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[J-Rzez]

Yeah, Goku probably should've won that. Superman is given too much credit.

Hell, Vegeta would've probably actually beat Superman. Laser eyes? Bah. Final Flash is where the hotness is at.

Speaking of these Death Battles: Dante vs Deadpool would be nifty.

 

[universalmind]

They would've hit a ceiling at the 20 year mark.

wat

 

[Parallax]

Parker with Bloodlust on would be a nasty opponent. WAY too much for batman.
Hell, I'd put an enraged parker against Bruce, Dick, Tim, Jason, AND Damian combined with no issues.

they'd be dead in minutes.

Black Pete would do that while screaming to the ends of the earth, taunting them and psychologically breaking them down. But they'd have to kill a recently revived uncle Ben for that to happen

Supes got his ass killed by Doomsday. Much weaker than given credit for.

Doomsday would wreck just about anyone. The only thing that killed him was the death of the universe

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

No matter who wins, it would always start with Goku getting his ass kicked, complimenting Superman on his strength, and then transforming. Always.

 

[Oblivionmancer]

But everytime Goku loses he gets 10 times stronger! But Superman can just drink more Sunny D! AAAGH!

 

[Manmademan]

First question: lol, what? The only person Goku couldn't beat on your list is Thor, Flash, and MAYBE Hulk...depends on which version. He rapes the rest.

Second question, is Tenchi, from Tenchi Muyo. The only Marvel character that could beat Tenchi would be the Living Tribunal and The-One-Above-All.

Also ZeedMilleniummon from Digimon would stomp 95 percent of the DC/Marvel Verse.

I was thinking that at first, but remembered that Wonder Woman's lasso is an unbreakable pacification device. She gets it around him and the fight is over- and...she's pretty fast.

Iron man loses more often than not, but has a ton of weird ass armors designed to take out threats more powerful than his regular rogue's gallery. There's a fun segment in AvX where he deploys anti psionic nanites to keep the telepaths from thinking, then uses satellites to pull the gravity field from the planet jupiter (!) and overwhelm magneto (!!) with it.

If he knows Goku is coming, Iron man might be hard to put down.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I should be shocked that people think supes is lame, but this is kinda par for the course. But with people bringing up supes writers, didn't toriyama want to end it at frieza?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/

It's often been rumored and speculated that "Toriyama wanted to end it after ______" based on vague comments from Toriyama, but never proven or had hard evidence.


Anyway, it's between two totally different kinds of characters.

Superman is a man who knows that he has infinite ability and has to grapple with how to resolve that with the rest of the universe.

Goku is a child at heart who always wants to see what new impossible challenges that the next adventure will bring.

 

[Chuck Norris]

How is it that Superman can supposedly take 10 supernovas to the face, but he dies if he draws too much energy from the sun? Where's the logic?

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

The Sentry is all that needs to be said.

 

[Snakeyes]

And this stylish motherfucker owns the two in both power and swagger.

wedonehere.jpg

 

[Manmademan]

How is it that Superman can supposedly take 10 supernovas to the face, but he dies if he draws too much energy from the sun? Where's the logic?

the "dies if he draws too much solar energy" was only an alternate worlds tale in all star superman.

the regular one sat in the middle of the sun for hundreds of years in DC 1 million and was basically a golden space jesus.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Black Pete would do that while screaming to the ends of the earth, taunting them and psychologically breaking them down. But they'd have to kill a recently revived uncle Ben for that to happen



Doomsday would wreck just about anyone. The only thing that killed him was the death of the universe

Doomsday is pretty similar to Boo, just a malevolent wrecking force with constant regeneration abilities. There really doesn't seem to be anything that Doomsday did to Superman that couldn't be replicated by Goku

 

[MisterHero]

How is it that Superman can supposedly take 10 supernovas to the face, but he dies if he draws too much energy from the sun? Where's the logic?

The "disease" he gets in All-star Superman isn't a disease at all. He was actually turning into Prime Superman.

He once got cancer from Kryptonite.

During JLA: Tower of Babel, he was irradiated with special red Kryptonite that turned his skin translucent. The sunlight didn't actually hurt him, but it overloaded his nerves and put him into shock.

 

[Manmademan]

Doomsday is pretty similar to Boo, just a malevolent wrecking force with constant regeneration abilities. There really doesn't seem to be anything that Doomsday did to Superman that couldn't be replicated by Goku

Doomsday doesn't just regenerate, he evolves on the fly. That's why he was so hard for everyone to put down- he becomes stronger than you mid fight and your attacks are worthless. The more you fight him the more powerful he is.

Later versions of Doomsday were so powerful the only way to deal with him was to banish him to the end of time.

Goku would be paste.

 

[Freshmaker]

Goku could take most mainline marvel and DC characters, up to a point. most of them don't have that kind of speed and strength.

Thor? probably not. That hammer is as versatile as a lantern ring.
Wonderwoman? probably- oh wait, not if she has that lasso.
Flash? Hell no, haven't you been paying attention?
Batman would be dead in seconds.
Captain america? same as above.
Iron man? tough call. With prep Tony can squeak out a win- he has some really nasty equipment. probably Goku more often than not though.
Hulk? no. Hulk has a ridiculous healing factor, practically infinite strength, and superspeed reflexes. Goku doesn't have the muscle to put down an enraged hulk.

By the end of DB, Goku's strong enough to single handedly obliterate a solar system in seconds without powering up. Thor would have a very hard time against him.

Iron Man's been shredded by Spider Man so I don't see how he could possibly fare well in such a fight.

Hulk's got infinite strength but that takes time to accrue since he's usually not maxxed out on anger right away. Goku could put him down well before he got to full strength. He's vaporized better regenerators before.

Flash could have trouble simply because Goku can fly and teleport.

 

[Parallax]

Doomsday is pretty similar to Boo, just a malevolent wrecking force with constant regeneration abilities. There really doesn't seem to be anything that Doomsday did to Superman that couldn't be replicated by Goku

He would stop him with a kamehameha, then dd would revive immune to it, and possibly other ki attacks. There's a difference between a creature that can keep coming, and one who keeps coming back who chips away at your arsenal.

 

[Deified Data]

Silver Surfer beats them both, sorry.

 

[73V3N]

Goku wins, everyone knows that.

 

[Freshmaker]

Silver Surfer beats them both, sorry.

I doubt it.

 

[T'Zariah]

By the end of DB, Goku's strong enough to single handedly obliterate a solar system in seconds without powering up. Thor would have a very hard time against him.

Iron Man's been shredded by Spider Man so I don't see how he could possibly fare well in such a fight.

Hulk's got infinite strength but that takes time to accrue since he's usually not maxxed out on anger right away. Goku could put him down well before he got to full strength. He's vaporized better regenerators before.

Flash could have trouble simply because Goku can fly and teleport.

Thor could tank every single attack Goku could dish out without injury to him. Thor has Galatic+ level durability.

Flash is, literally, infinitely times faster than Goku. It doesn't matter how fast Goku is, Flash can slow him down and obliterate him down to his very molecules.

Hulk...as I said...depends on which version.

Iron Man without prep gets beat down. With Prep, he can possibly take him.

 

[MisterHero]

Silver Surfer got swarmed by zombies. He's nuthin mang

 

[Parallax]

Silver Surfer got swarmed by zombies. He's nuthin mang

Not the same surfer, or even as strong

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

Why are we all hung up on Superman, we should be worrying about Kyle Rayner.

And its speculated he will have white soon as well?
Come on, you want to talk OP Lanterns are generally OP but Kyle is getting somewhere beyond now....not welcome on Earth.

where does this story start? i've not caught up lately on comics.

 

[Freshmaker]

Thor could tank every single attack Goku could dish out without injury to him. Thor has Galatic+ level durability.

I don't think you understand how broken Goku is.

Iron Man without prep gets beat down. With Prep, he can possibly take him.

He couldn't even take the Hulk with prep time.

 

[SolarPowered]

Goku could take most mainline marvel and DC characters, up to a point. most of them don't have that kind of speed and strength.

Thor? probably not. That hammer is as versatile as a lantern ring.
Wonderwoman? probably- oh wait, not if she has that lasso.
Flash? Hell no, haven't you been paying attention?
Batman would be dead in seconds.
Captain america? same as above.
Iron man? tough call. With prep Tony can squeak out a win- he has some really nasty equipment. probably Goku more often than not though.
Hulk? no. Hulk has a ridiculous healing factor, practically infinite strength, and superspeed reflexes. Goku doesn't have the muscle to put down an enraged hulk.

Thor wouldn't want to tangle with Goku. Mjolnr wouldn't think twice about letting Goku wield him. There aren't that many people with such a pure heart.

 

[Parallax]

Thor wouldn't want to tangle with Goku. Mjolnr wouldn't think twice about letting Goku wield him. There aren't that many people with such a pure heart.

Its about worthy, not pure of heart.

 

[rekameohs]

Squirrel Girl would destroy either.

 

[params7]

Thor could tank every single attack Goku could dish out without injury to him. Thor has Galatic+ level durability.

Flash is, literally, infinitely times faster than Goku. It doesn't matter how fast Goku is, Flash can slow him down and obliterate him down to his very molecules.

Hulk...as I said...depends on which version.

Iron Man without prep gets beat down. With Prep, he can possibly take him.

Goku is barely above lowest tier X-men lol!

But in the end he's more exciting than any of them, because of his character and ultimately his love for training and fighting.

 

[MisterHero]

Not the same surfer, or even as strong

Well, if 616 Surfer was fighting 5 zombies, he could probably still get owned. The zombies were able to pierce the other version's skin after all.

Thor would win on technicality. Neither he or Goku can truly die, but Thor can come back from Valhalla on his own.

 

[thetrin]

What's crazy is that even as strong as the Flash and Supes are...the Top Tiers and some of the Higher Tiers would stomp them out of oblivion.

Franklin Richards would solo the Justice League and the DBZ verse with ridiculous ease.

Franklin Richards doesn't even have to fight. He just creates a universe where he won.

Thor wouldn't want to tangle with Goku. Mjolnr wouldn't think twice about letting Goku wield him. There aren't that many people with such a pure heart.

It isn't a green lantern ring. Mjolnir doesn't give two shits how pure his heart is.

And this stylish motherfucker owns the two in both power and swagger.

wedonehere.jpg

Well, this is true. Giorno would destroy both of them, because Gold Experience Requiem is all kinds of broken.

 

[Parallax]

Goku is barely above lowest tier X-men lol!

But in the end he's more exciting than any of them, because of his character and ultimately his love for training and coming back levels stronger.

Let's not go crazy. Goku deals with dudes that would give non omega mutants something to cry about.

 

[VitalNerve]

Awesome, now I want to see a luffy vs naruto. That shit would be off the chain!

 

[Chuck Norris]

He would stop him with a kamehameha, then dd would revive immune to it, and possibly other ki attacks. There's a difference between a creature that can keep coming, and one who keeps coming back who chips away at your arsenal.

Not exactly sure how Doomsday works, but the kamehameha is just a manifestation of physical strength. It's like saying you're immune to punches.

Doomsdays revival isn't instant either IIRC. Again, like Buu its more of a rebirth right?

 

[ReiGun]

Its about worthy, not pure of heart.

Indeed. Thor is hardly pure himself.

Squirrel Girl would destroy either.

That's not fair. Squirrel Girl is a force of nature. An agent of the universe. She cannot be stopped by anyone.

 

[Manmademan]

By the end of DB, Goku's strong enough to single handedly obliterate a solar system in seconds without powering up. Thor would have a very hard time against him.

Iron Man's been shredded by Spider Man so I don't see how he could possibly fare well in such a fight.

Hulk's got infinite strength but that takes time to accrue since he's usually not maxxed out on anger right away. Goku could put him down well before he got to full strength. He's vaporized better regenerators before.

Flash could have trouble simply because Goku can fly and teleport.

Thor's strength is "undefined" by marvel. no one really knows how strong he is- but the pressure of arm wrestling with hercules nearly threw the planet off it's axis. For all intents and purposes, he's "as strong as he needs to be."

But the reason I gave him the win was because of that hammer. It's extremely versatile- not only can it manipulate matter, Exceed light speeds, drain and subsequently triple the output of any energy it comes in contact with, steal souls, control the weather, create antimatter, and generate forcefields- Thor can also channel his own godly energies through the hammer and this shit is lethal- it nearly killed ego the living planet and sent galactus fleeing for his life. Did I also mention it can teleport opponents or entire battlefields elsewhere? If Goku is too tough for thor to handle, he'll simply find himself in the middle of the sun, or banished to hell with no way back.

Thor's damage soak is monstrous- nukes cannot hurt Thor. He uses cobalt bombs to test his strength. He hangs out in the sun for fun. He's taken point blank shots from celestials (look these up) and only gotten pissed off. Thor has fought Zeus, king of the greek gods for months straight without stopping.

Goku does not have the arsenal to take down Thor. I'm sorry man- it's just not happening.

As for Iron man, there are many different versions of iron man with different suits and capabilities. Currently he's considerably more powerful than spider man is- this isn't really a debate. The magneto fight was a hell of a showing for him.

Hulk doesn't take that long to get angry, and even at base strength he's ridiculously powerful. Again, like Thor he's as strong as he needs to be- he and thor have fought (and stalemated) many times. It doesn't matter if Goku has fought regenerators before- he doesn't have what it takes to put the hulk down. The hulk will simply heal whatever damage he dishes out, and the more pissed off he gets from fighting the more powerful he'll be. This is a bad match for goku who most certainly does NOT heal mid fight.

Flash controls "speed" itself, and can drain goku to a standstill. He can vibrate himself into untouchability, throw pebbles that hit like planets- there is no way for goku to defeat The Flash.

Not exactly sure how Doomsday works, but the kamehameha is just a manifestation of physical strength. It's like saying you're immune to punches.

Doomsdays revival isn't instant either IIRC. Again, like Buu its more of a rebirth right?

Doomsday most certainly DOES become immune to physical strength. It takes higher and higher levels of power to put him down. Kill him with a 100 ton hit to the face, he comes back and now 100 tons isn't enough. it might take 120, then 150, then 200...etc.

at some point they decided doomsday evolves mid fight. he no longer needs to die. If your attack isn't sufficient to kill him outright (and this is pretty much everything now) he simply evolves past the point where it's effective. Doomsday is ridiculously OP.

 

[Parallax]

if 616 Surfer was fighting 5 zombies, he could probably still get owned. The zombies were able to pierce the other version's skin after all.

Thor would win on technicality. Neither he or Goku can truly die, but Thor can come back from Valhalla on his own.

The beat that surfer with the element of surprise and standard otherverse nonsense. Zombies aren't gonna get the drop on 616 nor in because he would have been to earth and would know what to expect

Franklin Richards doesn't even have to fight. He just creates a universe where he won.

He can create their weaknesses from thin air and use them against them. It wouldn't take another universe

 

[Minion101]

Till that video I didn't know much superman lore and would have chosen Goku as winner.

 

[OnPoint]

Doomsday doesn't just regenerate, he evolves on the fly. That's why he was so hard for everyone to put down- he becomes stronger than you mid fight and your attacks are worthless. The more you fight him the more powerful he is.

Later versions of Doomsday were so powerful the only way to deal with him was to banish him to the end of time.

Goku would be paste.

I remember reading that TPB and thinking "This is what happens when you write yourself into a corner"

 

[Parallax]

Not exactly sure how Doomsday works, but the kamehameha is just a manifestation of physical strength. It's like saying you're immune to punches.

Doomsdays revival isn't instant either IIRC. Again, like Buu its more of a rebirth right?

Whatever it is, if it killed him once, it won't work a second time. If that means that goku cripples himself severely, then thats that unfortunately

And his resurrection is healing the damaged area and going again.

 

[Freshmaker]

Thor's strength is "undefined" by marvel. no one really knows how strong he is- but the pressure of arm wrestling with hercules nearly threw the planet off it's axis. For all intents and purposes, he's "as strong as he needs to be."

But the reason I gave him the win was because of that hammer. It's extremely versatile- not only can it manipulate matter, Exceed light speeds, drain and subsequently triple the output of any energy it comes in contact with, steal souls, control the weather, create antimatter, and generate forcefields- Thor can also channel his own godly energies through the hammer and this shit is lethal- it nearly killed ego the living planet and sent galactus fleeing for his life. Did I also mention it can teleport opponents or entire battlefields elsewhere? If Goku is too tough for thor to handle, he'll simply find himself in the middle of the sun, or banished to hell with no way back.

Goku can teleport out of hell. He's done it before.

Thor's damage soak is monstrous- nukes cannot hurt Thor. He uses cobalt bombs to test his strength. He hangs out in the sun for fun. He's taken point blank shots from celestials (look these up) and only gotten pissed off. Thor has fought Zeus, king of the greek gods for months straight without stopping.

Goku does not have the arsenal to take down Thor. I'm sorry man- it's just not happening.

Nothing you've stated is beyond Goku's capacity so far.

This is a bad match for goku who most certainly does NOT heal mid fight.

If he has a bag of senzu beans, he does. His strength increases exponentially with each near death healing.

Flash controls "speed" itself, and can drain goku to a standstill. He can vibrate himself into untouchability, throw pebbles that hit like planets- there is no way for goku to defeat The Flash.

Flash has trouble with Captain Boomerang.

 

[MisterHero]

I remember reading that TPB and thinking "This is what happens when you write yourself into a corner"

It would've worked if Brainiac hadn't saved him.

Eventually Doomsday developed sentience so he became an anti-hero.

 

[EightBitNate]

I considered looking at pictures of Goku vs Superman, but then I imagined all the hentai that would pop up.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Thor's strength is "undefined" by marvel. no one really knows how strong he is- but the pressure of arm wrestling with hercules nearly threw the planet off it's axis. For all intents and purposes, he's "as strong as he needs to be."

But the reason I gave him the win was because of that hammer. It's extremely versatile- not only can it manipulate matter, Exceed light speeds, drain and subsequently triple the output of any energy it comes in contact with, steal souls, control the weather, create antimatter, and generate forcefields- Thor can also channel his own godly energies through the hammer and this shit is lethal- it nearly killed ego the living planet and sent galactus fleeing for his life. Did I also mention it can teleport opponents or entire battlefields elsewhere? If Goku is too tough for thor to handle, he'll simply find himself in the middle of the sun, or banished to hell with no way back.

Thor's damage soak is monstrous- nukes cannot hurt Thor. He uses cobalt bombs to test his strength. He hangs out in the sun for fun. He's taken point blank shots from celestials (look these up) and only gotten pissed off. Thor has fought Zeus, king of the greek gods for months straight without stopping.

Goku does not have the arsenal to take down Thor. I'm sorry man- it's just not happening.

As for Iron man, there are many different versions of iron man with different suits and capabilities. Currently he's considerably more powerful than spider man is- this isn't really a debate. The magneto fight was a hell of a showing for him.

Hulk doesn't take that long to get angry, and even at base strength he's ridiculously powerful. Again, like Thor he's as strong as he needs to be- he and thor have fought (and stalemated) many times. It doesn't matter if Goku has fought regenerators before- he doesn't have what it takes to put the hulk down. The hulk will simply heal whatever damage he dishes out, and the more pissed off he gets from fighting the more powerful he'll be. This is a bad match for goku who most certainly does NOT heal mid fight.

Flash controls "speed" itself, and can drain goku to a standstill. He can vibrate himself into untouchability, throw pebbles that hit like planets- there is no way for goku to defeat The Flash.



Doomsday most certainly DOES become immune to physical strength. It takes higher and higher levels of power to put him down. Kill him with a 100 ton hit to the face, he comes back and now 100 tons isn't enough. it might take 120, then 150, then 200...etc.

at some point they decided doomsday evolves mid fight. he no longer needs to die. If your attack isn't sufficient to kill him outright (and this is pretty much everything now) he simply evolves past the point where it's effective. Doomsday is ridiculously OP.

If tools are applicable than Goku can most certainly heal mid fight with senzu beans, an his strength increases in proportion to the damage he takes

 

[les papillons sexuels]

has goku ever gone back in time? because if not, then superman and the flash would just go back to when his mom was preggo and kick her in the stomach, game over.

 

[params7]

Thor's strength is "undefined" by marvel. no one really knows how strong he is- but the pressure of arm wrestling with hercules nearly threw the planet off it's axis. For all intents and purposes, he's "as strong as he needs to be."

That's not really that impressive in the DB world..farts like Nappa caused massive earthquakes and pretty much made the whole planet vibrate by breathing hard and powering up from base.

Thor's damage soak is monstrous- nukes cannot hurt Thor. he uses cobalt bombs to test his strength. He hangs out in the sun for fun. He's taken point blank shots from celestials (look these up) and only gotten pissed off. Thor has fought Zeus, king of the greek gods for months straight without stopping.

Nukes stopped hurting Goku when he was a 12yr old or something in Dragonball. And DBZ'ers take pretty celestial attacks point blank all the time so they do deserve some credit here. Freeza was inches from death, cut in half when Namek (planet larger than earth) exploded on his face and did nothing to him. Considering his skin is that tough, Goku was punching and and ki blasting this being at full power.

Roshi's powerlevel is within 200 when he blew up the moon. Freeza's was at a million and generated ki blasts on a finger point that blew up Planet Vegeta.

And Freeza by end of DBZ is nothing. Like I said before, look up the episode 'Rip In The Universe', where Buuhan is ripping apart reality, and makes Vegetto almost shit his pants...Dende and King Yama commented that would have been the end of the universe if Vegetto hadn't stopped him. Now granted that was Vegetto and this is just Goku, but sense of cosmic scale still applies.

Maybe Thor will beat Goku in a fight, but I just don't see it being as easy as you're putting it.

 

[J-Tier]

Goku can teleport out of hell. He's done it before.

Nothing you've stated is beyond Goku's capacity so far.


If he has a bag of senzu beans, he does. His strength increases exponentially with each near death healing.

Flash has trouble with Captain Boomerang.

We're talking about characters at their greatest right? That's not even a good example.

 

[T'Zariah]

Goku can teleport out of hell. He's done it before.

Nothing you've stated is beyond Goku's capacity so far.


If he has a bag of senzu beans, he does. His strength increases exponentially with each near death healing.

Flash has trouble with Captain Boomerang.

Wow. I think it's obvious you've never opened up a comic book have you? The DBZ verse is insanely weak compared to marvel and DC

 

[Manmademan]

Goku can teleport out of hell. He's done it before.

Norse hell is a bit different than the friendly versions he might be used to. And again- middle of the sun. This will not hurt Thor, it WILL kill Goku.

Nothing you've stated is beyond Goku's capacity so far.

so...goku can handle getting his soul stolen? Can fight for months without rest or food against the king of the gods?

If he has a bag of senzu beans, he does. His strength increases exponentially with each near death healing.

Oh, ok- let's just give thor his belt which doubles his strength, or perhaps the odin power which lets him tear galaxies apart, or fight on every plane of existence simultaneously?

Flash has trouble with Captain Boomerang.

Superman has trouble with lex luthor. it's comic book writing.

Nukes stopped hurting Goku when he was a 12yr old or something in Dragonball. And DBZ'ers take pretty celestial attacks point blank all the time so they do deserve some credit here. Freeza was inches from death, cut in half when Namek (planet larger than earth) exploded on his face and did nothing to him. Considering his skin is that tough, Goku was punching and and ki blasting this being at full power.

I said he took attacks point blank from "A" celestial. A celestial is a very, VERY powerful race in the MU. wiping out planets is the low end of the scale for them. They are noted as being "infinitely" more powerful than cube beings, and those things can wipe out entire universes at will.

Roshi's powerlevel is within 200 when he blew up the moon. Freeza's was at a million and generated ki blasts on a finger point that blew up Planet Vegeta.

Mjolnir absorbed the energy from a galaxy busting bomb, tripled the output, and lit up dead stars with it. Ki blasts are nothing in comparison.

And Freeza by end of DBZ is nothing. Like I said before, look up the episode 'Rip In The Universe', where Buuhan is ripping apart reality, and makes Vegetto almost shit his pants...Dende and King Yama commented that would have been the end of the universe if Vegetto hadn't stopped him. Now granted that was Vegetto and this is just Goku, but sense of cosmic scale still applies.

Maybe Thor will beat Goku in a fight, but I just don't see it being as easy as you're putting it.

there's no maybe. Thor's strength is infinite, speed is beyond light level, he has infinite stamina, incalculable durability, can't be harmed by energy assaults and can just rob souls or transform goku into a pile of bricks. Goku is heavily outmatched.

 

[universalmind]

has goku ever gone back in time? because if not, then superman and the flash would just go back to when his mom was preggo and kick her in the stomach, game over.

Goku's mum would steamroll Superman and Flash.

 

[Hero]

You guys are a bunch of try hards.

And some of you just reaffirmed why I stopped reading comics in high school.