Corronchilejano
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Ghostbusters Trailer 2
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cr0w
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I mean, I get it. It's just hard for me to fathom that so many people want to see people like him and others talk about the things my friends and I (I was born in '80) grew up with and were, generally, made fun of for enjoying. It's cool that it's appreciated now, but I never would have thought it would be as big as it is.
Audioboxer
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It's kind of the same as it was for us as kids. We enjoyed our friends liking what we did and having company of the same mind. We also probably didn't understand others who thought differently at times and may even have poked fun at them (my movie is better than yours! your toy sucks! my band is better!). Not everyone, just pointing out things were similar in many ways before the internet kicked off.
Now it's just a global presence of having normal biases confirmed as accepted, and on the extreme end pandering to find popular figures sharing your opinions at any cost.
Just all part of being human, feeling like your way of thinking is accepted or justified. I guess even the craziness at times is a human flaw. Although the internet has led to the ability to be a cock and balls towards other people with different opinions with little repercussion.
cr0w
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That's a good point. The internet is basically a giant lunch table, I guess.
Audioboxer
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Pretty much. Except chucking food at the lunch table had disciplinary action 80%+ of the time, where as the internet is the wild wild west.
GAF mods are our teachers lol. Punishment exercise is a week/month ban, being expelled is a perm ban. EviLore is the headmaster. The School of GAF, where Rockstar's Bully is treading on thin ice.
The Hermit
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I... kinda like it
flintstryker
Banned
James video was so goddamn innocuous too I can't fathom the outrage from it
brandonh83
Banned
Hey cool, it's nice to see some level headed stuff here and there.
Ordinaryundone
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The problem with reboots is the same problem with any sort of franchising: you are trading easy access to marketing, fanbase and iconography to help sell your product with the forknowledge that the people you are selling to are going to be coming into it with certain expectations. If you open a McDonald's and the food doesn't taste right you can't deflect by saying "Oh, this is a new McDonald's, its different, the old one is still there". No dude, you picked the name and the iconography and now you gotta live up to it.
And that's the issue with these soulless movie remakes. New Robocop, for example, isn't necessarily a bad movie. Hell, its actually not bad at all. But it's not a good Robocop movie. And despite having all the same elements as the first one (A robot man, who is also a cop) it completely misses the point of what made the first movie so memorable in the first place. Some might say intentionally so, in the interest of appealing to a larger group of people who might go see it just because they were familiar with the name. New Ghostbusters is the same way. Maybe it is a good movie. I've liked some of Feige's other stuff, Bridesmaids in particular. But I do not equate that flavor with Ghostbusters. Just like you can't open a McDonald's that exclusively deals in hot dogs you can't make a Ghostbusters movie that seems to carry none of that style of humor with it. Not without expecting backlash, anyway.
And that's the issue with these soulless movie remakes. New Robocop, for example, isn't necessarily a bad movie. Hell, its actually not bad at all. But it's not a good Robocop movie. And despite having all the same elements as the first one (A robot man, who is also a cop) it completely misses the point of what made the first movie so memorable in the first place. Some might say intentionally so, in the interest of appealing to a larger group of people who might go see it just because they were familiar with the name. New Ghostbusters is the same way. Maybe it is a good movie. I've liked some of Feige's other stuff, Bridesmaids in particular. But I do not equate that flavor with Ghostbusters. Just like you can't open a McDonald's that exclusively deals in hot dogs you can't make a Ghostbusters movie that seems to carry none of that style of humor with it. Not without expecting backlash, anyway.
Bobby Roberts
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You're implying here that McDonald's is a soulful original.
Remakes aren't any more inherently soulless than the originals that were also created and paid for within the same corporate system the remakes are coming out of them.
People in charge of the remakes can make bad remakes. They can also make inspired ones.
brandonh83
Banned
We don't know that it doesn't live up to it. Feig's last movie, Spy, had pretty bad trailers and is currently sitting at a healthy 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Not saying that'll happen with Ghostbusters, but I don't agree with this notion that just because there's a lot of iffy remakes/reboots that absolutely everything going forward must fall into that category. This could well be a decent movie, but people are already writing it off for a variety of reasons. Those writing it off because they think the movie simply looks bad are fine. Not everyone is doing that though. Fans feel a sense of entitlement and if they don't get it their way or what they think it should be in their heads, it's all wrong, chalk it up to it being a cash-in.
If Ivan Reitman made Ghostbusters 3 with the original cast, it'd be a cash-in. Everything is a cash-in. Movies are made to make money. That doesn't make all of them soulless or made without care. Let them make something; if people don't like it, fine, but it's just a fucking movie.
Yep. I love movies, but people are real fuckin' naive if they think that "classics" aren't made with the same mindset. It's all popular entertainment. They make money, some people enjoy them. Mutual gain.
BWJinxing
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i'm in a weird place.
Honestly, i don't want to see Ghostbusters 2016 because it's a reboot. I haven't seen Total Recall or Robocop for the same reason, it's not more of the original, it's a cash grab. I've seen both trailers for Ghostbusters and I still don't want to see it. Im also not going to see GiTS because i have a peeve when something is animated and becomes live action, it's off putting, as with comic book to movie adaptations for me, a story for another thread.
Yet...i feel if i don't go see this movie, i feel i'll be labeled as sexist.
ugh.
Honestly, i don't want to see Ghostbusters 2016 because it's a reboot. I haven't seen Total Recall or Robocop for the same reason, it's not more of the original, it's a cash grab. I've seen both trailers for Ghostbusters and I still don't want to see it. Im also not going to see GiTS because i have a peeve when something is animated and becomes live action, it's off putting, as with comic book to movie adaptations for me, a story for another thread.
Yet...i feel if i don't go see this movie, i feel i'll be labeled as sexist.
ugh.
brandonh83
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Not by anyone whose opinions are worth a damn, so you shouldn't worry about it too much.
plagiarize
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Other Space, whether you end up going to see Ghostbusters or not... is really worth giving a shot. It's a sci fi comedy TV show he was behind, and I thought it was brilliant.
To your McDonald's analogy though... oy... here goes.
I get what you're saying. Except the new McDonald's isn't marketing itself to the same people the old one was. If you walk into a McDonalds in India the food isn't going to taste the same. Hell they don't sell beef burgers. Would you be mad at McDonalds for not calling the version aimed at Indians something different?
The Ghostbuster's brand covers two movies, multiple videogames and comics, a kids TV series and probably a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting. They aren't all exactly the same blend of ingredients as the original Ghostbusters.
If your only issue with a movie is the name they gave it, then maybe you should let it go. Some people got really upset at 10 Cloverfield Lane because it had the word Cloverfield in the title. That was really weird to me.
I mean, yes, I wish they'd called Captain America: Civil War, The Avengers: Civil War, but I didn't let that prevent me from giving the movie a fair shake.
Not seeing it is probably less likely to get you accused of being sexist than seeing it and criticizing it will.
Just say 'Oh I never saw it.'. Unless you normally go see every movie that comes out no one will give a shit.
MHWilliams
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Why? Explain the thought process here.
See? Not hard to say, "Trailer looks bad, movie probably won't be good, trailer reaction is way, way overblown due to nonsense."
Don't force yourself to do something because of Peer Pressure.
blankempathy
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Because some people are dumb and if you say you're not interested or hate the trailer they'll lump you in with the hateful commenters who are actually being sexist. The only thing you can do is not care about what stupid opinions people may have about you for not liking something. Some people aren't worth your time. I'm not going to watch it. I understand why James Rolfe isn't going to watch it. Yet look at how many people are giving him shit for having an opinion. All because of the negative stigma surrounding an all female cast and what others have said. If he had come out and said hes not watching some no name film without the controversy Ghostbusters has surrounding it no one would have bat an eye.
So, if you don't see this one movie that means you hate/discriminate against women ?
That makes no sense, unless you have a history of disliking movies that have women in them.
stufte
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It makes sense if you see how those on twitter treat people who don't want to see this movie. We can't simply think this movie looks bad, there must be some ulterior motive (see: sexism, misogyny, etc.) to why we don't like it.
Ordinaryundone
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I'd like to note I'm not advocating anyone getting mad. Life is too short to get mad about movies. I just wanted to put into words why I think people ARE getting mad, and why it's weird that people are saying "Why are all the nerds up in arms? IDK, probably sexism" when I don't really think that's the case. Franchising is a delicate balance between delivering a product that meets your own definition of quality, the demands of your environment, and the demand of consistency with the other examples in the franchise. New Ghostbusters may very well meet the first two requirements. I haven't seen it after all, no one has. But it's apparently not meeting the third, and that's where the hate is coming from.
To use the fast food example, its totally reasonable for a McDonald's in a different market (such as India) to be changed to meet the demands and desires of that market. In that situation consistency on the macro-scale is less important than consistency on the micro-scale (in this case, world vs. local). I don't expect Indian food to taste like American food any more than I expect Bollywood adaptations to be anything like Hollywood ones. There will certainly be differences, and I appreciate that as much as anyone.
But New Ghostbusters isn't a foreign adaptation. Its being made by Americans, for Americans, riding the legacy of a film franchise in the same vein.
Hellwarden
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*sees rational discussion, looks at like/dislike bar*
This is why we can't have nice things.
MHWilliams
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There's a far cry from not being interested or disliking the film and some of the very real hate out there for this film because it has an all-female cast. People were not interested in Point Break or Robocop. Shit happens to bad films.
You can stake out your personal position and be fine in that. Rock out. What you cannot do is minimize the hate that comes from that camp. Neither that nor dismissing all dislike as sexism is correct.
Don't like it, don't see it. Most hated trailer of all time? Come on now.
kavanf1
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This is a good take on one of the main things that made the trailer(s) so unappealing to me too. I don't necessarily hate that humour but it has to be played really well and unfortunately it doesn't work in what I've seen so far.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
This is irrational and toxic. Just because someone doesn't like a movie with women doesn't mean he dislikes the movie because of it having women.
plagiarize
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See, I spotted that too so dropped by the comment section. They were annoyed that Screen Junkies said that sexism was partly why it got so many dislikes.
They didn't disagree with the notion however that if it had an all male cast, that it wouldn't have gotten so many dislikes.
"Huh?" I hear you go.
Well, see, the problem is because the movie has a feminist agenda that when all the SJWs started calling anyone who didn't like it sexist, they pissed lots of people off and so those not sexist people and their friends came to hate the movie.
Because of SJWs.
A term which has come to mean to me 'At best, I don't want to hear you complain about sexism, and at worst, I'm sexist'.
So there you go. They wouldn't hate it as much if it had a male cast, but it's not because they're sexist. It's because they were accused of only hating it because they were sexist. Which made them hate it more. Because SJWs.
plagiarize
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And just because some people dislike a movie with women in for reasons other than sexism, doesn't mean there can't be sexist people who dislike it for exactly that reason.
There are two things here, unless you think Ghostbusters fans are inordinately sexist compare to other fandoms:
Fans upset that Sony didn't make them Ghostbusters 3 instead and sexists who think the movie is part of an anti male pro feminazi agenda.
I'm sure there are people who think everyone who hates the movie is sexist.
Those people are wrong.
Just as the people who think sexism has nothing to do with the backlash are also wrong.
BWJinxing
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The chat around Ghostbusters 2016 has become so toxic, its basically a war in my eyes. Sure there is rational discussion on-going. Robocop and Total Recall had toxicity around it too but this movie has generated gamegate levels of shitstorm in my eyes.
At the end, i stand by my opinions. I just feel that all the drama around this movie will turn into one of those questions when you're asked about political alliance and could turn into a heated debate.
plagiarize
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Again, you aren't going to get any heat for not seeing a movie at the cinema. How often do you go to the cinema?
I go every week and while I saw Spy, I didn't see The Boss and probably won't get around to it.
alfredofroylan
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Not really, back then trailers were just time fillers for the theaters. Just some scenes pasted together with a monotone background voice. Today trailers are probably the most important way to "sell" a movie, we watch them on our phones, tablets, etc. It's impossible to compare trailers from the 80's to the ones we got today.
Audioboxer
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Yeah I gotta ask who has any friends that go about asking if you've been to the cinema this week and if you haven't they call you a terrible person? lol
I'm lucky if I get to the cinema a few times a year these days. People annoy me and I'd usually rather watch at home/at a friends.
In all honesty I guess being single again cut down my cinema trips. Used to be a thing for me and the other half. Even at that we'd usually prefer a movie night alone.
BWJinxing
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Last time i went to the theater was when Pacific Rim was out. I rarely go.
NOLA_Gaffer
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This is just like that Gamergate nonsense...I've read everything I can on the subject and I still don't understand it.
There's been tons of bad films and stupid reboots lately...what's it about this one that has so many people losing their goddamn minds?
There's been tons of bad films and stupid reboots lately...what's it about this one that has so many people losing their goddamn minds?
MHWilliams
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There is definitely A Thing going on around Ghostbusters that you acknowledge, but you'll be fine man. Nothing wrong with not going to see the movie or disliking the trailer. It's another movie and should be seen as such by all.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the reason this has so many dislikes is because of sexism (though some of it is legit). The criticism of this movie has been sexist since they announced the movie.
AcademicSaucer
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Classy
Discotheque
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eh or a lot of things just aren't great enough to have that kind of staying power. lotr was within the past few decades, as was the matrix, and mad max just happened last year (as soon as I got out of the theaters I could tell this will be running in genre screenings like 30 years from now)
there's plenty of films from the 70s or 80s that nobody talks about too.
brandonh83
Banned
I'm not saying it's the case with every movie, I'm saying it feels like less films are going to be seen as classics in the same way as Ghostbusters, Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, etc. But I mean, a lot has to do with when you were born. I'm sure there's a lot of people now that don't really give a shit about those "classics" like we do.
SolidusDave
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To be honest, I only watched it to see the like/dislike ratio. Was not disappointed, actually laughed harder at people still doing this out of spite than at any of the gags in the trailer.
That being said, much better than the first trailer.
Also, Thor getting possessed (probably halfway or even earlier in the movie and becoming a smart/serious character or whatever) explains why he would pick that role.
That being said, much better than the first trailer.
Also, Thor getting possessed (probably halfway or even earlier in the movie and becoming a smart/serious character or whatever) explains why he would pick that role.
MHWilliams
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That's the music argument as well. You're only thinking of the classic 80s films and not all of the painfully bad dreck that was made at the same time. You're living the great and the poor in real time, but you only remember the the great in the past.
For example, 1984 also had Cannonball Run II, Bachelor Party, CHUD, Blame it on Rio, Hard to Hold, Night Patrol, Sheena, Supergirl, and Rhinestone. Most of those you've probably never heard of.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
What is the original link?
I mostly avoided gamergate stuff in almost everywhere, but seeing how rabid some gaffers here (because of the first Ghost Busters trailer), it really shocked me and felt disappointed. I think that's the first time I really saw how fanatical and misguided some people here.
It's fucking insane.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
And let's face it, even with an all-male cast, people would shit on this film.
alfredofroylan
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At least one of those tweets was deleted, posted the follow up here.
brandonh83
Banned
Sure. Things are considered and defined as classics due to the times. Some films are legitimate classics, and I'm just saying that it's hard to tell what's going to be a "classic" immediately; I was responding to Count's post about how much staying power it'll have and how even really good movies have a harder time having "staying power." Civil War seems to have a mostly positive consensus for example, but we're already looking forward to the next this or that.
I'm having a hard time seeing that movie being considered a "classic" or having tons of staying power regardless of how good it is. Or it might. Who's to say right now? I'm not expecting the new Ghostbusters to have much staying power, let alone be considered a classic-- not even Feig's Spy or Bridesmaids which got incredible reviews are going to ever be seen as such, so I doubt Ghostbusters will be any different, regardless of how good it turns out.
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