Baloonatic
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Slimer kind of looked like they have added CG over an actual puppet like that exploding head in Prometheus.
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plasmawave
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All I read was your baseless assumptions. Again show me the evidence please.
plagiarize
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Well at least one of them said he's sorry
The other dude went private.
Daniel Carson's joke wasn't mean at all and was quite funny. The other two comments though... not so much.
Count Dookkake
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Will be interesting to see how this film's staying power compares to that of the original.
Bobby Roberts
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My complaining isn't coming from a stance wherein I feel personally afffronted/offended/aggrieved, so no.
I understood Kinyou's post to be a response to my previous post, which followed a line of posts that made very clear what kind of complaining was being talked about, the stance from which that complaining was issued, and the reasoning behind that stance.
It's pretty easy to understand in the context of the ongoing conversations.
If I was, at any point, making an argument sourced from a position of feeling somehow maligned by outside forces in the course of this brouhaha, then yeah, your question about my victimhood might actually apply to me.
But it didn't, and it doesn't.
Insecurity is a motherfucker.
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It's a whole thread. You're in it. You know how to search my name. Do so.
Everyone else is following along pretty well. People are even quoting me multiple times throughout so you can't possibly miss the points I'm making.
Feel free to ignore or dismiss at your pleasure, but don't pretend I didn't make 'em and then hit me up to retype things that are already there and waiting for you to reference.
I have to say, I think it's interesting that it only seems to be grown men who get up in arms about upcoming remakes of their beloved childhood properties. I mean, men just seem to have this totally bizarre ongoing fascination with their CHILDHOODS, always scrambling to protect the integrity of their CHILDHOODS from some imagined outside incursion, like fighter pilots scrambling to their jets the moment an alarm is sounded, almost as if their childhoods haven't long since past. Broadly speaking, you don't really see women really give a shit about this kind of stuff. You don't see THEM on internet forums, talking about how the latest film adaptation of some stupid ass cartoon cartoon about pizza-eating teenage ninja mutants is RAPING THEIR CHILDHOODS. They seem much more willing to accept that that period of their adolescence is over and move on with their lives. They just generally dont seem to form those kind of enduring, slavishly overprotective attachments to these kind of franchises as men do.
A new Ghostbusters film is being made. It's not replacing the original. It'll always still be there. So what's the problem? Why can't a new, younger generation enjoy their own Ghostbusters film as part of their own childhoods? Why do people seem so horrified by the concept of passing the torch with this particular, thirty year franchise?
I have no idea what I'm trying to say with this post, basically.
A new Ghostbusters film is being made. It's not replacing the original. It'll always still be there. So what's the problem? Why can't a new, younger generation enjoy their own Ghostbusters film as part of their own childhoods? Why do people seem so horrified by the concept of passing the torch with this particular, thirty year franchise?
I have no idea what I'm trying to say with this post, basically.
Liquidsnake
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Thanks for the recap man!
Audioboxer
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The anime has a close place in my heart <3 But I'll take that award with humility!
brandonh83
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I honestly feel like times have changed so much in the past few decades that no movies really have "staying power" anymore. We get legitimately great films but after a while people kinda just stop talking about them because the next new exciting, popular thing is right around the corner.
Especially nowadays where we have "cinematic universes," films that, even if they're terrific, are quickly shelved because we have the next thing to look forward to. Movies like the original Ghostbusters were released at a time where it was easier for things to become "classics." I'm not sure if I'm explaining this very well at all, it's just a feeling I've had about cinema in general for the past decade or so.
Basically, we're kinda spoiled these days.
plasmawave
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Yeah yeah whatever, still waiting for that evidence Bobby.
Maybe you're unconsciously full of shit?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Twitter was a mistake.
Good fucking lord.
vainglorious
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It is not the responsibility of others to guide you through this thread. The arguments and comments from posters are there. Go back a few pages and start reading.
Edit - Fyi, using an argument from ignorance and attempting to shift the burden of proof onto others is a really lazy means of discussion.
Demoncarnotaur
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Slimer could be done with some good puppet work and just a few CG enhancements, but I have no issue with them going full CG for him.
excelsiorlef
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Why is anyone blamimg Feig?
plasmawave
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I did and could not find anything with real substance.
Lol now this is just great, isn't it? No need to back up your accusation. Asking for proof is considered lazy now.
Please don't troll him and make him waste his time rereading this thread. There is nothing.
Saying he's unconsciously sexist and not being able to explain why isn't an argument.
Vampire On Titus
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Audioboxer
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Corronchilejano
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Is it wrong if I now disagree with everything and everyone? Because it feels like everyone is wrong.
mikefrails
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Do people feel like it's too hokey? It seems like a decent enough revision for modern viewers. Do you not like the cast?
starchild excalibur
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I asked a few pages back, but didn't see a lot of responses to the question of how many people watched Ghostbusters 1 for the first time as an adult and what their thoughts on it were. Because it definitely strikes me as a case of children or tweens loving a comedy that a lot of adults at the time probably just thought was okay at the time and that morphing into its current bubble over the years.
It'd be ironic as shit if Ghostbusters 2016 finds a new fan following amongst a younger audience and those same kids get pissed off when it's rebooted in 30 years.
brandonh83
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Nah, you're on-point.
SolidSnakex
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I get the Star Trek reference, but he's still replying and agree with someone making a joke about his wife being a gold digger. And I don't get why people are so angry in the first pace. I watched the video and he's not even in his "nerd" form where he's constantly slinging insults and profanity. He's just sitting there in a calm voice talking about why he doesn't want to watch it. And that's somehow made people upset at him.
I mean, I can't think of a game or movie that could be remade/rebooted that would make me not even want to play or watch it. But if someone else is attached to something like that and doesn't want to see/play it, then why's that a problem? And why does it make that person a manbaby or whatever other insults have been slung at him?
Other than attempts to mind-read someone from a 6 minute video and assuming devious motives (attention seeker!!), I see nothing solid being posted in this thread. In fact the only evidence I've seen is that James was, in fact, being attacked on Twitter for the video, and all the shit flinging his way wasn't mere criticism.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Wait, who are we talking about now? This thread has gone from hating a Ghostbusters trailer to personal attacks on people. I'm so confused right now.
Audioboxer
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If genuinely wanting to know for me it's not really anything to do with the cast but the bottom of the barrel humour in most of the trailers. I've called this Ghostbridesmaids but I think Bridesbusters would fit as well. Especially if said queef joke ends up real.
I loved Bridesmaids, but it just seems like Feig is taking what worked well in that film and trying to apply it to Ghostbusters. With it not being a new IP it just causes a disconnect in my head with what I associate Ghostbusters with. And no, not men, but more subtle humour and character interaction. So far in these trailers it just screams try hard humour and the kind of stuff you'd expect churned out in any teen movie of the last 10 years. Which has its place and I've seen tons of teen comedies. It's said disconnect of what I seen in the original Ghostbusters to what we have now. Call that being a manchild or biased to my childhood if you please but it's a genuine emotional response from within me.
To further say what I mean by subtle humour the original casts while goofy seemed to have some maturity and sense around them. From these trailers so far it seems like the above mentioned teen comedies where character building and interaction gets ramrodded out of the way for non stop jokes. That can sometimes hurt characters from being memorable outside of their one liners. I won't know this doubt for sure until I see all of the movie and not just trailer cuts.
stufte
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A guy named James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) gave a very reasoned explanation for why he wouldn't be seeing the movie. People lost their shit and started abusing him and his wife, calling him names and accusing him of sexism. The internet enables the fucking worst in people.
GabeTheGrouch76
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Moderately better than the first trailer, but that's not saying much IMO. It still doesn't look like it's going to be good to me. Still getting massive vibes from the average Total Recall and Robocop reboots.
Also, is it just me, or did this trailer invoke Terminator Genisys's marketing campaign and reveal a HUGE spoiler for the film?!
Also, is it just me, or did this trailer invoke Terminator Genisys's marketing campaign and reveal a HUGE spoiler for the film?!
Chris Hemsworth's character getting possessed, and is likely the main antagonist...
Jeremy Jahns did a review of the trailer.
kunonabi
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My sister had the same response to the Jem movie so this isn't a "guy" thing. Remaking or rebooting isn't passing the torch. This is a filmmaker and studio trying to replace something because they think they can do it better and create a new cash cow with their stamp on it. Which should certainly be their approach but there is no passing of the torch involved.
plagiarize
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He gave reasons. I think they basically equate to 'wah this movie isn't for me'. He doesn't deserve the hate, but I don't think his position is a 'very reasoned' one at all.
This movie is produced by some of the people who worked on the original movies, and has a number of the cast from the original movie making cameos. There's your passing of the torch. Sony wanted to make a new Ghostbusters movie with Bill Murray in it. They made one. It ended up being a remake. Sony don't give a shit about the franchise beyond it's potential returns either way.
And reboots are additive, not subtractive. They don't replace anything. Either they're good and stand by themselves (like Dawn of the Dead, say) or they're shit and no one remembers the remake (The Fog, say). The only case I can think of, of a remake 'replacing' the original, was when Hitchcock tried to erase his original version of 'The Man Who Knew Too Much' to avoid people comparing it to his own remake of it.
brandonh83
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Doing a reboot or something does not imply that they think they can do it better.
Corronchilejano
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Oh no, he can get all the hate he deserves... in well reasoned arguments. The personal attacks? There's where the line is drawn.
stufte
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But they were his reasons and he did a good job of explaining his position. That's well reasoned even if you don't agree with him.
starchild excalibur
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The fact that people do trailer reviews - and that we watch these trailer reviews - is one of those things that make me feel like an old man yelling at the clouds.
plagiarize
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Then we'll just get into a debate about the meaning of the word 'reasoned' which will waste all our time. All I was trying to add to that summary is that a lot of us thought his reasons were severely lacking. It's true to say that them calling the remake Ghostbusters will now make it so you have to type Ghostbusters 1984 into amazon... but is it logical to be upset about such a thing?
I know it was only one of his points, but it's so absurd I keep coming back to it.
The personal attacks were shitty. There was plenty in that video to take issue with without resorting to them.
Vampire On Titus
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I'm 23 and watched Ghostbusters for the first time a few months ago. I may have seen it when I was very young but likely not. It's likely what I did know of it was just accumulated knowledge over time via the cultural zeitgiest surrounding the films.
In any case I saw both movies and thought they were tight. 2nd one definitely plays it too safe with the premise but I actually think the dialog is sharper tbh.
The new movie looks like crap from the two trailers. It's got this boiler-plate style of in-vogue comedy writing I hate. Where they just film well trodden cliches but fumble them awkwardly and that's funny or clever subversion for some reason. Like the scene where all the busters are posed in front of the car about to embark on their mission. As you do in a comedy action film our heroes excitedly say something like* "lets do this!" or "lets go!" Except now for some extra bland non-laughs they trip over each others lines and it's "lol so awkward" except without the "lol."
It's the type of bland filler comedy that writes itself and seems to be the current default humor of choice for movies with no personality. There was a lot of it in the new Ratchet & Clank movie as well. I've heard a lot of people complain the jokes are corny or "seem like a bad SNL skit" and I think this has a lot to do with it.
* In a perfect world maybe something genuinely clever
stufte
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I mean, it is a tiny whine, but it is rather annoying to try to search for something only to have a newer version come up first. Doom being a prime example that I experienced recently. Or The Flash (gotta put 2014 in that otherwise you get the old version), etc. It's not his main argument, but it is one more thing he finds annoying, even if it's a tiny thing.
alfredofroylan
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Well both the film industry and the videogame industry have turned trailers into small events. I mean, this thread is about one of them.
stufte
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And now there are teaser trailers for teaser trailers. It's madness!
brandonh83
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Trailer culture is just something to do to help pass the time and talk/think about stuff. I don't really have a problem with it and I enjoy even looking forward to trailers. I think the teaser trailer teaser stuff is a bit lame.
cr0w
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It blows my mind sometimes just how damn many people watch and/or care about YouTube personalities. My old mind can't wrap around it.
Audioboxer
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Well on the gaming side we get announcements of announcements of a timer countdown to a pre-rendered 20 second trailer.
plagiarize
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To me it just adds to the other things he's said that give me the impression that he's annoyed at the remake for merely existing, however the final thing turns out. Not giving the new movie a chance in part because it's forced him to occasionally write 1984 just sounds petty.
Lots of people initially wrote off Spy based on the marketing, but it turned out rather well... so perhaps Feig and co might feel justified in hoping for more of a wait for the final product approach from people.
Now I'm not saying you have to see the movie if you don't like the trailers... but what if the film comes out and gets great reviews? What if it's actually a movie James would have really liked?
I hope if he starts hearing from people that the movie's actually good, that he'll go see it despite his proclamation.
I hated the trailers to PIXELS and thought it looked like garbage, but I didn't make my mind up not to see it until I saw the response to the final product. It's really not too much to ask IMHO.
Mortimer Brewster
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That's my reaction to the new Ghostbusters after the trailers. It just looks entirely unfunny and bland with a lot of the modern tropes that have made me apathetic towards modern comedy. The first film was lightning in the bottle in which you had some of the best comedic talent of the era both behind and in front of the camera who knew each other well and trusted their collective instincts which allowed to create a sharp, incredibly funny film that has resonated with audiences for 32 years.
Also people who say the negativity is purely due to the female cast clearly don't remember how quickly people turned on Ghostbusters 2. Ghostbusters fandom has always been a lot like Bill Murray caustic, highly fickle and not easy to please.
Corronchilejano
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Some people are entertained by the content certain people make, and are interested in what they think about things that have something to do with that content. James plays a lot to the tastes of people who enjoy movies and videogames from the 80s and 90s (and well, B movie horror too).
stufte
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I hope so too! I personally really, really want this to go the same way Spy did. I can imagine him relenting and seeing it and saying he was wrong.
Though I disagree with needing to see the final product in order to make up your mind in the here and now. That's what trailers are for. To sell you on the idea of seeing it. What was presented to him made him not want to see it. It's not malicious.
Vampire On Titus
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This is a pet peeve of James' for going on a decade now. It is petty, but that's entirely the point. I dont take anything more from it than James doesn't like confusing titles/chronology.
Audioboxer
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I doubt the young version of many of us gave two shits about what gender or race the cast was. It was the chemistry and coolness factor I'm sure many of us enjoyed. Even some of the humour might have gone over our heads. I was in single digits my first viewing of the films. At least the 1st one anyway.
Plus another childhood baby of mine was Labyrinth. Watched that too many times as a young one, and still love it. Bowie <3
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