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I was going to say that Jeff's "hated" of Anime comes from needing to review old DBZ games, but thinking about it, he does know a LOT about Japan in a weird way, taking trips there, playing imported games, ext. That's an interesting nut to crack, and one that I'm not sure I've ever heard him give a straight answer on.

With Dan it's clearly just some kind of weird aversion to the idea, at least when it comes to metal gear being just like one of my Japanese animes but him only seeing it as a Rambo style movie.
 
Anime is such a broad thing. To say you hate anime is to basically say you hate anything Japanese, because just about everything that has come out of japan has at some point been adapted into an anime.
 
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I am right in that category.

What music video is this?
 
Anime is such a broad thing. To say you hate anime is to basically say you hate anything Japanese, because just about everything that has come out of japan has at some point been adapted into an anime.

My Japanese ex-girlfriend was never adapted into anime. I should call her and tell her she has been slighted.
 
Taking dumb shit way too literally: The NeoGAF way.

I prefer to attribute it to people still not being acclimated to the very personality-centred, subjective, comical way GB talks about certain subjects. I think it says more about the average gaming site than the average user. The latter might not be invested too much in GB, so he just expects the same pseudo-professional tone that most gaming sites provide.

But also, yeah, some people do, in fact, lack context awareness.
 
My Japanese ex-girlfriend was never adapted into anime. I should call her and tell her she has been slighted.

Ignoring the fact that I obviously meant cultural exports and not actual people, I wager there is an Anime character somewhere in Anime land that acts like your ex-girlfriend does.

Because again, it's that broad a genre.
 
People are taking this way too seriously. Jeff jokes about anime being dumb (which it mostly is and I like anime) and Dan has never even watched any anime. This is hardly something to be in arms about.

Yeah, did people already forget about the P4 endurance run? I think Jeff properly picked out his waifu
 
My Japanese ex-girlfriend was never adapted into anime. I should call her and tell her she has been slighted.

Anime is popular-ish, but manga reaches pretty much everyone in Japan. I think, I don't remember the source of that statistic.

It's weird that Jeff was complaining about MGS1 being anime. His favourite MGS is the most anime of them all.

The most anime MGS game is Twin Snakes, so you're partially right :P
 
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have been so defensive. It's late and the internet makes tones hard.

No worries, I'm just doing some late night fucking around. All the words in that post were technically true, but intended to be misinterpreted for comedic (to me) effect.

It's late and I felt a need to amuse myself.
 
You guys are forgetting how dumb hollywood action movies can be. Rewatch Escape from LA, it's pretty much Metal Gear without the giant robots.

It's true there's a lot of anime DNA in there, but I'm kinda with Dan on this.
 
The giant robots, cyborg ninjas, magic science bullshit and other anime bullshit is a pretty big part of metal gear though.
 
I actually didn't watch the panel. I needed to go to parties. I left because i felt like I was in a sauna. I made the right decision. Now... The rumble tomorrow... That's something I need to see.
 
I could so go for a podcast where the Giant Bomb San Francisco office watches Gurren Lagann five episodes at a time and talks about it weekly. I came to it with the barest of contexts and still completely got what it was going for in a "this is fucking dumb and awesome" way, which I feel that Dan would get all denial-y about but internally enjoy.

In conclusion, anime may be for jerks, but the Giant Bomb crew is kinda jerkish.
 

Here's my one legit reason for "hating" anime: a lot of it is just cheap, low-budget crap that has so little actually animated, that it's a wonder how it's even called "animation" in the first place.

Like, the animators cut so many corners to save on budget. Whenever characters talk, their mouths are conveniently off screen, and they never gesticulate, so it's basically a still image with some voice over. Or characters speak to each other, but never turn to face the person they're talking to, so it's just a two frame loop of their mouth opening and closing.

Then the fight scenes: it's usually just some character that shoots a laser out of his hand or sword because they can't be bothered to actually animate two fighters in physical contact. And maybe there's some big explosion and then the character is just standing there, the only thing animated being his clothes being blown by the wind...

Like, I watched an episode of Bleach once, and the entire episode was the characters just standing in front of a door.

It puzzles me when people say something like they love the anime cutscenes in stuff like Persona 3, when the cutscenes are really just characters standing around and not doing anything while their clothes blow in the wind, or they're just hanging on a crucifix or whatever. Nothing ever happens!

Compare this to "western" cartoons (which are often animated in countries like Korea or whatever) like Avatar or Korra and you've got characters moving all the time! Even when they're just talking to each other, they're moving their hands, or people in the background are moving their heads to face the characters talking, while in anime, they'd just be standing there with their mouths flapping at two frames per second, then striking "cool" poses when they're supposed to fighting.

Of course, not all anime is like this. While watching that episode of Bleach on Adult Swim, an episode of Full Metal Alchemist followed, and the characters were freaking running at each other, bobbing and weaving, dodging attacks, and actually fighting instead of shooting BS lasers at each other. The difference in quality is night and day. Not to mention amazing stuff from studios like Ghibli and Madhouse...but most of the anime out there don't have that kind of talent working on it.

Most anime seems like cheap cash-ins, but many anime fans tend to put all of it on a high pedestal, just because it's called "anime."

Even with my purported "hatred" of anime, I still love anime stuff. I love Persona 4, I love Ace Attorney, I love Danganronpa, I love Ghibli movies, I love Satoshi Kon movies, I enjoy many Final Fantasy games, and so on and so forth. I even continue to attend anime conventions and participate in cosplay...mainly for the video game-related stuff.

Anyway...there's my anime rant in the Giant Bomb thread. This killed some time while I wait for my laptop to update Windows...
 
Anime is such a broad thing. To say you hate anime is to basically say you hate anything Japanese, because just about everything that has come out of japan has at some point been adapted into an anime.

so you're saying that if I say I hate anime it means I hate all of Japanese media

because I'm cool with that
 
I feel like most people just assume that generic shonen anime represents the medium as a whole. Like, there's not a whole lot of similarities between Naruto and Mushishi, a.k.a the best anime, other than their country of origin.

Anime is definitely for jerks though.
 
Here's my one legit reason for "hating" anime: a lot of it is just cheap, low-budget crap that has so little actually animated, that it's a wonder how it's even called "animation" in the first place.

Like, the animators cut so many corners to save on budget. Whenever characters talk, their mouths are conveniently off screen, and they never gesticulate, so it's basically a still image with some voice over. Or characters speak to each other, but never turn to face the person they're talking to, so it's just a two frame loop of their mouth opening and closing.

Then the fight scenes: it's usually just some character that shoots a laser out of his hand or sword because they can't be bothered to actually animate two fighters in physical contact. And maybe there's some big explosion and then the character is just standing there, the only thing animated being his clothes being blown by the wind...

Like, I watched an episode of Bleach once, and the entire episode was the characters just standing in front of a door.

It puzzles me when people say something like they love the anime cutscenes in stuff like Persona 3, when the cutscenes are really just characters standing around and not doing anything while their clothes blow in the wind, or they're just hanging on a crucifix or whatever. Nothing ever happens!

Compare this to "western" cartoons (which are often animated in countries like Korea or whatever) like Avatar or Korra and you've got characters moving all the time! Even when they're just talking to each other, they're moving their hands, or people in the background are moving their heads to face the characters talking, while in anime, they'd just be standing there with their mouths flapping at two frames per second, then striking "cool" poses when they're supposed to fighting.

Of course, not all anime is like this. While watching that episode of Bleach on Adult Swim, an episode of Full Metal Alchemist followed, and the characters were freaking running at each other, bobbing and weaving, dodging attacks, and actually fighting instead of shooting BS lasers at each other. The difference in quality is night and day. Not to mention amazing stuff from studios like Ghibli and Madhouse...but most of the anime out there don't have that kind of talent working on it.

Most anime seems like cheap cash-ins, but many anime fans tend to put all of it on a high pedestal, just because it's called "anime."

Even with my purported "hatred" of anime, I still love anime stuff. I love Persona 4, I love Ace Attorney, I love Danganronpa, I love Ghibli movies, I love Satoshi Kon movies, I enjoy many Final Fantasy games, and so on and so forth. I even continue to attend anime conventions and participate in cosplay...mainly for the video game-related stuff.

Anyway...there's my anime rant in the Giant Bomb thread. This killed some time while I wait for my laptop to update Windows...
Equating this to the US system, Japanese animated TV shounen shows like the one you watched are basically telenovela-level productions. To put it in reverse, what you posted reads like "I heard so much praise for the insanely realistic and lavish CGI in Hollywood cinema, but then I watched an episode of Ugly Betty and it was just people wearing cheap wigs and strange makeup talking to each other."


If you want to see the good stuff, seek out movies, not TV shows. The budget spent on animation is comparable, but instead of spreading it out over dozens of hours, they can pour everything into 90 minutes. The quality in animation from a long-running shounen TV series like Bleach is incomparable to something like Akira or a Ghibli movie or a Satoshi Kon movie or the Ghost in the Shell movies (just to name some of the most mainstream big-budget productions that come to mind).


edit: of course, most anime is shit, just like most american tv shows are shit etc etc. Worth looking out for the good stuff, though.
 
If you want to see the good stuff, seek out movies, not TV shows. The budget spent on animation is comparable, but instead of spreading it out over dozens of hours, they can pour everything into 90 minutes. The quality in animation from a long-running shounen TV series like Bleach is incomparable to something like Akira or a Ghibli movie or a Satoshi Kon movie or the Ghost in the Shell movies (just to name some of the most mainstream big-budget productions that come to mind).

I'm not a big anime watcher (nor a big tv show or film watcher in general), but I'd also add Paprika and Perfect Blue as recommendations for pretty awesome anime films.
 
I'm not a big anime watcher (nor a big tv show or film watcher in general), but I'd also add Paprika and Perfect Blue as recommendations for pretty awesome anime films.
Solid recommendations.

Incidentally, both are Satoshi Kon joints. :)
 
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