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Goku Vs. Superman - Settled Once and For All

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FatboyRoberts said:
I once got in a debate about this particular topic. Once. This was the argument I made:

I don't think I could actually talk to a person who said, out loud, in front of me, "Goku could beat up Superman."

Like, I would have to leave the immediate vicinity. Not because of rage, or anger. Just because I don't think that's a being I am ever going to be able to communicate with. I'd have an easier time understanding the monolith from 2001 than I could someone who would utter that sentence out loud in front of other people.

It's like someone walking into a restaurant. Not even a 5-star restaurant. It could be a Bennigans or a Applebee's. But he comes into the restaurant, and there is a ring of feces around his face. Like a salad-tossing clown. Obviously, he has been eating copious amounts of all manner of turdage. And he announces, while you are enjoying your awesome blossom, or your basket of bottomless fries, that your concept of food is fucking stupid and lame.

How do you even attempt to argue the alternative with someone who so thoroughly misunderstands food that he willingly sucks turd-cutter like a fat kid, vampirically draining the frosting from the center of a twinkie?

"Goku could beat up Superman!"

How did you even get past the doorman with all that shit on your lips?
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I'm crying. lol
 
I watched the first half, Superman has to be the lamest superhero ever. He was given every single super power and can blow up solar systems.... Go batman!
 
arts&crafts said:
I watched the first half, Superman has to be the lamest superhero ever. He was given every single super power and can blow up solar systems.... Go batman!
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no, that's the surfer. or maybe a green lantern. Superman isn't even the strongest member of the Justice League. It's the Flash.
 
Saiyans are stated to have no upper limit to their power potential.

But then again Superman also has scores of writers with lack of imaginations throwing up powers upon powers upon powers to him just because.

So uh.... a draw...?
 
Moaradin said:
Is Flash legitimately stronger than Superman?
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The flash's mass (and thus strength) go up in proportion to his speed. At top speed (which is technically light speed, but again his feats are faster than this) his mass is infinite.

yes, infinite. the flash casually throws out hits with the force of entire stars behind them.

he also controls speed, so no matter how fast goku thinks he is, the flash can slow him down to a standstill- or vibrate himself through him so goku explodes immediately.

The Flash cannot be fucked with. His only true rogue is bad comic book writers.
 
Manmademan said:
The flash's mass (and thus strength) go up in proportion to his speed. At top speed (which is technically light speed, but again his feats are faster than this) his mass is infinite.

yes, infinite. the flash casually throws out hits with the force of entire stars behind them.

he also controls speed, so no matter how fast goku thinks he is, the flash can slow him down to a standstill- or vibrate himself through you so you explode immediately.

the Flash cannot be fucked with.
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Haha, that's ridiculous.
 
params7 said:
Yama commented those rips would have destroyed the universe, and the afterlife dimension as well in that same episode (or the one after, don't remember exactly).
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There is no reason to believe random statements from characters in DBZ. They're the kings of hyperbole. If it wasn't shown then it doesn't count for anything.
 
Superman is more invincible. I mean, they're both invincible, but Superman's never really "died." Unless you count Doomsday - he's not the sort of character you can kill. Superman's story always ends with him retired or God. But Goku dies all the time, it's a goddamn revolving door.

I don't like the citations of one-off bullshit, though... I mean, yeah, Superman's pulled the Earth around and used an Infinite Mass Punch, but that's not ICONIC Superman levels. Same with using Super Saiyan 4 Goku - keep it to Z, y'know?
 
Pft, we all know who's the real winner:

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Moaradin said:
Well, uh, that's crazy. The Flash has always been my favorite Justice League character, but I didn't know all that.
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It's really only the tip of the iceberg. There are a handful of (non godlike) characters that could legitimately kill him, but its a REALLY short list.
 
Manmademan said:
we already had this GAF debate somewhere. Gurren Lagann isn't even on the radar of the high end marvel and DC cosmic forces.
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pfffff... please...
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ep.26 minute 4:06 proves otherwise... not to talk about everything that comes after that.

Also Goku can easily beat up Superman... he just doesn't want to... it's even explained in the video.
 
tha_devil said:
Goku can just do instant tranportation to get some kryptonite and fuck superman up? right?!
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why the FUCK would goku do that? that's not in his characer.

Furthermore, he doesn't even know of its existence.

I don't like it, but I can't deny that Superman > Goku.

EDIT: I hate death battle, but they did a great job on this one.
 
Superman is so stupid.

Ohhh, he can move the Earf and stop a wormhole, plus he can breathe in space, water, and he farts out black holes.

Was any thought put into him?
 
Mikey Jr. said:
Superman is so stupid.

Ohhh, he can move the Earf and stop a wormhole, plus he can breathe in space, water, and he farts out black holes.

Was any though put into him?
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I always found amusing how an Invincible all powerful alien had problems with a regular bald human.
 
LeleSocho said:
pfffff... please...
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann ep.26 minute 4:06 proves otherwise... not to talk about everything that comes after that.

Also Goku can easily beat up Superman... he just doesn't want to... it's even explained in the video.
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like I said, we already had this discussion. High end marvel and DC cosmic forces are out of it's league. Even total scrubs like Roma have the means to completely obliterate an entire universe.

Galactus (who is mid to high end) via the ultimate nullifier wiped out thousands to tens of thousands of universes in an instant, then reconstructed them.

The high end ones (like the living tribunal above- the naked yellow thing) are abstract concepts that cannot be destroyed, and the LT himself has held a universe in each palm while casually deciding which one to eliminate.

And these aren't even "creator" level. they're just obscenely powerful cosmic forces.

Tell me more, I'm fascinated by this Flash talk.
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I'd be here all day. just google some of his feats. wikipedia gives a good basic overview (don't forget to look up "the speed force") and places like CBR have good scans of some of his more out there feats. The Flash is one of those characters that's so ridiculously overpowered that writers need to intentionally ignore the lion's share of what he can do- otherwise there would be no crime anywhere ever.
 
The animator of the battle is awesome. Apparently he's trying to make a new kind of animation software.

Anyways, here's his video of Link vs. Cloud Strife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBDOCnWorIk

jph139 said:
Superman is more invincible. I mean, they're both invincible, but Superman's never really "died." Unless you count Doomsday - he's not the sort of character you can kill. Superman's story always ends with him retired or God. But Goku dies all the time, it's a goddamn revolving door.

I don't like the citations of one-off bullshit, though... I mean, yeah, Superman's pulled the Earth around and used an Infinite Mass Punch, but that's not ICONIC Superman levels. Same with using Super Saiyan 4 Goku - keep it to Z, y'know?
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Superman did die temporarily. His spirit came back after Jonathan Kent died and found him.
 
I give it to Goku. Both of them have stupid amounts of strength and speed that can't really be calculated (though ScrewAttack did try), but Superman's way of fighting is so basic compared to Goku's.
 
I been trying to get out of this life. But the old moves keep coming back, the scars ache and the knowledge floats to the forefront of my mind.
 
Mikey Jr. said:
Superman is so stupid.

Ohhh, he can move the Earf and stop a wormhole, plus he can breathe in space, water, and he farts out black holes.

Was any thought put into him?
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The character was created during the Great Depression as a s symbol for the every-man. He was beating up mine-owners who were mistreating their workers and husbands who were physically abusing their wives. He was a social crusader in every sense of the phrase, and was a voice for the little-guy. His was also a symbol for every immigrant who came to the United States looking to start a new life and try to become a part of American culture.

So, yes, plenty of thought was put into him. Blame the 70's and on for turning him into a demi-God.
 
ReiGun said:
75 years worth of thought, yeah. There are plenty of great Superman stories out there.
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Absolutely. Superman gets a bad rap because non comic fans think he's totally invincible with unlimited power (which would be boring) and that's really not the case.
 
What's crazy is that even as strong as the Flash and Supes are...the Top Tiers and some of the Higher Tiers would stomp them out of oblivion.

Franklin Richards would solo the Justice League and the DBZ verse with ridiculous ease.
 
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