is the least of this movie's worries.
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Speaking of just the look of the movie I have to say I agree. I'm not a fan of all the neon and bright colors. I really do prefer the dirtier looks the original movies had. That's just a personal blanket preference though. I had the same issue with Prometheus compared to the Aliens movies.
 
plagiarize said:
Bobby's hypothesis if I understand it, is that the sexism is why THIS remake is getting more hate than any other. Any Ghostbusters remake would have gotten hate as all remakes do (CF: any remake announcement). One that went into production right after one of the original stars died would have gotten more (CF: the Jumanji remake announcement). THIS one is getting record amounts of hate because the sexism puts it over the top.

Just go read the youtube comments if you don't think this movie has a whole extra slice of hate based on the cast.
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Well that's a given. YouTube finds a way to be vile on cat videos.
 
What a GAF thread. Oy.

Anyway, I think the second trailer looked much better than the first. I think there's some possible enjoyment to be had.
 
ExVicis said:
To be fair. It's not as if McCarthy has a spotless track record. Many of her non-Feig films are pretty terrible. So I can totally see why someone would be worried about Melissa McCarthy in this movie. But I like Wiig a lot and if she's given some good stuff she could arguably carry the movie.
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Sure, but there's a little more to it than that. Actors are instructed what to do. If I see a performance in a movie that I don't like, if the actual performance is good but the writing/direction of the performance isn't something I like, I don't blame it on the actor. McCarthy has been in some bad movies; most actors have. But she's also demonstrated talent more than once and has been in a few critically acclaimed movies.

For me it's not really about who is in it, but rather how they're told to act, what they're given to say. McCarthy isn't inherently awful.
 
Audioboxer said:
Well that's a given. YouTube finds a way to be vile on cat videos.
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The point is the sexism is real... but only part of the story.

I've put it like this before, can't remember if I did so here. Sexism isn't the sole reason why the Ghostbusters remake is the most hated trailer on YouTube. It might not even be the main reason.

But... why is it the most hated of all the remakes so far? Sexism is a big part of that.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Yeah, I dont' think this trailer is too spoilery, and that's taking into account I'm actually familiar with the general storyline of the film. There's stuff people think they got spoiled by which will not play out the way they're assuming it to.

It's kinda like seeing Louis Tully after the dog possesses him and assuming he becomes the bad guy of the film. You can do that. It wouldn't be right, though.
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Yeah I suppose there's a few things that could be seen as spoilers but ultimately so much of the plot is still not told through the trailer. Usually it's a real concern in some trailers that everything is spoiled but I think as far as this 2nd one it was fine. We still haven't seen a good view of who the main villain is either so there's still a lot to discover.

But then again spoilers in a movie like this aren't the worst, the strength of this movie is more the banter and character interaction with each other which there should be near 2 hours of. A 2 minute trailer can't possibly spoil that.
 
I wasn't feeling it at all. Gender doesn't matter to me also. It could have Channing Tatam , Jonah Hill , Seth Rogan and Keenan Thompson as the Ghostbusters and it would still fall victim to the terrible jokes and writing.

Just doesn't look funny , maybe I'll check it out when it's on cable TV in a few years.
 
brandonh83 said:
Sure, but there's a little more to it than that. Actors are instructed what to do. If I see a performance in a movie that I don't like, if the actual performance is good but the writing/direction of the performance isn't something I like, I don't blame it on the actor. McCarthy has been in some bad movies; most actors have. But she's also demonstrated talent more than once and has been in a few critically acclaimed movies.

For me it's not really about who is in it, but rather how they're told to act, what they're given to say. McCarthy isn't inherently awful.
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McCarthy's casting worried me until I saw Spy and came to understand that Feig is trying to provide McCarthy with a different type of role to the ones she has been somewhat typecast in.

Judging from the trailers to Spy which did everything they could to make it look like she was playing the typecast role... I'm guessing there's basically none of that stuff in Ghostbusters since I'm sure if she was loud and obnoxious or clumsy and falling over and breaking stuff, that they'd have put that moment front and center in the trailer.
 
plagiarize said:
Judging from the trailers to Spy which did everything they could to make it look like she was playing the typecast role... I'm guessing there's basically none of that stuff in Ghostbusters since I'm sure if she was loud and obnoxious or clumsy and falling over and breaking stuff, that they'd have put that moment front and center in the trailer.
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There's stuff like "I'm gonna kick the ever living crap outta you... and you... and you!" from McCarthy, but... she's not falling down, or throwing up, or shitting her pants, nothing like that, and she's been portrayed as a smart character. I've seen people hate on that line, that part of the trailer, but it isn't anything offensive to me. She's having a moment where she feels empowered and her adrenaline kicks in, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
Pain & Gain is kind of an amazing thing to witness upon learning Bay considered it to be inspired by/an homage to the Coen Bros.

That's Bay's version of a Coen comedy.

It's fun as hell to watch but I felt shitty for enjoying it afterwards.
 
plagiarize said:
The point is the sexism is real... but only part of the story.

I've put it like this before, can't remember if I did so here. Sexism isn't the sole reason why the Ghostbusters remake is the most hated trailer on YouTube. It might not even be the main reason.

But... why is it the most hated of all the remakes so far? Sexism is a big part of that.
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I tend to think humanity has to be better than something such as that to be a large part. It exists, and trolls no doubt jump on the bandwagon for the lolz as well (not necessarily inherently sexist in their general life, just wanting to kick a beehive for "laughs"), but I think it's best to always be a little cautious of casting nets too wide. That tends to cause some to unfairly get tangled in the wrath deserved for others, such as James being a posterboy for an assault here. To be accused of something so vile genuinely hurts if you aren't deserving of it. It's even worse if you have to try and defend yourself and said defence just gets twisted into saying defence is automatically proof the accusation is true.

I mean we are all suppose to believe in innocent until proven guilty, but that seems to get thrown out of the window often when we discuss real modern day issues with a wide net.

That's my 2 cents on it, I may be wrong, but I also do genuinely think something can simply be made a large part of anything if enough hysteria and finger pointing leads to lots of causalities in that wide net. It becomes a self fufilling prophecy where the innocent till proven guilty is simply gone, and guilty is a verdict handed out on request when criticism or something is said you don't agree with.

On GAF of all places I don't particularly like to think sexism is a large problem... I mean people who are genuinely deserving of that badge of disgust most likely wouldn't make it past the junior stage. Some of the folks just driving by these topics saying "downvoted, done my part" I like to think deserve the benefit of the doubt they are said trolls I mentioned above, and not real cretins. Doesn't mean you can't be annoyed at their lack of real contribution, but it's a slippery slope just giving them a sexist tag without really knowing them as a person.
 
I thought Pain and Gain was shitty but it's also material I'm not interested in. I don't think Bay is a bad director, I just wish the poor guy would be coupled with a good script for once.
 
brandonh83 said:
I thought Pain and Gain was shitty but it's also material I'm not interested in. I don't think Bay is a bad director, I just wish the poor guy would be coupled with a good script for once.
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Come on, Brandon. You have to think The Rock as a Bible-Thumping Coke Fiend was at least mildly amusing.
 
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