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[evil solrac v3.0]

Except Goku isn't an idiot like you're making him out to be. He might never have had a formal education but he's not a dumbass either.

Also it's important to note that the dub made him seem stupider then the original version so keep that in mind.

Also he's perfectly willing to kill as well. He single handily wiped out the Red rippon army after all. Goku is a warrior in ever sense of the word and I have no doubt he'd be able to wield Thor's hammer.

And lol at some of the feets people are giving the Comic book characters. They almost never operate at those levels. I mean Flash is having trouble with a freaking talking Ape right now and Thor regularly gets his ass kicked by people far far below Goku's level all the time.

if you're talking about Gorilla Grodd let me remind you that he has vast psychic and psionic powers. not even the Flash can outrun a psychic attack.

 

[Stage On]

You would rather that he did nothing, or that he would bask in his fame?



Because the best example of being a saiyan still isn't that good. He saves the planet because its a fight. He says all that I love the planet nonsense, but its the truth. His people were a race of nomadic pirates who pillaged and destroyed everything they came across. Hell, he doesn't even raise his own kids for the most part. How would being a fight addicted nice guy make you worthy of mjolnir?

By Norse standards loving fights is a good thing. Goku like Thor is a warrior born and revels in the thrill of battle for the sheer heck of it.

He'll kill when he needs to but he also doesn't do it senselessly and he also isn't arrogant about his abilities either as he knows his limits well and is always striving to improve them.

He also parties with the best of them when it comes to eating. He'd fit right in at the halls of Valhalla

 

[tafer]

This post perfectly describes what is going on in this thread.

Utter nonsense.

We need Godman to become popular so we don't need these debates ever again.

Dude, If I'm reading correctly some stuff posted here... Godman would be bullied by half the DC universe!

 

[Laughing Banana]

what appears and what it is are not the same. come on, get with it!

Nah, the drawing style of comics never jive with me so heh

 

[Stage On]

if you're talking about Gorilla Grodd let me remind you that he has vast psychic and psionic powers. not even the Flash can outrun a psychic attack.

Lol New 52 Grood isn't the physic power house he used to be.
He's been beating on Flash PHYSICALLY in one of the stupidest stories I've ever read.

 

[Hero]

By Norse standards loving fights is a good thing. Goku like Thor is a warrior born and revels in the thrill of battle for the sheer heck of it.

He'll kill when he needs to but he also doesn't do it senselessly and he also isn't arrogant about his abilities either as he knows his limits well and is always striving to improve them.

He also parties with the best of them when it comes to eating. He'd fit right in at the halls of Valhalla

But he's not American Jesus, dude.

 

[tafer]

Aren't saiyans like some sort of a space viking+spartan on steroids?

 

[Busaiku]

Battle Of The Gods will change everything.

 

[Parallax]

And being the best example of humanity is better exactly how?

Because Steve has done things beyond just engaging in battles. He selflessly steps into unwinnable conflicts with no sense of sense of fear, but because he feels that if he fails, all hope is lost. Goku fights because he enjoys battle. He enjoys the conflict. He's very much like his people in that regard. Gokus only real responsibility is fighting. Not his children, not his wife or friends, but fighting.

 

[water_wendi]

This sounds boring. Interesting would be Superman vs Vegeta or Goku vs Darkseid.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

By Norse standards loving fights is a good thing. Goku like Thor is a warrior born and revels in the thrill of battle for the sheer heck of it.

He'll kill when he needs to but he also doesn't do it senselessly and he also isn't arrogant about his abilities either as he knows his limits well and is always striving to improve them.

He also parties with the best of them when it comes to eating. He'd fit right in at the halls of Valhalla

Seriously, to me he'd be best buds with Thor and they'd go pillage shit together.

 

[Stage On]

But he's not American Jesus, dude.

pft, Kami wanted Goku to replace him and that was before Dragon ball Z even started. The man is essentially buddha

 

[CountBlack]

Kinda wish Goku fused with Vegeta SSJ4.

But it would end with the same result lol

 

[Parallax]

By Norse standards loving fights is a good thing. Goku like Thor is a warrior born and revels in the thrill of battle for the sheer heck of it.

He'll kill when he needs to but he also doesn't do it senselessly and he also isn't arrogant about his abilities either as he knows his limits well and is always striving to improve them.

He also parties with the best of them when it comes to eating. He'd fit right in at the halls of Valhalla

Sure it is, but it doesn't make you worthy to hold mjolnir

 

[SolarPowered]

Or just his home town.

Okay, this is one of the coolest Flash panels I've seen on the net.

 

[Vice]

And being the best example of humanity is better exactly how?

Captain America is the ultimate good guy in the Marvel universe. He's pretty much always shown as the best being in the universe.

 

[Hero]

Because Steve has done things beyond just engaging in battles. He selflessly steps into unwinnable conflicts with no sense of sense of fear, but because he feels that if he fails, all hope is lost. Goku fights because he enjoys battle. He enjoys the conflict. He's very much like his people in that regard. Gokus only real responsibility is fighting. Not his children, not his wife or friends, but fighting.

How does Captain America stepping selflessly into unwinnable conflicts not apply to Goku? Through the whole series he's somehow always the underdog and goes in headfirst anyway. Goku certainly enjoys fighting but you act like he only does it because it's enjoyment for him which is not true. Any time one of the villains is involved it's to defend his planet or help his friends. He doesn't go around picking fights for no reason.

 

[Stage On]

Because Steve has done things beyond just engaging in battles. He selflessly steps into unwinnable conflicts with no sense of sense of fear, but because he feels that if he fails, all hope is lost. Goku fights because he enjoys battle. He enjoys the conflict. He's very much like his people in that regard. Gokus only real responsibility is fighting. Not his children, not his wife or friends, but fighting.

We are talking about the same Goku who selflessly saved the earth and then later the entire universe multiply times against overwhelming odds right?

Yes he enjoys fighting, but not to the point he abandons everything else. The one truly selfish thing he did before the end of the series was spare Piccolo jr and that worked out the best for everyone involved

 

[Laughing Banana]

Because Steve has done things beyond just engaging in battles. He selflessly steps into unwinnable conflicts with no sense of sense of fear, but because he feels that if he fails, all hope is lost. Goku fights because he enjoys battle. He enjoys the conflict. He's very much like his people in that regard. Gokus only real responsibility is fighting. Not his children, not his wife or friends, but fighting.

Wait what? Goku pretty much kills himself at one point to ensure the main bad guy--Cell--is not harming the Earth/his family/friends anymore.

Hell, the main catalyst for his first Super Saiyan transformation was Freeza offing Krillin, his best friend!

 

[Shouta]

Because Steve has done things beyond just engaging in battles. He selflessly steps into unwinnable conflicts with no sense of sense of fear, but because he feels that if he fails, all hope is lost. Goku fights because he enjoys battle. He enjoys the conflict. He's very much like his people in that regard. Gokus only real responsibility is fighting. Not his children, not his wife or friends, but fighting.

Actually, Goku still fights to protect the Earth. A lot of people confuse his enjoyment of the fight with that pretty often. He often chooses to fight where people won't get hurt and other things that point this out. The two reasons often align but it's not his sole motivator.

 

[T'Zariah]

Does SSJ4 Gogeta even hold a candle to Pre-Crisis Supes?

LOL. Hell no. He'd still stomp Gogeta

 

[ajim]

Even after this thread and the other threads on Gaf I seriously still don't think Superman can win.

Goku is just the perfect warrior.

 

[Vice]

How does Captain America stepping selflessly into unwinnable conflicts not apply to Goku? Through the whole series he's somehow always the underdog and goes in headfirst anyway. Goku certainly enjoys fighting but you act like he only does it because it's enjoyment for him which is not true. Any time one of the villains is involved it's to defend his planet or help his friends. He doesn't go around picking fights for no reason.

Captain America's odds are worse. He's stepped up to fight guys who could make galaxies vanish with nothing but his shield and a pocket Constitution. Goku always has a chance of winning. Cap just does it.

 

[Ventilaator]

Also a pretty important thing to note for people not familiar with the Death Battle series is that the fight animation means absolutely nothing. They judge the winner based on the analysis they do, the fight is animated for funsies.

 

[Hero]

Captain America's odds are worse. He's stepped up to fight guys who could make galaxies vanish with nothing but his shield and a pocket Constitution. Goku always has a chance of winning. Cap just does it.

So because his odds are worse makes him a candidate for Mjolnir? Mind you again that Captain already got superhuman abilities through the power of SCIENCE.

Also if you're referring to when he stepped up to Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, I mean, how can I take that seriously? Thanos defeated himself.

 

[Stage On]

Sure it is, but it doesn't make you worthy to hold mjolnir

Goku's life is the stuff bards would sing about in Asgard. Bravery and honor against overwhelming odds, countless fights against demon's and tyrants that would bring Ragnarok.

He's like Thor only less arrogant, I doubt Odin would mind if Goku picked up the hammer.

 

[Shouta]

Also a pretty important thing to note for people not familiar with the Death Battle series is that the fight animation means absolutely nothing. They judge the winner based on the analysis they do, the fight is animated for funsies.

Which is what they say but the flow of the scenario and what happens can change things for example. Additionally, the numbers they used for Goku are pretty flawed as well. It might not be enough to reach Superman but they worked off a really flimsy starting point. I don't really know know what it would be and I'm not sure I could be bothered to try and calculate it though, lol

 

[Parallax]

How does Captain America stepping selflessly into unwinnable conflicts not apply to Goku? Through the whole series he's somehow always the underdog and goes in headfirst anyway. Goku certainly enjoys fighting but you act like he only does it because it's enjoyment for him which is not true. Any time one of the villains is involved it's to defend his planet or help his friends. He doesn't go around picking fights for no reason.

Minus one or two instances, goku is never the underdog. His losses are all luck based. He is evenly matched with most of his opponents, and if he isn't, he pulls out one of his power forms. In the afterlife instead of seeking out loved ones, he enters tournaments. He loves fighting

We are talking about the same Goku who selflessly saved the earth and then later the entire universe multiply times against overwhelming odds right?

Yes he enjoys fighting, but not to the point he abandons everything else. The one truly selfish thing he did before the end of the series was spare Piccolo jr and that worked out the best for everyone involved

When did he save the universe multiple times? And he spent more time training ubuu than he spent time with his youngest son.

 

[Stage On]

Captain America's odds are worse. He's stepped up to fight guys who could make galaxies vanish with nothing but his shield and a pocket Constitution. Goku always has a chance of winning. Cap just does it.

Um..what about his fight with Demon King Piccolo or Freeza pre turning Super saiyan. Goku got absolutely brutally savaged in those fights.

Heck the entire point of him training Gohan to surpase Super Saiyan is because Goku KNEW he couldn't beat Cell and he still fought him anyhow.

 

[bangai-o]

why is Captain America in discussion. isnt he just some guy with a USA Shield? Scott Summers kicks his butt.

 

[Vice]

So because his odds are worse makes him a candidate for Mjolnir? Mind you again that Captain already got superhuman abilities through the power of SCIENCE.

Also if you're referring to when he stepped up to Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, I mean, how can I take that seriously? Thanos defeated himself.

A bit, I can't recall him ever admitting defeat. Goku has that one time where he backed down against Cell against him. Although iirc that's because he wanted Gohan to man up.

He's gone against beings like the Phoenix Force, steps up to omega level mutants, he even fights Thor occasionally.

 

[Finaika]

why is Captain America in discussion. isnt he just some guy with a USA Shield? Scott Summers kicks his butt.

His shield is indestructible.

 

[Stage On]

Minus one or two instances, goku is never the underdog. His losses are all luck based. He is evenly matched with most of his opponents, and if he isn't, he pulls out one of his power forms. In the afterlife instead of seeking out loved ones, he enters tournaments. He loves fighting



When did he save the universe multiple times? And he spent more time training ubuu than he spent time with his youngest son.

*cough* Just a few examples where Goku was the Underdog
Mercenary Tao
Piccolo
Vegeta
Freeza (before turning super saiyan)

Goku saved the universe or at least a very large chunk of it from Freeza. He saved it again from Cell who outright said he was going to go around obliterating all life if they didn't stop him and then again from Buu.

 

[Hero]

Minus one or two instances, goku is never the underdog. His losses are all luck based. He is evenly matched with most of his opponents, and if he isn't, he pulls out one of his power forms. In the afterlife instead of seeking out loved ones, he enters tournaments. He loves fighting.

Already buddy, start listing the instances where Goku isn't the underdog. Because almost every god damn encounter in DBZ ends up with him having to go be hospitalized, put in a healing container or brought back from the dead.

 

[Stage On]

His shield is indestructible.

Are you sure about that?

Although I call bs on that particular example. It made sense when the Beyonder did it in Secret Wars and when Thanos did it in Infinity Gauntlet but Cul was just shouldn't have the juice to do what he did.

 

[Parallax]

*cough* Just a few examples where Goku was the Underdog
Mercenary Tao
Piccolo
Vegeta
Freeza (before turning super saiyan)

Goku saved the universe or at least a very large chunk of it from Freeza. He saved it again from Cell who outright said he was going to go around obliterating all life if they didn't stop him and then again from Buu.

He was the underdog against vegeta? The one where they both physically broken by the end of the battle? I seem to remember goku dominating the majority of that match before oozaru mode

Already buddy, start listing the instances where Goku isn't the underdog. Because almost every god damn encounter in DBZ ends up with him having to go be hospitalized, put in a healing container or brought back from the dead.

Compared to his opponents being physically broken or dead? He wins far more matches than he loses.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Saiyans>Magic

I don't even know. Maybe Kai based fusion makes you more immune to magician? It's the only way I can explain how Gotenks was eaten while Vegitto turned into the universe's strongest jawbreaker.

pretty sure that was entirely anime filler

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

So.. I´ve watched the video at they couldn´t go 2 minutes without nonsense. Around the 2 minute mark where Goku is introduced they say:
- "Goku's life revolves around combat and he cares little for anything else"
What the shit? The fact that he keeps fighting against the odds is because he cares a lot about everything else, it's his drive! You saw that in the Saiyan saga and in the Frieza saga where he was drowned by Frieza and went full Kaio-Ken on Frieza's ass, and afterwards he became Super-Saiyan. Not because he loves to fight, but because everything he knew and loved would be destroyed if he failed.

But aside from that, after watching the video and seeing supermans capabilities, he would own Goku. But, Goku's max potential is always reached when there is danger. Supermans max potential is just there, Goku's isn't. Funny that they said that Superman is as strong as they need him to be, because that's exactly Goku's case. In the Deatch Battle, Goku was casually fighting Superman, no threat, nothing. Imagine if Superman was an evil beeing, out to destroy the universe. The battle would have ended differently because Goku's drive would have been different. Goku has always overcome his limits when he was battling against the odds. If SSJ4 wouldn't cut it, he might have been able to go beyond.

 

[Clay Davis]

sorry to go off topic, but does anyone know if the guy who made the hulk vs superman clips intends to finish them?

http://www.youtube.com/user/mhabjan?feature=watch

they were brilliant. would love to see more with different characters.

 

[Laughing Banana]

One thing's for sure, Goku is like 1.000.000 times cooler looking than Superman. I mean, the latter still thinks that wearing an underwear outside as part of his costume is still cool, like come on.

 

[Parallax]

One thing's for sure, Goku is like 1.000.000 times cooler looking than Superman. I mean, the latter still thinks that wearing an underwear outside as part of his costume is still cool, I mean come on.

They're both wearing pajamas. Thats one thing they both take the L on

 

[Hero]

He was the underdog against vegeta? The one where they both physically broken by the end of the battle? I seem to remember goku dominating the majority of that match before oozaru mode



Compared to his opponents being physically broken or dead? He wins far more matches than he loses.

Dude, I'm not asking about his win record. I'm asking you to list specifically the times where Goku wasn't the underdog.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

Dude, I'm not asking about his win record. I'm asking you to list specifically the times where Goku wasn't the underdog.

Goku vs. Ledgic Although in my opinion, they completely fucked up a Super Saiyan. Goku shouldn't even have to go SSJ to defeat that weakling Ledgic. SSJ's became a joke in GT

 

[zoukka]

His shield is indestructible.

So you can kill him with his own shield basically.

 

[Parallax]

Dude, I'm not asking about his win record. I'm asking you to list specifically the times where Goku wasn't the underdog.

I'm sure there's a wiki with all the answers you seek in it, Cuz I'm sure as hell not about list them off

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

I'm sure there's a wiki with all the answers you seek in it, Cuz I'm sure as hell not about list them off

Major Dragonball encounters since Z, movies excluded (he was underdog in all movies):

Goku vs. Raditz - Underdog
Goku vs. Vegeta - Underdog
Goku vs. Ginyu Force - Not underdog
Goku vs. Freeza - Underdog
Goku vs. Androids - Not an underdog, but Heart disease
Goku vs. Cell - Underdog
Goku vs. Buu forms - Underdog
Goku vs. Baby - Underdog
Goku vs. (Omega) Shenron - Underdog

 

[Chinner]

Superman is so stupid.

Ohhh, he can move the Earf and stop a wormhole, plus he can breathe in space, water, and he farts out black holes.

Was any thought put into him?

very little. A creatively bankrupt character that has been capitalising on children's imagination for over 50 years only because they (the children) have little to no standards of good story telling.

goku is a flying turd also, but slightly more interesting.

 

[Feature]

If I draw a lame comic where Goku destroys superman even pre-crisis, does that make it possible because people are just posting pictures of comics. Dragonball Z didn't have the 'luxury' of having written a billion ridiculous (read awful) comics about it like superman.

Only thing that should count is movies / cartoons and Goku would destroy super 50 times over when he's full power. The more he gets beaten, the stronger he gets and superman is a fucking pussy.

 

[Reuenthal]

Superman beats him
Then Gohan comes and kills Superman
And they ressurect Goku with dragonballs

 

[Hero]

I'm sure there's a wiki with all the answers you seek in it, Cuz I'm sure as hell not about list them off

No, I know the answer already but you clearly don't because you're saying stupid shit.