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So, Google locking down the cheap <200$ tablet market, Apple has the 500$ and higher market on lockdown, and Microsoft is gunning for the 1000$+ tablet market with their Surface Pro.

Interesting times. Glad the competition is finally there, Apple needs to step up their game even more.
 
I basically feel like this was a good presentation.

1. Jelly Bean bringing some great improvements. An emphasis on UI smoothness is a big deal, and I'm so glad Google takes typography and design seriously now because everything they showed today looks very beautiful.

2. Nexus 7 is a pretty great looking product. The Kindle Fire, to me, was a real let-down. This is the first 7 inch tablet that really looks good enough to be worth buying. The content store credit idea is a great one, too. I'd definitely buy one of these.

3. The Q looks like a misfire. I think the market in set-top devices is making them smaller and cheaper, not larger or more powerful. I don't see anyone going for this over an AppleTV or a Roku/Boxee.

4. Google+, I still feel like they're being disingenuous about activity stats. I agree that 50% of Google+ users sign in every day, but only on the basis that all Google accounts are Google+ accounts now. The tablet applications looks very nice, The Verge commentary compared it to Tumblr and I agree it feels like they've taken some cues.

5. The Glass demo was terrible. I really think wearable tech glasses will change the world, I think it has amazing potential. I'm glad Google are the ones to launch it too, because a shittier company could launch it and it'd suck. The glasses look lightweight and wearable. But demoing it with "lol it's a camera mounted to your head record your life" is just an embarrassing lack of ambition. Nothing demoed actually sold this as anything other than an obnoxious omnipresent head mounted social networking camera.

Let's see real-life ad-blocking. Let's see instant histories of the people you look at--even criminal record cross-checks. Let's see automatic price comparison when shopping. Let's see recipes on the HUD. I live a boring life, so I don't pretend I can come up with great stuff to do, but anything is better than "lol he skydived wearing a video camera, but the video camera is a set of glasses".

The pricepoint is pretty irrelevant since it's obviously a few years from actually being usable as a commercial, interesting product for normal people.

jokkir said:
Should Jellybean get a new thread? I mean, iOS 6 got one
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You're welcome to make a new thread if you'd like. The iOS6 thread basically superceded the previously existing iPhone thread, but we didn't lock either. Cheers.
 
numble said:
Should YouTube and Android not be discussed since they're under 10% of Google profits?
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To be fair, Youtube and Android haven't really done much for Google. In fact, Youtube IIRC actually eats profits. So yes, I wouldn't say Youtube nor Android have done wonders for Google. At least not yet.
 
The "What's New in Android" talk happening right now makes it seem like gestures are supported system-wide.
 
Hoo-doo said:
So, Google locking down the cheap <200$ tablet market, Apple has the 500$ and higher market on lockdown, and Microsoft is gunning for the 1000$+ tablet market with their Surface Pro.

Interesting times. Glad the competition is finally there, Apple needs to step up their game even more.
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There is a 1000$+ tablet market?
 
Media Codec API in Jelly Bean, seems like that guy ITT complaining about audio stuff might not be able to complain anymore.
 
Someone else can make the Jellybean thread. I have a feeling I'm going to take forever with it >__> Don't mind if someone gets it up before me
 
I just pre-ordered a 16GB Nexus 7. £208.99 in the UK with shipping and it includes the free content and a £15 Google Play voucher. I'm a bit miffed at having to pay £40 for 8GB extra flash memory, but still, I think overall it's a good price.
 
Stumpokapow said:
4. Google+, I still feel like they're being disingenuous about activity stats. I agree that 50% of Google+ users sign in every day, but only on the basis that all Google accounts are Google+ accounts now. The tablet applications looks very nice, The Verge commentary compared it to Tumblr and I agree it feels like they've taken some cues.
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i dont think they are being disingenuous, i think many people are trying to make a direct comparison that really has little basis in Google's reality. Would Google love for more people to post actively on the stream side? Sure, but thats not the main focus. G+ is more then "facebook", and its pretty clear that it is based on how Google is using it. G+ is an extension of their search engine, so any time you use a google product while logged in, you are what they care about.
 
AndyD said:
My impression was that its not like Siri, in the sense that it auto prepares info, so you don't have to ask for it. Like an app full of intelligently relevant info based on your past behavior and time and location.



How is it different from the previous option of pre-caching maps?



Google+ improvements is one thing.
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It's easier. Prior to this, you had to enable it via settings, long press an area, then select "pe-cache map" from the list of option. From there, you were limited to (if I recall correctly), a 10 sq mile. You had no control over the size of the tile and were limited to 10 tiles.

I haven't tested the limits for today's update, but offline mode is immediately accessible in the settings menu with the addition of having controllable tile sizes. The first tile I've been able to make so far is around 86MB:

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And covers a distance of approximately 70 sq. miles.
 
Who was it that was poopooing the "leaked" photos of the N7 yesterday? Acting all high and mighty saying there was no way the tablet looks like that. EAT YOUR CROW
 
gcubed said:
i dont think they are being disingenuous, i think many people are trying to make a direct comparison that really has little basis in Google's reality. Would Google love for more people to post actively on the stream side? Sure, but thats not the main focus. G+ is more then "facebook", and its pretty clear that it is based on how Google is using it. G+ is an extension of their search engine, so any time you use a google product while logged in, you are what they care about.
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I absolutely think if you look at it that way, it's true.

But this is a developer focused conference, and so I think it's disingenuous to say that these numbers specifically related to "Google+" when they mean "all Google account services, including ones that have nothing to do with the original Google+ social service / stream thing, and also most of these accounts won't touch the applications you're developing so might as well just stick with Facebook from that side of things".
 
SirChained said:
This sounds like a horrible idea, though. Way too personal. Unfortunately it will one day become reality.
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But they're releasing a product built around an augmented reality world experience. If you don't like it, awesome. I can see why many people wouldn't. Many people don't like the way smartphones have transformed our world and they have a pretty compelling case to make against them.

But if you're going to wear a smartphone on your head as glasses with intelligent image processing, let's take it to the logical conclusion.
 
I'm actually really liking the new YouTube app GUI. It gives you a much nicer way to get to and jump between different subscriptions. Before, to get to an individual one, you had to go to the Account tab, touch Subscriptions, and then select the one you wanted to browse. Now you just slide the video flow away to the right, and a list of your subscriptions are right there.
 
Hoo-doo said:
So, Google locking down the cheap <200$ tablet market, Apple has the 500$ and higher market on lockdown, and Microsoft is gunning for the 1000$+ tablet market with their Surface Pro.

Interesting times. Glad the competition is finally there, Apple needs to step up their game even more.
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Nah, and Asus has Apple beat with Nexus7 and Transformer Infinity.
 
Stumpokapow said:
I absolutely think if you look at it that way, it's true.

But this is a developer focused conference, and so I think it's disingenuous to say that these numbers specifically related to "Google+" when they mean "all Google account services, including ones that have nothing to do with the original Google+ social service / stream thing, and also most of these accounts won't touch the applications you're developing so might as well just stick with Facebook from that side of things".
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Its basically their search engine personalized. Its a local engine, a review engine, an activity engine. Everything you do on a Google service is tied into Google+ now... i would imagine there are more possibilities to integrating into a users google activity for developers then a pure social stream like facebook. I have no idea what those possibilities are though, i have no creativity.
 
Will N7 have an HDMI-out via MHL?

If so then that's just another thing that this has over my touchpad (which I paid $90 for but w/e).

A lot is adding up here:

Better screen, better performance, Tegra 3 (to take advantage of those games that use it), better battery life, built-in GPS, Android JB w/ direct updates from Google).
 
Rocket Scientist said:
Sit down, have a drink, you might be suffering from dehydration.
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In terms of profits, he's at least partially right.. or as right as anybody. Google is very secretive about the economic impact of YouTube, most likely because it's a major loss leader. That said, they are mining an incredible amount of content and information from YouTube, so depending on how they turn around and spin that into revenues for their other products...

But, like, if you Silo'd YouTube, it'd be a major cost for Google.
 
SirChained said:
To be fair, Youtube and Android haven't really done much for Google. In fact, Youtube IIRC actually eats profits. So yes, I wouldn't say Youtube nor Android have done wonders for Google. At least not yet.
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YouTube has been profitable for almost a year.

claviertekky said:
Is Google Chrome OS dead, too?

The keynote mentioned nothing about the Chromebooks and Chrometops.
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Tomorrow is the Chrome keynote.
 
gcubed said:
the best part of jelly bean that will go under-reported is the app encryption and the diff-only updating.
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How will that work? They said something about a device-specific key. That doesn't mean that an app can only be installed on one device, and then never on another, right? Because that would suck.

Andrex said:
Media Codec API in Jelly Bean, seems like that guy ITT complaining about audio stuff might not be able to complain anymore.
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And this...? Does it mean that you could install a codec pack on your phone, and then any app could play the formats supported? That would be nice.

3pheMeraLmiX said:
It's easier. Prior to this, you had to enable it via settings, long press an area, then select "pe-cache map" from the list of option. From there, you were limited to (if I recall correctly), a 10 sq mile. You had no control over the size of the tile and were limited to 10 tiles.

I haven't tested the limits for today's update, but offline mode is immediately accessible in the settings menu with the addition of having controllable tile sizes. The first tile I've been able to make so far is around 86MB:

http://i.imgur.com/M1GaL.png

And covers a distance of approximately 70 sq. miles.
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Does this save satellite imagery, or only the map-ish maps? I usually use the satellite view, much more useful when you're actually trying to navigate an area (at least on foot).
 
Rocket Scientist said:
Sit down, have a drink, you might be suffering from dehydration.
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I hope you don't think Android is actually doing much for Google atm. They make more money from iOS use than they do from Android use. Not to mention Android development costs money. I hope you don't think just because they have large numbers, they are doing wonders. Facebook's numbers don't seem to help it make money. If it can't make money, it's not doing wonders.

The Albatross said:
In terms of profits, he's at least partially right.. or as right as anybody. Google is very secretive about the economic impact of YouTube, most likely because it's a major loss leader. That said, they are mining an incredible amount of content and information from YouTube, so depending on how they turn around and spin that into revenues for their other products...

But, like, if you Silo'd YouTube, it'd be a major cost for Google.
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They're also secretive about Android revenue. When they talk about Android, they always talk in terms of numbers of activations, never in terms of revenue and profit.
 
Ashhong said:
Is there a reason the offline maps is limited to that size? Or why we cant have multiple tiles? Or can we and I am mistaken?
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You can have multiples and it gets larger. I think we are well on the way to download a 10GB offline USA map in detail and be done with it.
 
shidoshi said:
Oh man do I hope that's coming to the upcoming iOS Google Maps app. Having that when over in Japan would be a godsend.
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Oh man, tell me about it.

We went during a National Holiday and were going to the Ueno Zoo our last day in Japan (our flight was hours later) only to find out when there's a holiday the day they're normally closed, they close the next day.... so we foolishly tried to walk around Ueno zoo as though it was a loop and side streets and other random stuff later... we had no idea where the heck we were in Ueno.

Downloaded a ~1MB JPEG map off this one site... $20 in roaming charges when I got back.

I look at all this Glasses stuff and wonder if anyone will ask about Prescription versions. It looks like that hasn't even occurred to anyone.
 
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