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Awfully relevant:

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[J-Tier]

Anyways, I can never take Superman's story seriously due to the fact all he needs to do to conceal himself is just a pair of glasses. Yeah some people have been trying to explain this by him changing posture and whatnot but even with those kind of explanations its still reeks of hilarious BS; I honestly don't think his original creator/conceptor even thought of that.

Superhuman facial muscles bro.

 

[VitalNerve]

Are DF's magic? I never understood how they work. Then, I haven't read much One Piece.

The fruits grant the eater a power, the power depends entirely on what fruit they eat.

 

[Hero]

Honestly, you'd think the strongest member of a conquering warrior race that lives for battle would be worthy of picking up a hammer from another conquering warrior race.

But no, apparently not. It is however, capable of being picked up by American Jesus, a selfless and messianic figure whose powers come from taking drugs after he joined the military-industrial complex.

I missed this, but this is hilarious and to the point. Some dude who fights for his country is apparently worthy of being chosen by Thor, but not the pinnacle of an almost existent race of alien warriors that saves billions.

 

[Vanish]

I have never read a flash comic book in my life but if he can go faster than the speed of light and he can steal/slow down his opponent's speed and other such nonsense, then how does crime still even exist?What kind of villains does he face that can impose any sort of credible threat to him (besides gods)?

 

[Keikaku]

You guys are a bunch of try hards.

And some of you just reaffirmed why I stopped reading comics in high school.

According to the manga, Goku was the first Super Saiyan, unless you're taking into account a character which Toei animation made up (Bardock, his father) who was later adapted in a short manga short where he became Super Saiyan. Before Goku, it was all a myth and a legend.

I can buy Steve being a genius, don't know much about BRB. From what I read he showed up and the only reason Odin recognized him was that he fought Thor equally without powers and gifted his own hammer.

Goku is a talented, dedicated martial artist and duelist, but you just throw that out the window. You're coming off extremely bias.

Hmmmmmm

 

[J-Tier]

I have never read a flash comic book in my life but if he can go faster than the speed of light and he can steal/slow down his opponent's speed and other such nonsense, then how does crime still even exist?What kind of villains does he face that can impose any sort of credible threat to him (besides gods)?

He's absurdedly overpowered. But I guess the writers make him "pull his punches" so that the story they write plays out nicely.

 

[ReiGun]

The fruits grant the eater a power, the power depends entirely on what fruit they eat.

Well duh. I get that, but...well, basically all the EmCee was talking about. Where do they come from? Why can't DF users swim? Why are there so many of the damned things?

 

[Hero]

Hmmmmmm

I was being sarcastic in my first post, in case it wasn't clear. I've participated in previous threads like these too. Would you like me to add a smiley or winky face to that post to make it clear?

 

[Reiko]

According to the manga, Goku was the first Super Saiyan, unless you're taking into account a character which Toei animation made up (Bardock, his father) who was later adapted in a short manga short where he became Super Saiyan. Before Goku, it was all a myth and a legend.

I can buy Steve being a genius, don't know much about BRB. From what I read he showed up and the only reason Odin recognized him was that he fought Thor equally without powers and gifted his own hammer.

Goku is a talented, dedicated martial artist and duelist, but you just throw that out the window. You're coming off extremely bias.

Nope. Nappa went SSJ first.

 

[Keikaku]

I was being sarcastic in my first post, in case it wasn't clear. I've participated in previous threads like these too. Would you like me to add a smiley or winky face to that post to make it clear?

Yes please

But, for reals, Flash beats either of these two scrubs. His only weakness is bad writing.

 

[Oblivionmancer]

Don't know much about Captain America, do you? Cap's "powers" are skill and dedication. he doesn't need the serum.

Steve was still a threat even WITHOUT the super soldier serum (he's defeated super soldiers with a decaying body), and routinely takes out opponents in the 10, 20, and 50 ton range.

When Masterson lost the hammer and became Thunderstrike (as opposed to thor) Cap tossed him around like a rag doll while sparring despite the fact that masterson was still class 70 or so.

What are these numbers am I supposed to know what these numbers are

It's not questionable, because 2099 came outright and said so. It HAS been retconned into an alternate future however, so it's no longer canon. Thats why I said "if you believe it."

Goku wasn't the first of his species to reach super saiyan, because super saiyans were legendary before the series started. He was just the first to hit it in a long time. And again- Steve and BRB are basically tactical geniuses. Goku is an idiot who makes boneheaded moves in order to appear "honorable" and is terrified of his wife. He'd be laughed out of Valhalla, skills or no.

Goku is written as a savant, you might say, but is sold as a genius in the martial arts. Maybe you don't like how that is portrayed, but to dismiss the given bit of storytelling, while valid in principle, is lost to you as a reasonable defense when you said 'It's not questionable, because 2099 came outright and said so.' Well DBZ came right out and said that Goku is the best of the best many times. If we're obligated to take one story's claims at face value, we'll be goddamned well doing the same with the other.

Yes please

But, for reals, Flash beats either of these two scrubs. His only weakness is bad writing.

Isn't that where his (apparent) ungodly power comes from though?

 

[Manmademan]

According to the manga, Goku was the first Super Saiyan, unless you're taking into account a character which Toei animation made up (Bardock, his father) who was later adapted in a short manga short where he became Super Saiyan. Before Goku, it was all a myth and a legend.

How does it become myth and legend if it's never happened before? Clearly, someone in the past reached it, became a legend, and that legend faded into history and obscurity. Its never been expanded on, but this should be obvious.

I can buy Steve being a genius, don't know much about BRB. From what I read he showed up and the only reason Odin recognized him was that he fought Thor equally without powers and gifted his own hammer.

Steve is a legitimate genius- he's mastered every form of combat that exists, and then some. you're close on BRB- but he managed to take the hammer in space BEFORE fighting Thor in that volcano and getting his own. Odin gave him his own hammer instead of taking mjolnir since BRB won their fight.

Goku is a talented, dedicated martial artist and duelist, but you just throw that out the window. You're coming off extremely bias.

There are a LOT of talented martial artists in the MU. Shang Chi. Wolverine. Taskmaster. Iron Fist. Stick. Elektra. Black Panther. These people have mastered hundreds of styles. Some of these are Steve's equal (BP) some are arguably better (Elektra, Iron Fist). None can lift that hammer. It's not about your skill, it's about something a bit harder to define. Since those that have been able to wield it are EXTREMELY rare, i tend to think Goku doesn't qualify, for the same reason Superman doesn't. Personality wise, they're very similar. very honorable, selfless, won't kill, last of their race, etc- but superman can't lift it. He's not a warrior by their standards.

Wonder Woman CAN, however, and this was the woman that broke max lord's neck and killed him when it needed to be done. Wonder woman is not an idiot, and doesn't screw around- goku does. Get it?

 

[J-Tier]

Well duh. I get that, but...well, basically all the EmCee was talking about. Where do they come from? Why can't DF users swim? Why are there so many of the damned things?

The thing with One Piece is...it's so goofy, you throw logic out the window. I mean come on, there's a gun that ate an "Animal-Animal" devil fruit and became a dog-gun-thingy.

A gun, ate a devil fruit.

When you see Luffy eating chunks of meat ten times his size, and Zoro lifting weights with something that's clearly heavier than a whale with one arm, you know the mangaka doesn't want us to think too hard about it. It's just about enjoying what you watch.

 

[bangai-o]

I have never read a flash comic book in my life but if he can go faster than the speed of light and he can steal/slow down his opponent's speed and other such nonsense, then how does crime still even exist?What kind of villains does he face that can impose any sort of credible threat to him (besides gods)?

i have a trade where a bunch of squid monsters attack the city. they posed a pretty decent threat.
here it is.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1401218288/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Hero]

Yes please

But, for reals, Flash beats either of these two scrubs. His only weakness is bad writing.

Actually I forget which thread it was but in one I think a lot of people came to the consensus that Suzumiya Haruhi was basically god and could never be defeated.

As for a serious discussion on comics since you mentioned the writing thing is that's my biggest pet peeve. I would love to a series done by one writer on Spiderman, Batman, etc where they stay consistent within their own rules and laws in the universe and don't resort retconning or making things up just for plots sake.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

All I know about Haki is that it makes people faint sometimes. And it lets Luffy become steel...somehow.

Haki is literally just "willpower" or "ambition."

Color of Observation Haki allows you to sense or "hear" other living things and, with training, predict the attacks of opponents (though obviously being fast enough to dodge them is another story).

Color of Arms Haki hardens the body of the user. They can repel attacks, throw more damaging physical blows, and most importantly, "touch" the bodies of Logia types when they're in an incorporeal form, negating the need to play elemental rock-paper-scissors.

The first two types can be used by any living thing with enough ambition and training. The last is a special kind that is only found in some predisposed people. Color of the Conquering King Haki is a pure manifestation of willpower and ambition. It dominates the wills of weaker people and animals, taming or terrifying foes or even knocking them out from pure fear.

 

[T'Zariah]

Nope. Nappa went SSJ first.

...This is a joke, right?

 

[KidGalactus]

The current version of Superman benchpressed 15 sextillion pounds to get over a woman...
It is hard for me to imagine any comic character beating him up in a contest of strength, but then it is also hard for me to imagine a reason his footsteps don't turn the Earth into a molten ball of iron.

The time for logic has come and gone, my friends.

Only madness remains.

 

[Unknown One]

Watch or rewatch Dragonball. Goku was basically a fighting prodigy and genius.

 

[ReiGun]

The thing with One Piece is...it's so goofy, you throw logic out the window. I mean come on, there's a gun that ate an "Animal-Animal" devil fruit and became a dog-gun-thingy.

A gun, ate a devil fruit.

When you see Luffy eating chunks of meat ten times his size, and Zoro lifting weights with something that's clearly heavier than a whale with one arm, you know the mangaka doesn't want us to think too hard about it. It's just about enjoying what you watch.

I can get jiggy with that. But as much story and lore as the series has, you'd think explaining how the weird fruit that gave the main character his powers would eventually become a story worth telling. lol

Haki is literally just "willpower" or "ambition."

Color of Observation Haki allows you to sense or "hear" other living things and, with training, predict the attacks of opponents (though obviously being fast enough to dodge them is another story).

Color of Arms Haki hardens the body of the user. They can repel attacks, throw more damaging physical blows, and most importantly, "touch" the bodies of Logia types when they're in an incorporeal form, negating the need to play elemental rock-paper-scissors.

The first two types can be used by any living thing with enough ambition and training. The last is a special kind that is only found in some predisposed people. Color of the Conquering King Haki is a pure manifestation of willpower and ambition. It dominates the wills of weaker people and animals, taming or terrifying foes or even knocking them out from pure fear.

Thanks. I really should just read the damn thing in full.

 

[Manmademan]

Watch or rewatch Dragonball. Goku was basically a fighting prodigy and genius.

So are all the martial artists I listed- as I said, pure skill is not enough.

 

[Akainu]

Goku is...not on this level. Goku is skilled, but is an idiot. This is a dude who practically lives in terror of his wife.

What man isn't? But you are trying too hard to bad mouth Goku

 

[KidGalactus]

Watch or rewatch Dragonball. Goku was basically a fighting prodigy and genius.

In the comic it's explained he has the ability to mimic any fighting style he sees even a little bit of perfectly. I don't think they ever explain this in the cartoon, but early on you can see him do it a few times.

 

[Hero]

How does it become myth and legend if it's never happened before? Clearly, someone in the past reached it, became a legend, and that legend faded into history and obscurity. Its never been expanded on, but this should be obvious.

It could've been a prophecy. Do you know that word or should I link you to dictionary.com or Wikipedia?

Steve is a legitimate genius- he's mastered every form of combat that exists, and then some. you're close on BRB- but he managed to take the hammer in space BEFORE fighting Thor in that volcano and getting his own. Odin gave him his own hammer instead of taking mjolnir since BRB won their fight.



There are a LOT of talented martial artists in the MU. Shang Chi. Wolverine. Taskmaster. Iron Fist. Stick. Elektra. Black Panther. These people have mastered hundreds of styles. Some of these are Steve's equal (BP) some are arguably better (Elektra, Iron Fist). None can lift that hammer. It's not about your skill, it's about something a bit harder to define. Since those that have been able to wield it are EXTREMELY rare, i tend to think Goku doesn't qualify, for the same reason Superman doesn't. Personality wise, they're very similar. very honorable, selfless, won't kill, last of their race, etc- but superman can't lift it. He's not a warrior by their standards.

Wonder Woman CAN, however, and this was the woman that broke max lord's neck and killed him when it needed to be done. Wonder woman is not an idiot, and doesn't screw around- goku does. Get it?

I like how you list for Captain America that he's mastered every form of combat like it's a big deal then proceed to go shit on the rest of the MU's martial artists like it's not a big deal. Please be consistent.

 

[Reiko]

...This is a joke, right?

Ask Toei. They colored it.

 

[KidA Seven]

Ask Toei. They colored it.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

About the Super Saiyan thing:

1. Vegeta first says that there was a Super Saiyan a thousand years ago who couldn't control his power, was only capable of maintaining it while transformed (presumably as an Ozaru) and was destroyed by it. I can't remember if this was in the anime or manga, but it was implied that he destroyed the original Saiyan homeworld.

2. The Broly movies (which aren't canon) had Broly attain a state known as the "Legendary Super Saiyan" which was a transformation different than the normal Super Saiyan; he had nearly infinite ki and was almost completely impervious to attack. The only way he could be harmed was by launching him into the Sun.

3. An awful "What If" story written recently by a different author showed Goku's dad going back in time when Planet Vegeta exploded (what), turning into a Super Saiyan, killing one of Frieza's ancestors, and inspiring the legend of the Super Saiyan (at least on Frieza's side). It was a really dumb advertisement tie-in for a trading card set or video game or something,

 

[Manmademan]

It could've been a prophecy. Do you know that word or should I link you to dictionary.com or Wikipedia?

sure, let's throw seeing the future in there. that's much more plausible. Occams razor...do you know what that is, or should I wiki it for you?

like how you list for Captain America that he's mastered every form of combat like it's a big deal then proceed to go shit on the rest of the MU's martial artists like it's not a big deal. Please be consistent.

please show me where pointing out that a character is as good as or better than another is shitting on them? this is nonsense.

 

[Demon Lizardman]

How about this, both characters are so strong, it's ridiculous and it's best if everyone just forgets about them. Seriously, overpowered characters are so boring, they barely have anything to challenge them.

 

[Minion101]

I'm enjoying all this information way more then I should.

 

[ReiGun]

I'm enjoying all this information way more then I should.

Versus threads are fun. Just dudes shooting the shit about anime and comics.

At least, that's how I look at them.

 

[Hellix]

How about this, both characters are so strong, it's ridiculous and it's best if everyone just forgets about them. Seriously, overpowered characters are so boring, they barely have anything to challenge them.

Overpowered villains.

 

[Moaradin]

How about this, both characters are so strong, it's ridiculous and it's best if everyone just forgets about them. Seriously, overpowered characters are so boring, they barely have anything to challenge them.

Goku ain't OP. Dude is bested multiple times and even his son surpassed him. He's only ridiculously strong because he put in the work.

 

[ReiGun]

Overpowered villains.

And Lex Luthor.

He the best.

 

[Laughing Banana]

How about this, both characters are so strong, it's ridiculous and it's best if everyone just forgets about them. Seriously, overpowered characters are so boring, they barely have anything to challenge them.

As far as very powerful characters go, Superman's ridiculousness is just way over the top though. I mean, sneezing an entire solar system away? Ahahahahah.

While I am at it, why is it that it seems like the entire comic industry in the US is just about people with superpowers? Mutants, aliens, magical potions, magical rings, whatever--all of them in the end just converges in one thing: 'superpowers'. It seems that for comics the creativity or perhaps the willpower to make something different is not just there: it is all just superpower this and superpower that and never anything more.

Although I admit I am not a fan of American comic so I don't know its real intricacies or whatever... it just seems that way to me.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

How about this, both characters are so strong, it's ridiculous and it's best if everyone just forgets about them. Seriously, overpowered characters are so boring, they barely have anything to challenge them.

how about no. go read your "relatable" stories, let us have fun with super-powers.

and I'm sure I posted in this thread but since Superman is invulnerable and Goku isn't, is physically stronger, about as fast (probably a bit faster not counting teleportation) and at least pre Nu52 was reasonably well trained in hand to hand, I give the victory to the Last son of Krypton.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

It should also be remembered that Dragon Ball started as a gag manga, and even in its later years Akira Toriyama seemed to spend more effort making sure every single character's name had a corny pun behind it as he did maintaining logical consistency.

 

[ReiGun]

While I am at it, why is it that it seems like the entire comic industry in the US is just about people with superpowers?

This is false. There's tons of comics about regular people.

 

[Manmademan]

This is false. There's tons of comics about regular people.

walking dead might be one of the biggest right now, in fact

 

[Hero]

sure, let's throw seeing the future in there. that's much more plausible. Occams razor...do you know what that is, or should I wiki it for you?

This has everything to do with you making shit up that was never explained in the manga/anime and coming to a conclusion that you state as fact.

please show me where pointing out that a character is as good as or better than another is shitting on them? this is nonsense.

I said that Goku was a master of hand to hand combat. You go "lol that doesn't mean shit" then proceed to list the fact that Captain America has mastered all forms of combat in some bullet point like you're making a Powerpoint Presentation for the guy and why he's worthy of Mjolnir then list other accomplished martial artists in the MU and say "they're good too but not woooooooooooorthy."

You spout off that Captain America is supposedly the best human being ever (lol) and that's why he's eligible for wielding the Mjolnir when I point out that the very same could be said of Goku then you rag on him for stupid shit. You're being ridiculously one-sided here with double standards. Why not just post or link to some comics where it's explained why Odin thinks Captain America is worthy? But you are right, this is nonsense.

It should also be remembered that Dragon Ball started as a gag manga, and even in its later years Akira Toriyama seemed to spend more effort making sure every single character's name had a corny pun behind it as he did maintaining logical consistency.

Yeah well Captain America started out as Pro-American, Anti-Nazi comic propaganda but look where that's taken us. He's the best humankind has to offer.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

As far as very powerful characters go, Superman's ridiculousness is just way over the top though. I mean, sneezing an entire solar system away? Ahahahahah.

While I am at it, why is it that it seems like the entire comic industry in the US is just about people with superpowers? Mutants, aliens, magical potions, magical rings, whatever--all of them in the end just converges in one thing: 'superpowers'. It seems that for comics the creativity or perhaps the willpower to make something different is not just there: it is all just superpower this and superpower that and never anything more.

Although I admit I am not a fan of American comic so I don't know its real intricacies or whatever... it just seems that way to me.

consider the fact that only happened once ONCE in the 1950s and has been retconned completely out of existence and was written at a time when the industry was relatively young, nobody sites it anymore as cannon. so please stop bringing it up. it makes you look ignorant.

 

[T'Zariah]

This is false. There's tons of comics about regular people.

I love how most people think DC/Marvel are the only comic book IPs in America.

 

[Laughing Banana]

This is false. There's tons of comics about regular people.

Hmmm. Like I just said I am not a fan of American comic so admittedly I don't really know about its intricacies and stuff. I don't know, it just appears that way to me.

But you are right, this is nonsense.

A fun nonsense!

Seriously though, that one line being Captain America as the best humanity has to offer made me guffawed.

 

[VitalNerve]

Well duh. I get that, but...well, basically all the EmCee was talking about. Where do they come from? Why can't DF users swim? Why are there so many of the damned things?

As someone stated, the manga/show is just down right goofy, although the it is exteremely enjoyable. The water turns there body to stone essentially, as to why it does that, I really don't know.

 

[ReiGun]

walking dead might be one of the biggest right now, in fact

I was thinking of Scalped myself, which is all about life on an reservation.

Greg Rucka's independent also focuses mostly on "normal" people.

 

[DrBo42]

I love the hurt DBZ fans in here. It's hot garbage. No amount of screaming will save you from a yellow-sun-fueled fist to the face.

 

[Reiko]

I love the hurt DBZ fans in here. It's hot garbage. No amount of screaming will save you from a yellow-sun-fueled fist to the face.

Except Buu turning Superman into candy and eating him.

Magic beats Superman.

 

[DrBo42]

Except Buu turning Superman into candy and eating him.

Magic beats Superman.

I'd accept that.

 

[Moaradin]

Except Buu turning Superman into candy and eating him.

Magic beats Superman.

Can't argue with that logic.