Honestly, the only time Nolan's Gotham City looked interesting was Batman Begins.
In The Dark Knight, it was literally "Hey look, here's Chicago!"
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Gotham |OT| It's not Flash, it's Gordon - Mondays 8/7c
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Honestly, the only time Nolan's Gotham City looked interesting was Batman Begins.
In The Dark Knight, it was literally "Hey look, here's Chicago!"
I'm enjoying the show, though acknowledge it's flawed. It's nothing that can't be tightened up as it goes along and Bullock/Gordon/Penguin are all well cast and acted.
Rolling my eyes pretty hard though at the Barbara bisexual drug secret with Major Crimes girl. I would like to think of all the secrets and cover-ups in Gotham we'd be spared the mire of having it in Gordon's own "home". Isn't there any way to give her depth WITHOUT her having some mysterious past? Can't a woman just have an honest career, be a supporting partner, and be strong without all that?
The pacing seems to be odd, too. Like we're jump cutting all over the place. Maybe that's just me, but it seems like they're too anxious to move the plot to slow down and enjoy the character moments.
And I guess that's why I surprisingly like the Bruce Wayne scenes, as it's just character. I could do without seeing Bruce's transformation right now, as I really wanted this to be Jim's story.
Best part of the episode was Jim realizing at the end that things are going to get much worse because the city is neck-deep in corruption.
I'll stick with this show and hope it irons everything out, because it is interesting and has a cool look.
Rolling my eyes pretty hard though at the Barbara bisexual drug secret with Major Crimes girl. I would like to think of all the secrets and cover-ups in Gotham we'd be spared the mire of having it in Gordon's own "home". Isn't there any way to give her depth WITHOUT her having some mysterious past? Can't a woman just have an honest career, be a supporting partner, and be strong without all that?
The pacing seems to be odd, too. Like we're jump cutting all over the place. Maybe that's just me, but it seems like they're too anxious to move the plot to slow down and enjoy the character moments.
And I guess that's why I surprisingly like the Bruce Wayne scenes, as it's just character. I could do without seeing Bruce's transformation right now, as I really wanted this to be Jim's story.
Best part of the episode was Jim realizing at the end that things are going to get much worse because the city is neck-deep in corruption.
I'll stick with this show and hope it irons everything out, because it is interesting and has a cool look.
krypt0nian
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In love with most everyone but Fish Mooney, you are the fucking queen.
So hoping they bring her to the comics!
So hoping they bring her to the comics!
the_firewithin
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Cobblepot continues to be the best part
a secret-boss
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the violent double kill was lol
show is great. just take out Bruce Part. really don't need it
show is great. just take out Bruce Part. really don't need it
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, there's really nothing to take from Barbara other than she's bi and smokes pot and had a relationship with Montoya. Oh and she's apparently rich or something.
Jada is putting the ham in Gotham and I don't hate it.
Jada is putting the ham in Gotham and I don't hate it.
Don't forget she lives in Gotham Clock Tower.
PureYeti
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I don't know if he was off duty but yea at that position he could easily shoot it.
Did they explain where Gordon came from in the 1st episode and I just missed it? If he's a detective, then that means he had to be a street cop at some point. If he was a street cop in Gotham City, then he'd know all about the corruption. They even make mention that his dad knew Falcone so that means he grew up in Gotham. I'm confused.
The Lone Courier
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Had me chuckling that two detectives think balloons with bodies attached to them would not fall back to earth.
dead souls
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Not great, but just like last week was better than the pilot, this was better than episode 2.
PHOENIXZERO
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Gotham PD aren't the smartest bunch. Show is getting better from episode to episode though.
Oh right! I wonder if Barbara's apparently well off family owns a newspaper, perhaps named the Oracle?
I wonder when they'll add future Batgirl Barbara, season two? She should be at least an infant at this point.
Oh right! I wonder if Barbara's apparently well off family owns a newspaper, perhaps named the Oracle?
I wonder when they'll add future Batgirl Barbara, season two? She should be at least an infant at this point.
Gotham PD aren't the smartest bunch. Show is getting better from episode to episode though.
Oh right! I wonder if Barbara's apparently well off family owns a newspaper, perhaps named the Oracle?
I wonder when they'll add future Batgirl Barbara, season two? She should be at least an infant at this point.
So Batwoman's plot is being taken by Barbara Kean?
Intriguing...
krypt0nian
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If you're out to hate it at least be in the ballpark. Jesus.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I really liked this episode! Loved The Shadow call outs to the Balloon-Man.
At least they aren't wasting time building up to the proto-vigilantes. Hopefully we get The Grey Ghost soon. Would not mind seeing The Grey Ghost and Kid Bruce team up before the Ghost is killed or something.
The two MCU cops are utterly terrible. Like... I dunno, be cops and investigate instead of going around trying to intimidate the guy you're accusing of murder without a single shred of evidence outside of the word of a career criminal that hates the guy. No wonder they haven't made a dent in the corruption of Gotham, they stick all the shitty honest cops in the MCU.
I liked the Bruce/Alfred scenes in this one. I think there have been a few comics here and there examining a younger Bruce becoming a detective in his youth, so I wouldn't mind him trying to do some investigations. I know Snyder's run dealt with the idea that Bruce chased after his parents' killer as a child and came up short (had something to do with the Court of Owls). But Thugfred is growing on me. He seemed really genuine in this episode and not all YOU BUGGER.
I like Falcone. But hiring ANHEL from Dexter to be Sal Maroni... ehhhhhh. He's alright, I guess. I guess.
Oswald was in fine form this episode. Him showing up at the ending made my jaw drop and me just totally guffaw. This fucking guy. I love the Penguin in this show. "Hello James, my old friend." Fucking, lol.
I liked the sequence of Gordon and Bullock hitting the town for info. Bullock is a barrel of fun.
The show has pretty much nailing the gritty/campy comic tone they're shooting for. It's not Schuemaker-bad. It's interesting. They do a good job of showing how rotted the city really is.
I'm really interested in what they're gonna do with Arkham. They keep mentioning it. Also really liked how they built this case off of the last episode, with the Mayor's treatment of the street kids (basically shipping them off to prison) leading to the child services guy snapping and fighting back against the corruption. I hope we see him again.
Heh
Only reason I'm kinda liking her so far, truth be told. Honestly, she's just not a particularly interesting character. This whole secret bi relationship with drug junkie past thing is falling really flat. Montoya comes off looking ridiculous, and so does Barb, who is, as I said, flat.
He could have been a beat cop in another city and transferred to Gotham.
At least they aren't wasting time building up to the proto-vigilantes. Hopefully we get The Grey Ghost soon. Would not mind seeing The Grey Ghost and Kid Bruce team up before the Ghost is killed or something.
The two MCU cops are utterly terrible. Like... I dunno, be cops and investigate instead of going around trying to intimidate the guy you're accusing of murder without a single shred of evidence outside of the word of a career criminal that hates the guy. No wonder they haven't made a dent in the corruption of Gotham, they stick all the shitty honest cops in the MCU.
I liked the Bruce/Alfred scenes in this one. I think there have been a few comics here and there examining a younger Bruce becoming a detective in his youth, so I wouldn't mind him trying to do some investigations. I know Snyder's run dealt with the idea that Bruce chased after his parents' killer as a child and came up short (had something to do with the Court of Owls). But Thugfred is growing on me. He seemed really genuine in this episode and not all YOU BUGGER.
I like Falcone. But hiring ANHEL from Dexter to be Sal Maroni... ehhhhhh. He's alright, I guess. I guess.
Oswald was in fine form this episode. Him showing up at the ending made my jaw drop and me just totally guffaw. This fucking guy. I love the Penguin in this show. "Hello James, my old friend." Fucking, lol.
I liked the sequence of Gordon and Bullock hitting the town for info. Bullock is a barrel of fun.
The show has pretty much nailing the gritty/campy comic tone they're shooting for. It's not Schuemaker-bad. It's interesting. They do a good job of showing how rotted the city really is.
I'm really interested in what they're gonna do with Arkham. They keep mentioning it. Also really liked how they built this case off of the last episode, with the Mayor's treatment of the street kids (basically shipping them off to prison) leading to the child services guy snapping and fighting back against the corruption. I hope we see him again.
Heh
Only reason I'm kinda liking her so far, truth be told. Honestly, she's just not a particularly interesting character. This whole secret bi relationship with drug junkie past thing is falling really flat. Montoya comes off looking ridiculous, and so does Barb, who is, as I said, flat.
He could have been a beat cop in another city and transferred to Gotham.
I'm 20 minutes into this episode. What the hell are you guys smoking, this shit is terrible. It's well shot but absolutely ridiculous.
Also, all these Bruce scenes are absolutely pointless. You know where he ends up, Batman is the inevitable conclusion. Some might say we haven't seen the impact of his parent's death on Bruce's childhood but who gives a flying fuck? Are they going to show a pre-pubescent Bruce Wayne start the process of molding himself into Batman? That's absolutely ridiculous! A teen Batman, maybe, but a full blown child? Think about it, an angsty 10 year old boy showing glimpses of the batman? Ludicrous.
Also, all these Bruce scenes are absolutely pointless. You know where he ends up, Batman is the inevitable conclusion. Some might say we haven't seen the impact of his parent's death on Bruce's childhood but who gives a flying fuck? Are they going to show a pre-pubescent Bruce Wayne start the process of molding himself into Batman? That's absolutely ridiculous! A teen Batman, maybe, but a full blown child? Think about it, an angsty 10 year old boy showing glimpses of the batman? Ludicrous.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's been done in the comics before. Not to this extent though.
Wiktor
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After how dark last episode was, this one was surprisngly funny. It was all dark humor, but still funny.
The Baloonman was awesome. So ridiculos and perfectly fitting into Gotham. I wonder if his disguises were writer's intentionally homages to professor Pyg and The Shadow
Dat lady killed by falling body
Penguin's work search methods And Bullock as always gets the best lines. And I'm liking what they're doing with Bruce. He has very few scenes and short ones too, but the "He killed people, so he's a criminal too" was very strong moment. The best one the kid got yet. I do hope there will be rise of vigilantes in the city, because Jesus Christ, everybody is crooked .
The show is still flawed, but I'm enjoying it quite a lot.
The Baloonman was awesome. So ridiculos and perfectly fitting into Gotham. I wonder if his disguises were writer's intentionally homages to professor Pyg and The Shadow
Dat lady killed by falling body
Penguin's work search methods And Bullock as always gets the best lines. And I'm liking what they're doing with Bruce. He has very few scenes and short ones too, but the "He killed people, so he's a criminal too" was very strong moment. The best one the kid got yet. I do hope there will be rise of vigilantes in the city, because Jesus Christ, everybody is crooked .The show is still flawed, but I'm enjoying it quite a lot.
krypt0nian
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The dark humor is my favorite part. Soo soo good.
I love this show. They know exactly what they're doing.
I love this show. They know exactly what they're doing.
Sevket-Erhat
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Tired of seeing lesbians in such shows for real
The Smoking Bun
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Okay I really enjoyed this one. Very pulpy, Batman TAS feel. They should stick to that.
It seems obvious now that even as a child Bruce would become obsessed with crime and criminals in general though I think he lacks a certain innocent naivety.
It seems obvious now that even as a child Bruce would become obsessed with crime and criminals in general though I think he lacks a certain innocent naivety.
Sevket-Erhat
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They should show Bruce dedicatng himself by learning how to fight and solve crimes more. Loved the swordfight with Alfred
uh, what?
The Smoking Bun
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They should have had Radioactve by Imagine Dragons playing when Montoya & Barbara kiss and just then Gordon walks in
I'm so tired of the 'we know where he winds up' criticism.
No, you don't. This show? Is not leading to any version of Batman (comic, film, live-action, cartoon) that we've ever seen. It's an elseworlds tale. Which means Bruce could bite it after discovering he has a long-lost brother, and his brother becomes Batman.
They can go wherever they want. If the show isn't for you, fine. But this armchair quarterbacking is the worst.
Yeah I think I'm done with this show. I gave it 3 episodes, it's not clicking.
If that's true then this show literally has no point.
Hah. Ok, you keep believing that. I'd bet everything I own that we never see a tv serial where Bruce conclusively does not end up as Batman.
The point is to get Gordon and Batman working together to save Gotham. But nothing says that means it'll be Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne.
I'm not saying that'll happen definitely. Probably won't. But until they finish the show, no-one knows how it'll end definitively. Not even the writers/producers. That's not how TV works.
Do honestly believe batman would not be Bruce Wayne? I mean come on dude. They are already pissing enough people off having a batman show without batman. If they tried some crazy shit like that, God help them.
bobawesome
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I'm surprised to find that I'm sorta coming around on this show. I still hate everything about Cobblepot, though.
I'm just saying judge the show for what it is, not for how it 'may' end. If you hate the show, fine. But don't get worked up over the final scene in two to five years.
You kind of have to expect people to compare that stuff. Look at Smallville, people don't like getting teased for years without a payoff.
Wiktor
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Is some secondary character eventual fate this important to overall success of the show though?
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I LOL'ed. I'm liking this show but for reasons, I suspect, that the writers would not approve of. I'm getting a whiff of The Cape. There's so much ham and goofyness going on. The supreme irony is that Penguin, of all villains, is grounding this show instead of turning into a live action cartoon.
I LOL'ed. I'm liking this show but for reasons, I suspect, that the writers would not approve of. I'm getting a whiff of The Cape. There's so much ham and goofyness going on. The supreme irony is that Penguin, of all villains, is grounding this show instead of turning into a live action cartoon.
This is why I'm enjoying the show.
It feels like a live-action cartoon, and I don't mean that in a bad way either. It gives me a lot of vibes from The Animated Series. TAS took itself serious, but it wasn't afraid to be goofy or silly once in a while. (Remember Condiment King?)
The only thing I didn't like about episode 3 was the Barbara/Montoya lesbian thing. Feels unnecessary.
It's weird. Normally AV Club usually matches up with how I feel about shows be it Defiance, Arrow, Doctor Who, etc but we're just not seeing eye to eye with this show at all. No way was this a C- episode. The show is getting better with each episode and this was certainly better then the first two episodes. Giving them one more episode and then I'm going have to start ignoring their reviews because they clearly are coming at this from different directions. It's not even that it's a agree to disagree situation where I can understand their problem and where they're coming from. I just don't as far as this show is concerned.
EastOfEden
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I'm sure you'll change your minds when there's a steamy lesbian sex scene
*rolls eyes*
Good episode. That bit with the body crushing the random dog walker was pretty dark, but good to see them exploring the collateral vigilantes can unwittingly cause.
Wiktor
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They keep repeating that the pulp and camp clashes with gritty realism, but I just don't see where are they taking the gritty realism from here. Nothing is realistic in this show. Everybody and everything is bigger than life and crazier/more extreme than in realworld. I can understand not everyone liking it, but the show clearly knows exactly what it is and what style is has.
Exactly. One can dislike the direction they're going in and that's fine. To claim it doesn't know what it wants to be isn't right I think. That might have been true of the first episode as it was a pilot. The second episode I think established what it was trying to be and the third confirmed it for me. There aren't any identity issues here. More that some people want to show to be something it likely was never intended to be. Which is why looking for the Nolan in it is wrong. Then to suddenly jump to Adam West because it doesn't match up what they want or expect is wrong as well. The show certainly feels to be taking more cues from Burton and the TAS.
First time watching the show and I was definitely underwhelmed. I found that "lesbian relationship" element really unnecessary and poorly done. Whoever Barbara is trying to be that shit needs to stop. The set design appears to be how Burton would create a Law and Order spinoff.
As for the characters though, I enjoyed Gordon and Bullock's relationship. Didn't see much of the Penguin however the directing during his scenes was really off-putting.
As for the characters though, I enjoyed Gordon and Bullock's relationship. Didn't see much of the Penguin however the directing during his scenes was really off-putting.
The show is incredibly hammy and is one step away from batman forever.
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