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Girls Generation - "The Boys" Live On David Letterman
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Receipts have been given and you wanna stay delusional, i think im done here
Ah alright, I didn't even see the last part of the video. That's a little different then.
I'm not trying to stay delusional. I merely watched the Aljazeera documentary where a girl mentioned how much she misses her family, needs to use the time during makeup to catch up on sleep etc. If this doesn't apply to this particular group, well good for them.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Seriously, K-pop Gaf.
So...jinguruhwuh.
So...jinguruhwuh.
Mr. B Natural
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This thread reveals to me what a great idea the Official Threads are.
It depends. Some people would be cynical thinking it was fake, weird and robotic.
Emotions on TV,...what a concept, how can they ever be sincere and the tears are probably scripted....along with every, single moment you see them in front of the camera right?
HappyBivouac
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I think people are plenty cynical about media in general, and not just about what is scripted or not. Perhaps you've heard of reality television? I'm sure there are genuine tears there, but it's still produced in a specific way for a specific reason to get a specific response.
Anyway, obviously these girls are real people with real emotions. I don't have anything against what they're doing. But it's also pretty dang obvious that when something like this is produced, the people involved in producing it are consciously aiming for a specific response from the viewer. Things are designed from multiple angles, even if they're not 100% scripted, to have various psychological effects. That's how people do it in media. That's how they make money.
And that's okay. It's okay to like things that are produced in that way. That's the whole point of them. At least, it's okay up until the point where the fan "identifies" with one of the girls so much that he becomes a creepy stalker fan.
People being cynical doesn't mean they don't "get" SNSD. It just means it's not their cup of tea.
Wendel Clark
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RIP Fany's mom 
Dude Abides
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I'm sure their reactions were sincere. The cynical manipulation is on the part of their handlers. But if the fans eat it up, as they apparently do, it's to be expected.
Red Blaster
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Since you took the time out to write such a detailed response, I should give you the benefit of the doubt. You say that since these groups have overzealous fanbases that learn chants and stuff they're comparable to sports fans who do the same stuff? I guess...maybe. But sports is solely about competition whereas music is an artistic and creative venue. Winning some end-of-the-year award shouldn't mean anything when it comes to music. Would you say American Idol is like a sport then? Moreover, you see incredible displays of human talent and athleticism in sports; what's the KPop equivalent of that?
I watched some more Girls Generations' music videos and musically they're just not very good. I mean people criticized Mariah Carey for years as manufactured overly sentimental pop but her hits were fucking hits with memorable hooks. What's the appeal in KPop aside from watching attractive girls doing cute things? I can't completely begrudge it because I always enjoy watching attractive girls doing cute things, but seeing grown men follow pop idols in a manner not that far removed from 12-year-old girls following Bieber is a bit strange.
People aren't saying it's equivalent in that strict sense. The dancing is tight. The production is good. The media is non-stop and interesting in a gossipy kind of way. The variety shows and interviews are mostly exceptional.
And what Dice is largely talking about, I think, is the expressly organised forms of allegiance and identification that kpop fans tend to adopt. This projects a competitive aspect onto the scene at large - or exaggerates aspects of competition that are already there.
Er, we watch and listen to guys as well. And like I said, good dancing, straight up pop music, funny and charming tv. And "fucking hits with memorable hooks". Pretty much nobody in KpopGAF thinks The Boys is a really, really good track. A bunch of us don't think it's good. It's not right to
a) regard Kpop as homogeneously "cute girls and cute things"
b) regard Kpop-GAF as fanboys for the same things in the same way
Considering she's been dating her agency CEO all along, I say so. Gary Hwaiting!
I think he has more than enough charm to get by.
Many in kpop-gaf would agree, but of course if you ever say such a thing in there the hivemind jumps all over you. Just don't make an overall negative opinion of kpop just based on this one group. It'd be the same as saying Western rock music is crap after only hearing Nickelback.
lol, it's just cos you're rude about it.
First of all, the song is absolutely dogshit. Just complete utter garbage.
Vocally there's next to no talent. Out dated and overproduced beat is just completely cringe worthy.
Lastly - why is each girl boarder line anorexic? I mean, women need curves, these girls look like starving seniors in high school.
Guaranteed flop here in the US.
Vocally there's next to no talent. Out dated and overproduced beat is just completely cringe worthy.
Lastly - why is each girl boarder line anorexic? I mean, women need curves, these girls look like starving seniors in high school.
Guaranteed flop here in the US.
Can we get a picture of actual curves, and not a skinny girl thrusting her ass out as much as possible?What are you talking about. They have voluptuous curves.
No, just no...
Dice
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Sal understood my point. I wasn't saying the nature of the activities are the same, but the environment of the events and structure of the industry differs from american pop to such a great extent that they take on social patterns similar to those seen in the sports world. My point is that there is more to it than the act itself, which is all a huge part of the fun. You don't go in with a cold, analytical mindset expecting the most talent you've ever witnessed before.
When you become more familiar with the whole scene, you see it's just people being people. The way they have interest in what they like and share it is not all that different from other things. You want the height of physical performance under a certain set of rules. In kpop things are a bit more complex, as they are creating an experience with a lot of different things mixed in, so the actual thing they are aiming for is somewhat loosely defined. However, the social patterns it all results in are similar.
If you ask me about sports, I would say I don't get it. I understand the amazing physical feats they pull off in the context of complex strategies, especially looking back on sports I have played, but I just don't get the appeal or downright obsession sports fans often develop. When it comes to kpop, I do get it, because I love music and creative performance. There is a difference between the height of something and the purpose of something. Kpop is not at the height, but it is damn fun if that is "your thing" in life.
It is the interest of many kpop fans, whether they are talented in it or not, just like many sports fans enjoy playing sports or at least the idea of playing them even if they are not talented in it. There are also people not really into that who just like attractive girls and what they consider to be catchy tunes, but perhaps they can develop more interest by social means. I know I am capable of developing interest in sports if I consistently watch games with friends, but on my own I don't give a shit. Humans are social in this way, and that can explain a lot of kpop love despite it not always being the most impressive stuff.
That said, I really don't think this thread is going anywhere. I'm making these explanations for the random tiny chance that someone might actually try and consider how someone could like something that they don't, but it seems the majority just wants to judge and troll. I agree with Sal on how it has been going and wouldn't care if it gets locked.
When you become more familiar with the whole scene, you see it's just people being people. The way they have interest in what they like and share it is not all that different from other things. You want the height of physical performance under a certain set of rules. In kpop things are a bit more complex, as they are creating an experience with a lot of different things mixed in, so the actual thing they are aiming for is somewhat loosely defined. However, the social patterns it all results in are similar.
If you ask me about sports, I would say I don't get it. I understand the amazing physical feats they pull off in the context of complex strategies, especially looking back on sports I have played, but I just don't get the appeal or downright obsession sports fans often develop. When it comes to kpop, I do get it, because I love music and creative performance. There is a difference between the height of something and the purpose of something. Kpop is not at the height, but it is damn fun if that is "your thing" in life.
It is the interest of many kpop fans, whether they are talented in it or not, just like many sports fans enjoy playing sports or at least the idea of playing them even if they are not talented in it. There are also people not really into that who just like attractive girls and what they consider to be catchy tunes, but perhaps they can develop more interest by social means. I know I am capable of developing interest in sports if I consistently watch games with friends, but on my own I don't give a shit. Humans are social in this way, and that can explain a lot of kpop love despite it not always being the most impressive stuff.
That said, I really don't think this thread is going anywhere. I'm making these explanations for the random tiny chance that someone might actually try and consider how someone could like something that they don't, but it seems the majority just wants to judge and troll. I agree with Sal on how it has been going and wouldn't care if it gets locked.
Good Job Bob
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Would destroy/10What are you talking about. They have voluptuous curves.
Phonomezer
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Wow this thread suddenly took a turn for the worse.
Good Job Bob
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The SNSD chicks simply aren't what you think of when you think voluptuous curves; doesn't mean that their bodies aren't smoking hot.
The good thing is that people are attracted to different things. Which means less competition about the girls we like. Imagine if everyone went for the SNSD girl. Now luckily there are guys who rather go for this
FreeMufasa
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Sorry there dude. There's a large number of us that would go for both groups.
RamzaIsCool
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Maybe a bit OT, but some dude called Kim Jae Joong has come to Turkey today for a fanmeeting. Tickets were sold out within 30 mins.
This also caused "Turkey wants Kpop" to trend worldwide on twitter. Currently top 10.
Who knew.
This also caused "Turkey wants Kpop" to trend worldwide on twitter. Currently top 10.
Who knew.
In sheer numbers possibly.
Phonomezer
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Turkey is obviously just full of creepy koreaboos who exoticise Korean wome- OH.
Zoe
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Hardly if you're talking worldwide.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Page 2 GAF?...Really Page 2....come on now you slippin, this picture was begging for the Brazzers logo
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Song was utter shit....but i dont really listen to much music these days so im outta touch with everything.
But on a more serious note who is this chick?
Give me something to google GAF?...Out of the entire group shes the only one that stood out.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I hope these chicks make it in the US if only to see more of Hyoyeon.
Reading up on the group and all this shit, its sad that she isnt as forefront as she deserves to be....shes clearly one of the more interesting girls(IMO) hopefully the US market will pick up on that too and she gets more facetime.
Trent Strong
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Blonde hair only works with certain complexions.
Discotheque
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I don't think Asians can pull it off, but to be honest I also didn't think Black people could either until I saw Tina Turner and now Rihanna
edit: and now Nana for asians, if that's her in the dude's avatar.
Nana can pull it off.
Trent Strong
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You're probably right. I'm not sure that Tina Turner ever did really pull it off though.
Broder Salsa
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What are you talking about. They have voluptuous curves.
This is why I am not against kpop
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