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[params7]

There is no reason to believe random statements from characters in DBZ. They're the kings of hyperbole. If it wasn't shown then it doesn't count for anything.

Sorry but that's your take on it. Never seen Goku overestimate or underestimate any ki blast in the field (there's only examples of him correctly measuring the scope of ki blasts, like Buu's attack on earth), so when Goku and co. in the field sense the ki in any attack, I take it as fact and not hyperbole. And Yama is pretty high and wise-tier entity in DBZ.

You can stick to your opinion, but the fans aren't wrong in assuming 'X' blast would have blown up entity 'Y' if Z-Fighter 'A' hadn't stopped it. Afterall its the whole point of why A stepped in, and they can sense ki easily in blasts, unless otherwise stated.

 

[ReiGun]

I been trying to get out of this life. But the old moves keep coming back, the scars ache and the knowledge floats to the forefront of my mind.

Stop fighting it Slay. These streets will never let you go.

 

[Minion101]

I'm shocked there is no newgrounds flash movie of this.

 

[Conor 419]

Superman has to be the lamest superhero ever conceived, seriously. 'He can do everything lol' is pretty much the essence of his character.

 

[Slayven]

Superman has to be the lamest superhero ever conceived, seriously. 'He can do everything lol' is pretty much the essence of his character.

Hahaha you must really hate The heralds.

 

[MisterHero]

superman was a herald of galactus once

 

[Manmademan]

What's crazy is that even as strong as the Flash and Supes are...the Top Tiers and some of the Higher Tiers would stomp them out of oblivion.

Franklin Richards would solo the Justice League and the DBZ verse with ridiculous ease.

Franklin Richards is kind of broken though- basically a god, no real limits. Like I pointed out to the Guren Lagann fan above, there are tons of these and they're not really fun to discuss since they can do anything and can't really be defeated.

It's like Pre-Retcon beyonder- an impossibly vast multiverse of infinite dimensions gains sentience, collapses itself down into human form and wrecks everything, and everyone is fucked.

ok? why do this?

Stop fighting it Slay. These streets will never let you go.

you know, I never recognize him since that avatar change. Slay's comic knowlege is frighteningly high.

 

[T'Zariah]

Superman has to be the lamest superhero ever conceived, seriously. 'He can do everything lol' is pretty much the essence of his character.

 

[MAtgS]

Goku in a kryptonite suit > Superman

Not in character for Goku to exploit such a thing.

Gurren Lagann vs the rest of the universe next!

Megas XLR wins, Coop would fins a way.

 

[Slayven]

That version of the character literally no longer exists. And the closes to him is insane and lost in time.

 

[Kusagari]

Sorry but that's your take on it. Never seen Goku overestimate or underestimate any ki blast in the field (there's only examples of him correctly measuring the scope of ki blasts, like Buu's attack on earth), so when Goku and co. in the field sense the ki in any attack, I take it as fact and not hyperbole. And Yama is pretty high and wise-tier entity in DBZ.

You can stick to your opinion, but the fans aren't wrong in assuming 'X' blast would have blown up entity 'Y' if Z-Fighter 'A' hadn't stopped it. Afterall its the whole point of why A stepped in, and they can sense ki easily in blasts, unless otherwise stated.

Which is why the Supreme Kai, who should be the wisest figure in the entire series really, was shown to be a complete clown who underestimated the Z Warriors countless times and looked like a buffoon in general right?

And nobody stepped in to stop anyone from destroying a dimension. Your only argument that they can is some random statement from a character who isn't even on the same tier as Buu or Vegetto.

You can use it as evidence if you want, but nobody worth their salt in debating would take that statement as proof of anything.

 

[ReiGun]

Superman is quite possibly the worst and dumbest character to ever grace fiction. Ever.

Wow. Tell us how you really feel. lol

 

[Manmademan]

Hahaha you must really hate The heralds.

Yeah, heralds (or at least the surfer- Terrax probably isn't much of a threat) would ruin superman's day 6 ways to sunday. Thinking of abilities they DON'T have takes work.

 

[AnathemicOne]

The fuck is this shit? This is stupider thanGoku

 

[LeleSocho]

like I said, we already had this discussion. High end marvel and DC cosmic forces are out of it's league. Even total scrubs like Roma have the means to completely obliterate an entire universe.

Galactus (who is mid to high end) via the ultimate nullifier wiped out thousands to tens of thousands of universes in an instant, then reconstructed them.

The high end ones (like the living tribunal above- the naked yellow thing) are abstract concepts that cannot be destroyed, and the LT himself has held a universe in each palm while casually deciding which one to eliminate.

And these aren't even "creator" level. they're just obscenely powerful cosmic forces.

and? seriously these powers are nothing to GL because not even in his ultimate form had a power (the one i mentioned) that actually it's made up to nullify all of those "universe detroyers" and "abstract things that cannot be destroyed by definition" not to mention that TTGL too can held universes in its own hands (and destroy them) and it's not even his final form.
Seriously Gurren Lagann is been created with the concept of it being the ultimate powerful thing and until someone does not create something with the sole intent of beating it, it won't be beated.

I myself had alone a week straight discussion with people on the power level of GL... trust me if i was more fluent in english no one could've handled me in this regards... but since i'm not so good at it i'll just retire silently.

 

[ReiGun]

The fuck is this shit? This is stupider thanGoku

Silver-Age Superman was hilariously overpowered. He literally had a new power almost every issue. lol

 

[Conor 419]

It's actually a pyrrhic victory because Superman is so incredibly lame.

 

[Akainu]

I had to stop the video some ways into the fight. I'm no expert on superman save for the cartoons but Goku wouldn't just start a fight like that. It doesn't actually end in death does it?

 

[Slayven]

Real talk Beta ray Bill will laugh off a spirit bomb

 

[G-Fex]

Dragonball: Evolution was more entertaining than Superman Returns


Goku wins

 

[MisterHero]

That version of the character literally no longer exists. And the closes to him is insane and lost in time.

Prime Superman is probably still in nu52 canon. The current version isn't at that level, but he may still be capable of it.

Superman just before nu52 could become the Thought Robot Superman. He also memorized the schematics of the Miracle Machine and could assemble if he wanted to.

Psssh I bet Krypto could beat up Goku

I had to stop the video some ways into the fight. I'm no expert on superman save for the cartoons but Goku wouldn't just start a fight like that. It doesn't actually end in death does it?

Spoiler

Goku instigated a fight that caused Earth to be crushed between his and Superman's fist. The only thing left was Superman and Goku's shoe.

The character was created during the Great Depression as a s symbol for the every-man. He was beating up mine-owners who were mistreating their workers and husbands who were physically abusing their wives. He was a social crusader in every sense of the phrase, and was a voice for the little-guy. His was also a symbol for every immigrant who came to the United States looking to start a new life and try to become a part of American culture.

So, yes, plenty of thought was put into him. Blame the 70's and on for turning him into a demi-God.

He became more powerful as he became a defender of other worlds. But you're very right, the bolded is what it's all about!

 

[ReiGun]

It doesn't actually end in death does it?

It does. The whole point of the series is that one character kills the other. Hence "Death Battle."

Real talk Beta ray Bill will laugh off a spirit bomb

Even Thor is free to Bill. Goku don't want it.

 

[Manmademan]

and? seriously these powers are nothing to GL because not even in his ultimate form had a power (the one i mentioned) that basically nullifies all of those "universe detroyer" and "abstract things that cannot be destroyed" not to mention that TTGL too can held universes in its own hands (and destroy them).
Seriously Gurren Lagann is been created with the concept of it being the ultimate powerful thing and until someone does not create something with the sole intent of beating it, it won't be beated.

I myself had alone a week straight discussion with people on the power level of GL... trust me if i was more fluent in english no one could've handled me in this regards... but since i'm not so good at it i'll just retire silently.

you might as well. or just find the old thread-. It's basically going up against things that can simply will it into never having existed at all. The infinity gauntlet grants total and infinite control of time, space, reality, power, the mind, and the soul- and even THAT wasn't sufficient to defeat the living tribunal.

And at that level, there's not really anything you can do.

Real talk Beta ray Bill will laugh off a spirit bomb

Funny you say this- Mjolnir absorbed the contents of a null bomb that was set to blow a galaxy apart, amped the power, fired it across space and ignited dead stars with it. So yeah...a spirit bomb WOULD be worthless against BRB/Stormbreaker.

 

[MattKeil]

It's actually a pyrrhic victory because Superman is so incredibly lame.

Nah, Superman wins because it is actually physically impossible to be as lame or lamer than Dragonball fucking Z.

I ended up having to watch a bunch of DBZ back in my retail days because the store owner would send his grandkids to watch it in our section of the store since he very understandably couldn't tolerate something that mind-shreddingly stupid being on in earshot every afternoon. Some of the '80s cartoons were so bad that you have to wonder if our parents worried about us, but if I caught my kid watching and enjoying DBZ I would actually take them to the Emergency Room immediately because clearly something has gone horribly wrong.

So yes, Superman wins because Goku is dumb.

 

[Slayven]

you might as well. or just find the old thread-. It's basically going up against things that can simply will it into never having existed at all. The infinity gauntlet grants total control of time, space, reality, power, the mind, and the soul- and even THAT wasn't sufficient to defeat the living tribunal.

And at that level, there's not really anything you can do.

The LT has destroyed entire universes because they are a danger to the multiverse.

 

[Router]

Again. The outcome of this match depends ENTIRELY on which version of Superman Goku fights.

If it's Pre-Crisis, Goku gets rapestomped hard. Post-Crisis, Goku takes it.

First reply nails it.

 

[Conor 419]

If you think about it, it's actually a loss for Superman, he is that lame that any victory for him, no matter what form, is inherently a loss.

Goku wins.

/thread.

 

[Router]

If you think about it, it's actually a loss for Superman, he is that lame that any victory for him, no matter what form, is inherently a loss.

Goku wins.

/thread.

 

[ReiGun]

This makes Superman the only member of the Trinity to win in Death Battle. Wonder Woman lost to Rogue, and Batman lost to Spider-Man.

...Hm. Maybe Supes should have fought a Marvel character?

 

[params7]

Which is why the Supreme Kai, who should be the wisest figure in the entire series really, was shown to be a complete clown who underestimated the Z Warriors countless times and looked like a buffoon in general right?

Supreme Kai had a universe to look over. He never claimed to be the all-seeing eye/entity, just a very powerful being but still with a pair of eyes only. He had heard about Freeza and Goku and so on. And..really, if you hadn't noticed, Z-fighters, when they aren't fighting, have highly deflated powerlevels. He had no clue about Goku and Vegeta's powerlevels because he had never tried to sense their ki at various levels.

And nobody stepped in to stop anyone from destroying a dimension.

But Vegitto did..Wtf are you talking about? Infact, it was the only point in the whole fight vs Buuhan, that Vegitto looked concerned and serious and dropped his cocky attitude to stop him. Followed by Yama's words on what would have happened if he didn't.

You can use it as evidence if you want, but nobody worth their salt in debating would take that statement as proof of anything.

Really don't get what you're trying to say. You also skipped over the ki sensing point in my previous post. Also, think I can use the same point for Superman. Its extremely shitty nitpicking that really proves nothing. Any scans of post-crisis Superman destroying an entire dimension?

 

[Manmademan]

The LT has destroyed entire universes because they are a danger to the multiverse.

Oh, I'm aware he has. But that poster was saying it doesn't matter, GL would still defeat it, it can blow up a universe too, etc.

I was trying to illustrate that the power of the high end abstracts (like LT) is so bizarrely off the wall that you really can't "attack" them per se. If literally infinite power can't destroy it, you're basically screwed.

The nullifier wipes out entire timelines from beginning to end, as if they never happened. GL would never be constructed. it's pilots never born. the atoms that created it never escaped the big bang. and it can do this to thousands of dimensions at once and even THAT isn't on the radar of the LT. (It's significantly weaker than even an incomplete infinity gauntlet.)

the only way one would be insane enough to attempt to argue that the LT or similar would lose is if they've just never been exposed to the character.

 

[ReiGun]

I was trying to illustrate that the power of the high end abstracts (like LT) is so bizarrely off the wall that you really can't "attack" them per se. If literally infinite power can't destroy it, you're basically screwed.

Moreover, most people can't even stand being in their realm. Absorbing Man nearly had his mind ripped apart by it. Hank Pym...was merely tired.

Hank Pym is the man, is what I'm saying.

 

[Discotheque]

Goku's a dumbass. He'd let superman go power up in the sun for the "spirit of competition" and then get his ass whooped

 

[LeleSocho]

you might as well. or just find the old thread-. It's basically going up against things that can simply will it into never having existed at all. The infinity gauntlet grants total and infinite control of time, space, reality, power, the mind, and the soul- and even THAT wasn't sufficient to defeat the living tribunal.

And at that level, there's not really anything you can do.

Again things that are already controlled by GL in not even his final form and without the help of any mystic and gigapowerful item...

 

[Angry Fork]

Phew. Glad that's settled now I can get on with my life.

But what about Batman vs. Godzilla...

 

[Manmademan]

Again things that are already controlled by GL in not even his final form and without the help of any mystic and gigapowerful item...

Are you seriously trying to argue that GL is the equivalent of the infinity gauntlet?
now this is an argument I would love to see.

 

[T'Zariah]

But what about Batman vs. Godzilla...

Godzilla has planet busting feats.

So...yeah.

 

[ChosenPredator]

yeah goku is pretty stupid imagine if he had the mind of batman he'd ice superman in a matter of seconds.

 

[Medalion]

This makes Superman the only member of the Trinity to win in Death Battle. Wonder Woman lost to Rogue, and Batman lost to Spider-Man.

...Hm. Maybe Supes should have fought a Marvel character?

Batman didn't lose, that's what he would've wanted you to think so he can defeat you with them with his grappling hook on a technicality!!!

 

[Shapingo]

I know it is Silver-age Superman but why is he able to talk and breath in the vacuum of space?

 

[Killing_Joke]

Love Goku and all but this isn't and never will be a contest. Fact is unless you're kryptonian, use the kryptonite exploit, or one of the very few super strength villains. No one can touch Superman.

 

[MechaX]

To be fair, even Post-Crisis Superman sounds broken as shit given the feats they listed in the video.

 

[T'Zariah]

Love Goku and all but this isn't and never will be a contest. Fact is unless you're kryptonian, use the kryptonite exploit, or one of the very few super strength villains. No one can touch Superman.

No one? lol.

There are at least 30 characters that would legitimately beat the ever living shit out of him.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Superman can't blow up the Earth just by getting angry.

 

[harmonize]

 

[Manmademan]

Love Goku and all but this isn't and never will be a contest. Fact is unless you're kryptonian, use the kryptonite exploit, or one of the very few super strength villains. No one can touch Superman.

Superman isn't all powerful. He's just too much for Goku- Goku doesn't really have a way to exploit any of superman's weaknesses.

The silver surfer could (in theory) shrink himself to microscopic size, enter superman's body, flood him with red solar energy to depower him and then just wreck his body from the inside.

As we mentioned before, the Flash is more powerful. Speed drain superman to a standstill, nail him with IMPs until he's paste.

Green Lantern rings can do anything the wielder wants them to, provided they have the willpower.

Superman has a crippling magic weakness, though some writers are sticklers for this and some aren't. Wonder Woman's magical weapons have been shown to hurt him on more than one occasion, for instance.

 

[Joel Was Right]

No one? lol.

There are at least 30 characters that would legitimately beat the ever living shit out of him.

Even after he enters the Sun and absorbs its energy?

 

[Slayven]

Superman isn't all powerful. He's just too much for Goku- Goku doesn't really have a way to exploit any of superman's weaknesses.

The silver surfer could (in theory) shrink himself to microscopic size, enter superman's body, flood him with red solar energy to depower him and then just wreck his body from the inside.

As we mentioned before, the Flash is more powerful. Speed drain superman to a standstill, nail him with IMPs until he's paste.

Green Lantern rings can do anything the wielder wants them to, provided they have the willpower.

Superman has a crippling magic weakness, though some writers are sticklers for this and some aren't. Wonder Woman's magical weapons have been shown to hurt him on more than one occasion, for instance.

Fuck Hal. Kyle was and is the best ringslinger ever.

Even after he enters the Sun and absorbs its energy?

Sun Dip Superman isn't the end all be all. Sentry, Gladiator, Rune Thor, Worldbreaker, and The Fury just off the top of my head could end him.

 

[Reiko]

And which version of Goku?

Base Kid Goku from Dragonball GT was pretty damn powerful.

 

[Manmademan]

Even after he enters the Sun and absorbs its energy?

yes, even then. A skilled energy user (let's use the surfer again) could simply tear the solar energy from his body, then beat the bejeezus out of him.

Fuck Hal. Kyle was and is the best ringslinger ever.

not even a debate. All Hal tended to do was smack things around with big goofy green fists. Pre-Retcon Parallax WAS pretty boss, though.