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Huge half hour analysis with the final battle. I'm about to watch it now.

http://www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-goku-vs-superman

EDIT:
Here are the rules of Death Battle:
-Combattants must posess knowledge of each other only if such is canon to each fighter's universe.

-The battle must end with a death For fairness, any personality restraints from killing are removed.

-All other character traits, tactics and attributes, are not removed and are attempted to be represented faithfully.

 

[T'Zariah]

Again. The outcome of this match depends ENTIRELY on which version of Superman Goku fights.

If it's Pre-Crisis, Goku gets rapestomped hard. Post-Crisis, Goku takes it.

 

[dark_chris]

Again. The outcome of this match depends on which version of Superman Goku fights.

This.

 

[shinobi602]

Again. The outcome of this match depends ENTIRELY on which version of Superman Goku fights.

If it's Pre-Crisis, Goku gets rapestomped hard. Post-Crisis, Goku takes it.

And which version of Goku?

 

[Medalion]

lol which version

Sure, you could create a version that can't be stopped, why not

 

[Metalmurphy]

Again. The outcome of this match depends ENTIRELY on which version of Superman Goku fights.

If it's Pre-Crisis, Goku gets rapestomped hard. Post-Crisis, Goku takes it.

They mention this in the video. It's post.

 

[genjiZERO]

Goku wins. That's the rule. So Goku wins. Perfect logic.

 

[bangai-o]

i didnt know Superman could turn invisible.

 

[Slayven]

Fail, they mention T-Vo. No serious comicboard battler mentions that shit.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Gurren Lagann vs the rest of the universe next!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I once got in a debate about this particular topic. Once. This was the argument I made:

I don't think I could actually talk to a person who said, out loud, in front of me, "Goku could beat up Superman."

Like, I would have to leave the immediate vicinity. Not because of rage, or anger. Just because I don't think that's a being I am ever going to be able to communicate with. I'd have an easier time understanding the monolith from 2001 than I could someone who would utter that sentence out loud in front of other people.

It's like someone walking into a restaurant. Not even a 5-star restaurant. It could be a Bennigans or a Applebee's. But he comes into the restaurant, and there is a ring of feces around his face. Like a salad-tossing clown. Obviously, he has been eating copious amounts of all manner of turdage. And he announces, while you are enjoying your awesome blossom, or your basket of bottomless fries, that your concept of food is fucking stupid and lame.

How do you even attempt to argue the alternative with someone who so thoroughly misunderstands food that he willingly sucks turd-cutter like a fat kid, vampirically draining the frosting from the center of a twinkie?

"Goku could beat up Superman!"

How did you even get past the doorman with all that shit on your lips?

 

[Medalion]

I was waiting for Golden Superman to show up as his "Final Form"
but he stayed in his regular form while fighting Goku's Super Saiyan 4 form, that's just whacky

 

[ReiGun]

I was waiting for Golden Superman to show up as his "Final Form"
but he stayed in his regular form while fighting Goku's Super Saiyan 4 form, that's just whacky

Golden Superman needs thousands of years in the sun. Goku would be dead by time he got out.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

These guys are not fucking around:

And that is just a tiny taste.

 

[Manmademan]

Golden Superman needs thousands of years in the sun. Goku would be dead by time he got out.

yeah, but regular post crisis can dip himself in the sun and wildly amp his powers in a much shorter time frame.

not quite "golden" superman, but probably too much for Goku to deal with.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

These guys are not fucking around:

And that is just a tiny taste.

dat forumla

 

[MisterHero]

Nothing that was ever thought up by man has anything on Thought Robot Superman

He saved all of fiction, damn it!

He's looking at us right now!!

Golden Superman needs thousands of years in the sun. Goku would be dead by time he got out.

Prime Superman can time travel, dimension travel, and bring whole planets back to life. Present Superman can go into the sun and Prime Superman can reappear in his spot.

In Superman/Fantastic Four, regular ass Superman willed himself into the Marvel Universe.

 

[Slayven]

Gurren Lagann vs the rest of the universe next!

Shame they get taken out by a giant naked man

 

[tha_devil]

Goku can just do instant tranportation to get some kryptonite and fuck superman up? right?!

 

[Medalion]

But everyone knows Batman beats everybody... there is nothing he cannot pull out with enough prep time...NOTHING

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

dat forumla

What's funny is that after all the formulas, they say fuck the numbers, Superman is limitless.

 

[params7]

Precrisis Superman = Anime Goku > Post-Crisis Supes > Original manga Goku > DCAU Supes.

In the anime, by Buu saga, Vegitto and Buuhan are dimension/universe levelers (episode 276 - Rip In The Universe).

Also, In DBZ the 'fight' speed is much different than combat 'flight' speed. Fight speed proportionately raises with your power level while your 'flight' speed mostly remains stagnant. Goku surpassed lightning's speed as a kid training with Popo, all in his 'fight' speed/reflexes. Lot of things I don't agree with in that video but overall what makes Goku just a better character overall, is the struggle he faces and overcomes with training and determination. Superman has to just stand there in the sun. Goku is Batman-like struggle fused into Superman in that regard.

 

[ReiGun]

But everyone knows Batman beats everybody... there is nothing he cannot pull out with enough prep time...NOTHING

Please. He couldn't even beat Spider-Man.

But then, who can? Spidey is, after all, AMAZING.

 

[revolverjgw]

But everyone knows Batman beats everybody... there is nothing he cannot pull out with enough prep time...NOTHING

Batman probably orchestrates this fight from the safety of the Batcave. Two birds with one stone.

 

[Moaradin]

That was entertaining. Gonna go watch the other Death Battle videos. None of them seem as crazy as the Goku and Superman one though.

 

[Manmademan]

Gurren Lagann vs the rest of the universe next!

we already had this GAF debate somewhere. Gurren Lagann isn't even on the radar of the high end marvel and DC cosmic forces.

 

[Madao]

i don't know much about Superman beyond the hollywood movies but for Goku to struggle against him, he must be packing some really serious power and power increases across his series.
after all, Goku had the power to destroy a planet way before going super saiyan and that kind of power level was shit at the end of the DB series.

 

[zero_suit]

we already had this GAF debate somewhere. Gurren Lagann isn't even on the radar of the high end marvel and DC cosmic forces.

Very few things are.

 

[bangai-o]

Goku can just do instant tranportation to get some kryptonite and fuck superman up? right?!

Vegeta and Krillin were watching TV when they learned about Superman. You would consider that Krillin would go to Kami-house to ask where they can get some Kryptonite, while Vegeta goes to interfere with the fight by whopping Goku on the back of his head out cold, so HE can fight Superman. thus giving Krillin enough time to get some Kryptnite.

 

[Az987]

Phew. Glad that's settled now I can get on with my life.

 

[Madao]

Goku can just do instant tranportation to get some kryptonite and fuck superman up? right?!

that won't work unless someone is where the kryptonite is. Goku's teleportation requires him to feel someone's ki.
now if he had the Supreme Kaio's teleportation, he could do that.

 

[Manmademan]

i don't know much about Superman beyond the hollywood movies but for Goku to struggle against him, he must be packing some really serious power and power increases across his series.
after all, Goku had the power to destroy a planet way before going super saiyan and that kind of power level was shit at the end of the DB series.

The movies don't really give an accurate representation of what superman can do, no.

Pre-Crisis superman would mercilessly beat the hell out of goku, and it wouldn't be close.
Even POST crisis is an absolute monster- an enraged, mind controlled superman punched wonder woman from the sun back to earth in a single hit in a matter of seconds.

 

[TUSR]

But Gohan is stronger

 

[T'Zariah]

Precrisis Superman = Anime Goku > Post-Crisis Supes > Original manga Goku > DCAU Supes.

In the anime, by Buu saga, Vegitto and Buuhan are dimension/universe levelers (episode 276 - Rip In The Universe).

Also, In DBZ the 'fight' speed is much different than combat 'flight' speed. Fight speed proportionately raises with your power level while your 'flight' speed mostly remains stagnant. Goku surpassed lightning's speed as a kid training with Popo, all in his 'fight' speed/reflexes. Lot of things I don't agree with in that video but overall what makes Goku just a better character overall, is the struggle he faces and overcomes with training and determination. Superman has to just stand there in the sun. Goku is Batman-like struggle fused into Superman in that regard.

WTF is this shit? Goku, based on feats alone, is only Multi-Planet level.

Sure if you powerscale, then yeah, you can say that he could probabaly Star-System bust or even Quadrant bust. But if you're doing an actual debate, well, Goku comes up short by a LOT.

Superman is MASSIVELY FTL in speed. Goku would be blitzed to hell and back probably before a single neuron even goes off in his head to indicate he's about to fight one of the most OP fictional characters ever.

 

[MisterHero]

Post-GT Goku with the essence of the Dragon Balls might stand a chance. However, even GT proposed that the wish-granting powers of Dragon Balls are limited.

 

[Manmademan]

But Gohan is stronger

Goku gets to fight The Flash instead

Superman is MASSIVELY FTL in speed. Goku would be blitzed to hell and back probably before a single neuron even goes off in his head to indicate he's about to fight one of the most OP fictional characters ever.

This isn't entirely true. The flash is faster than superman is, but going faster than light speed will send flash off into the speed force- so he's usually said to be close to but not actually PAST light speed. Of course, there are a bazillion actual feats of both superman and the flash traveling at what HAS to be many many times the speed of light. I try not to think too hard about the math when things like this happen.

 

[Madao]

The movies don't really give an accurate representation of what superman can do, no.

Pre-Crisis superman would mercilessly beat the hell out of goku, and it wouldn't be close.
Even POST crisis is an absolute monster- an enraged, mind controlled superman punched wonder woman from the sun back to earth in a single hit in a matter of seconds.

that sounds pretty insane.

the superman hollywood movies sound like the equivalent of someone doing a movie of kid Goku at the very start of DB and not taking into account what comes later.

 

[Finaika]

Does Goku have a weakness?

 

[Moaradin]

Does Goku have a weakness?

His kindness. He's been tricked by villains so many times. Would Superman take advantage of that? I don't know. I'm not familiar with Superman these days.

 

[Iamwolfthing]

It has to be Goku. No question.

 

[SmithnCo]

This is hilariously dumb. The explanations at the end, hahaha.

 

[MisterHero]

Does Goku have a weakness?

Does moon+tail=Oozaru mode count?

 

[Kusagari]

Precrisis Superman = Anime Goku > Post-Crisis Supes > Original manga Goku > DCAU Supes.

In the anime, by Buu saga, Vegitto and Buuhan are dimension/universe levelers (episode 276 - Rip In The Universe).

Also, In DBZ the 'fight' speed is much different than combat 'flight' speed. Fight speed proportionately raises with your power level while your 'flight' speed mostly remains stagnant. Goku surpassed lightning's speed as a kid training with Popo, all in his 'fight' speed/reflexes. Lot of things I don't agree with in that video but overall what makes Goku just a better character overall, is the struggle he faces and overcomes with training and determination. Superman has to just stand there in the sun. Goku is Batman-like struggle fused into Superman in that regard.

Ripping a hole through a dimension =/ destroying a dimension.

 

[T'Zariah]

that sounds pretty insane.

the superman hollywood movies sound like the equivalent of someone doing a movie of kid Goku at the very start of DB and not taking into account what comes later.

Here's the thing: If Movie audiences saw on the big screen what Superman in the comics does on a daily bases they'd laugh and not take it seriously at all.

Which is why Live-Action adaptations of comic books are hilariously toned down.

 

[Minion101]

relevant art

 

[Xilium]

Does Goku have a weakness?

Himself. Goku is always looking for a greater challenge and is willing to allow his enemies time to power up or make preparations.

 

[OnPoint]

I love these threads.

 

[zero_suit]

Ripping a hole through a dimension =/ destroying a dimension.

Exactly

 

[params7]

WTF is this shit? Goku, based on feats alone, is only Multi-Planet level.

Nope, not in the anime I watched. Roshi was able to blow up the moon at 150 powerlevel max.

By 25,000 Vegeta's attack would have blown up earth which Goku equaled with a kamehameha.

By Freeza saga, before SSJ pretty much every major player is Multi-planet buster. Case in point - A near dead, cut-up in half Freeza who barely had energy to talk, took Namek's explosion to face and still survived. Just to hurt him you'd have to be way above planet busting.

Superman is MASSIVELY FTL in speed.

We know speed and strength increases with ki in proportion in DBZ. If you have a higher powerlevel, you are faster. This is fact. Except in very special circumstances like USSJ where it is clearly pointed out.

Goku at below 500 powerlevel was faster than lightning's speed. By end of DBZ, we don't know exactly, but he's at comfortably a billion+ level.

We aren't armed with exact numbers here, which Supes has given he has had shittons of writers, unlimited comics and data (with fluctuating feats as well), but there's no way Goku isn't 'way' above FTL either, in pure combat speed.

 

[Manmademan]

Does Goku have a weakness?

Well, Goku's weakness (as the video points out) is that he tends to have resistance and a set power level which he has to train pretty hard to surpass once he hits it. so his cycle is level up > train > level up > train ad nauseum.

Superman really doesn't- he's always been as strong as the situation calls for. In the rare cases where he just isn't strong enough, it's just a matter of absorbing more solar energy which can be done in a matter of minutes.

Nope, not in the anime I watched. Roshi was able to blow up the moon at 150 powerlevel max.

By 25,000 Vegeta's attack would have blown up earth which Goku equaled with a kamehameha.

By Freeza saga, before SSJ pretty much every major player is Multi-planet buster. Case in point - A near dead, cut-up in half Freeza who barely had energy to talk, took Namek's explosion to face and still survived. Just to hurt him you'd have to be way above planet busting.

Comics usually separate resistance to energy attacks and resistance to physical assault in different categories. Characters which can take blasts that would level a mountain or a moon can be laid out by far weaker physical attacks, and vice versa.
That being said, superman's resistance to energy attacks is VERY, VERY high. He does take baths in the middle of the sun, after all.