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Ghostwire Tokyo on PS5 - Digital Foundry Tech Review
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roosnam1980
Gold Member
damn shame it got GHOSTED by the reviewers , looks great honestly
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Damn, that's a nice meaty 25 minute video.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Can't wait to play this awesome looking game. It's different and that's a huge plus.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Even the lowest graphical mode has stretches of 40~ FPS.
Weird.
Weird.
Mister Wolf
Member
I really happy it's using SSGI. Not enough games using it. Especially Unreal Engine games, which seems crazy to me. All Unreal Engine games should use SSGI at minimum if they refuse to use Lumen or RTGI.
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. . .over a hundred reviews on OPENCRITIC and sitting at a 76/65 from critics. Wouldn't call that "ghosted" (unless you were just trying to go for a pun, regardless of whether it fit or not).
SenjutsuSage
Banned
ethomaz
Banned
That is a lame excuse lolVRR is coming.Riky
Games should have solid framerate.
None of the SIX modes in this game has and that includes the ones supposed to be locked.
After all the excuses for 6 modes were that 2 of them were specifically for VRR.
If you can't or don't have man power or budget for 6 modes then don't do six modes… let the options to PC users deal, test, mod, etc.
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roosnam1980
Gold Member
so does the pun fit or not?
01011001
Banned
controls on controller are bad? WHAT A SHOCK... no but for real, why are developers so shit at making good controller FPS controls? IT'S SO FUCKING EASY... so fucking easy... literally just emulate mouse inputs with a slider for the sensitivity curve, DONE, you got perfect controller aiming... how hard is this?
the way developers try to filter inputs and adjust ramp up acceleration (which should never be a thing) is literally more involved and takes more dev time thanto just do the right thing which is to use raw analog inputs for your aiming!
it really is like these devs are stuck in the PS2 era still -_-
well, thank god this game is on PC where you can avoid the controller aiming
the way developers try to filter inputs and adjust ramp up acceleration (which should never be a thing) is literally more involved and takes more dev time thanto just do the right thing which is to use raw analog inputs for your aiming!
it really is like these devs are stuck in the PS2 era still -_-
well, thank god this game is on PC where you can avoid the controller aiming
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What's the first one ?
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Elden Ring.
ethomaz
Banned
Elden Ring.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Jesus.. I just finished watching the video. This is some really atrocious optimization. Literally only VRR would stand a chance at making much of this manageable. Even if the game is fantastic that's just no good on the performance front.
Third?
Stranger of paradise: Final Fantasy Origin.
And this one is even more serious.
It is as if the performance and fluidity of their games did not matter to them. 30fps with sttuter, unlocked fps, tearing.... are becoming very common and starting to be worrying.
kingfey
Banned
Sheesh. You got spooked by that op. Now wonder, you are trying to put the spotlight on that ghosted comment. Don't try to use your hands here, because we don't appreciate signs here.
Mister Wolf
Member
Probably decently. You have Unreal's Temporal Upscaling to fall back on PC.
01011001
Banned
what is an "okay cpu"?
a GTX1080 should run this no issue at 1080p60 and maybe above, with relatively high settings.
and it has Epic's TSR, which is basically what FSR 2.0 will look like
BUT the game seems to have minor shader stutter issues, typical for UE4 games sadly
for a GTX1080 you can basically assume almost PS5 like performance from current games, minus the Raytracing of course.
the GTX1080 is pretty close to the PS5 in raw GPU power
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rofif
Banned
Plenty of modes.
All modes are bad. Even quality mode gor framepacing issues.
again like I posted above - just make 1 or max 2 good modes and add separate fps cap setting maybe.
Why would there even exist a mode with worse graphics other than the resolution ?! Why do I have to choose between all bad modes and sacrifice something... I know the ps5 is not powerful enough but if there was no mode choice, there would be nothing to compare really.
Why would one "high quality" mode be 1800p and other "high quality" mode be 1080p ?! like wtf... so is it high quality or not.
I know I post about this in every console game thread and made a topic about this...
People always come in "how is more choice a bad thing" - go stick to the pc gaming! You have all the settings there.
Console gaming should be what it always was - curated comfort gaming.
WIth vrr displays, more modes are welcome... but first - console needs vrr lol and 2nd - why 10? We need only 4k, 1440p (both with same graphics) and fps cap setting (30,40, uncap)... or just one mode with no choice but good.
edit: why won't these companies just hire John to help them decide on 2 good modes
All modes are bad. Even quality mode gor framepacing issues.
again like I posted above - just make 1 or max 2 good modes and add separate fps cap setting maybe.
Why would there even exist a mode with worse graphics other than the resolution ?! Why do I have to choose between all bad modes and sacrifice something... I know the ps5 is not powerful enough but if there was no mode choice, there would be nothing to compare really.
Why would one "high quality" mode be 1800p and other "high quality" mode be 1080p ?! like wtf... so is it high quality or not.
I know I post about this in every console game thread and made a topic about this...
People always come in "how is more choice a bad thing" - go stick to the pc gaming! You have all the settings there.
Console gaming should be what it always was - curated comfort gaming.
WIth vrr displays, more modes are welcome... but first - console needs vrr lol and 2nd - why 10? We need only 4k, 1440p (both with same graphics) and fps cap setting (30,40, uncap)... or just one mode with no choice but good.
edit: why won't these companies just hire John to help them decide on 2 good modes
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Fbh
Gold Member
Sounds like no mode is particularly good, and the performance is pretty bad for a game that doesn't look that good (visually)
Only saw the performance part of the video but it was basically:
-Quality Mode: Around 1800p with ray tracing and consistent 30fps but has bad framepacing
-Performance mode: Around 1440p with no ray tracing, not even close to being locked 60fps (drops to the mid and low 50's and even worse in some specific areas)
-High Frame Rate Quality: Much lower res and some scaled back visuals but has RT. However it has horrible screen tearing and the performance is all over the place
-High Frame Rate Performance: Lower res and no RT, has the highest possible performance (up to 120fps if you are in an empty room but more in the 60-90 range otherwise) but horrible screen tearing
- High Frame Rate Quality with Vsync: Same but with Vsync and somewhat lower framerate
- High Framerate Performance mode: Same but with Vysnc and somewhat lower framerate
They found out that playing the high framerate mode on a 60hz display will cap the framerate at 60fps. Doing so the high framerate quality mode is the one they recommend as you get 60fps (not locked though) and ray tracing.
High framerate performance mode is the closest you can get to a consistent 60fps (still has drops though) but the visual impact is pretty big.
Only saw the performance part of the video but it was basically:
-Quality Mode: Around 1800p with ray tracing and consistent 30fps but has bad framepacing
-Performance mode: Around 1440p with no ray tracing, not even close to being locked 60fps (drops to the mid and low 50's and even worse in some specific areas)
-High Frame Rate Quality: Much lower res and some scaled back visuals but has RT. However it has horrible screen tearing and the performance is all over the place
-High Frame Rate Performance: Lower res and no RT, has the highest possible performance (up to 120fps if you are in an empty room but more in the 60-90 range otherwise) but horrible screen tearing
- High Frame Rate Quality with Vsync: Same but with Vsync and somewhat lower framerate
- High Framerate Performance mode: Same but with Vysnc and somewhat lower framerate
They found out that playing the high framerate mode on a 60hz display will cap the framerate at 60fps. Doing so the high framerate quality mode is the one they recommend as you get 60fps (not locked though) and ray tracing.
High framerate performance mode is the closest you can get to a consistent 60fps (still has drops though) but the visual impact is pretty big.
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TVexperto
Gold Member
it is really a lot of fun and. much better than shitty horizon game
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Sticks
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Because itll be 10 bucks for PS5
MasterCornholio
Member
01011001
Banned
a whole year of patches and optimisation can do wonders tho
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Also it'll guaranteed be on game pass day 1.
Arthimura
Member
You can adjust sensibility on settings.
MasterCornholio
Member
Doesn't the same apply to the other version? It's not lien they are not going to update it.
rofif
Banned
idk but it looks good
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Looks like shit. Looks like a out of focus 3d movie
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rofif
Banned
why?
Looks more "film" like. Like a tiny bit like if it was recorded... it just hides the imperfections and cheats the eyes a bit.
I liked in in BB and Elden Ring. It's ok when it's subtle.
The pin sharp image that pc gamers like is not natural either
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NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Let's hide imperfections but covering the whole image in a shit filter yeah that's smart
rofif
Banned
It's not entirely about hiding imperfections.
it's about imitating graphics that do not look like real life still...
The graphics are not good enough to just leave it raw.
I bet you are one of those people who also disables TAA and motion blur outright in every game without testing too
Then I see all the videos of re2. You can see it's pc version because hair and shadows are dithered (the game is designed with taa in mind)... but that's a different topic.
As for CA - most cameras do not show much of it nowadays so it's not even about making game look more realistic "like a recording" maybe... Maybe if it was 90s recording
But the effect itself has it's use as I've said to make not realisitc graphics a bit better looking. Bloodborne would look like aliased crap without it since they had no idea about TAA back then.
You don't have to like it. You can just disable it on pc but you are ignorant to downright not even see a hint why it's there
You will never get perfect aiming on controller... You can get adequate aiming maybe
StateofMajora
Banned
You know what else isn't natural? Video games
But seriously, one of PC gamings strengths is being able to disable things like TAA and either replace it with msaa or smaa or just supersample.
As for chromatic aberration, it's the worst effect ever.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Oh so you one of those assholes who just put assumptions on people to make yourself feel superiorIt's not entirely about hiding imperfections.
it's about imitating graphics that do not look like real life still...
The graphics are not good enough to just leave it raw.
I bet you are one of those people who also disables TAA and motion blur outright in every game without testing too
Then I see all the videos of re2. You can see it's pc version because hair and shadows are dithered (the game is designed with taa in mind)... but that's a different topic.
As for CA - most cameras do not show much of it nowadays so it's not even about making game look more realistic "like a recording" maybe... Maybe if it was 90s recording
But the effect itself has it's use as I've said to make not realisitc graphics a bit better looking. Bloodborne would look like aliased crap without it since they had no idea about TAA back then.
You don't have to like it. You can just disable it on pc but you are ignorant to downright not even see a hint why it's there