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[gutterboy44]

No throttle power is given to the tires, the rear tires are only under reduced braking power. They have 100% grip and are not moving faster than the road in any direction. There is no fishtailing. The car is on a completely flat section of road and the car is still able to turn left and right when it should only be able to go in one direction.

Here, BMW, the experts in in steering control show how a car can not turn at all when the front tires are locked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKGZGOjpNXk

Rear tires are locked in that BMW video when he starts the steering input, also in the wet.. Jesus dude, I am saying that the effect may be exaggerated in GT5 but you make it out like you can drive around the entire track with front tire lock, he wiggled a little bit at slow speed, the first change of direction being initialized at the point of lock up, not completely after. For all you know the replay animation is incorrect and the tires are actually moving near lock up, 5% roll or something but the game is visually rendering it incorrectly.

 

[TheSeks]

Any word of EB games Gamestop stores getting their shipments in? No I am not planning on pulling a Heat and robbing them...

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Card ? Thats a new one.

Sometimes I forget you're foreign.

I think he means "cad," however.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

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Sometimes I forget you're foreign.

I think he means "cad," however.

Nah, card is sometimes used in these contexts. It's a bit like saying someone is a 'joker'.

 

[-viper-]

You never know. I want tracks. You know PD will constantly work on newer enhancements and cars/tracks so that's good to know at least.

Unless these new tracks are integrated in the career mode, I couldn't care less about new tracks.

I want new cars for sure:
Ferrari 599XX / 599 GTO
Honda HSV-010 GT
Bugatti Veyron Supersport
Ascari A10
Ferrari 360 Scuderia
Aston Martin DBR9
Zonda F Roadster
Maserati MC12
Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport
Koenigsegg CCX

It would probably take them a whole year to model these cars

I know for sure we should be seeing the Honda HSV GT since Kaz confirmed they were modelling it. Unless they decide not to release DLC :\

 

[AndyD]

No throttle power is given to the tires, the rear tires are only under reduced braking power. They have 100% grip and are not moving faster than the road in any direction. There is no fishtailing. The car is on a completely flat section of road and the car is still able to turn left and right when it should only be able to go in one direction.

Here, BMW, the experts in in steering control show how a car can not turn at all when the front tires are locked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKGZGOjpNXk

That's full wet conditions. The combination of wet and lock probably means 0 steering. Hell in wet conditions sometimes you have 0 steering without brake lock based on the crappiness of your tires and speed.

But make it dry tarmac and brake lock and you can certainly change the direction the car is moving a little bit. Not enough to make turns, but enough to correct yourself if you are already in the process of a turn.

The video I posted above shows a guy change direction twice after brake lock on dry pavement. Not enough to avoid a crash, but still changed direction through brake lock steering.

 

[pix]

Some possible spoiler stuff in here from someone who has the game, (probably not) but spoiling in case....

Spoiler

I'm also interested in how much money you get in early races. Do used cars you buy need engine overhauls or need body rigidity overhauls? I really like this persistent stuff, definitely creates a pride of ownership type feeling.
all of my races so far have given me between 4000-9000 credits, Money is not a problem atm though, I have upgraded a few bits on my car and still have 70,000 credits, guess I should go buy more upgrades.

I bought my Mazda mx5 with 48000 km on it, I haven't tried engine overhaul or rigidity overhaul on it, but in my first race in it the oil light was on, so i changed that.

Yeah I'm really nerding out about stuff like that, pretty cool. I'm assuming there is an oil light on the standard GT hud right? Since he is talking about a standard car.

Yep theres a light on the HUD.

I love little touches like that

 

[Gek54]

Actually this video shows you can make slight steering changes after brake lock. Well before you careen off the road. :lol :lol
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/watchvideo/wrecking-a-s14-nissan-in-style-on-a-hill

The driver changes the direction of the car twice under steering lock all in the first 5 seconds or so. Its doable for a small change in steering, but nothing sustained. Certainly not driveable.

RATATATATA!:lol

I dont know how GT behaves, but it is possible in real life to have brake lock steering if a slight adjustment is all you need.

In that video the tires still have rotation until you see the wheel stop and smoke, at that point the car only went straight. He is only able to change the direction of the car just before he locks up.l

 

[Herpes Reasons]

I found a $95 off coupon for a g27 that retails for $299 from a well known website.

Retail: $299.00
Order Subtotal: $299.00
Tax: $0.00 (no tax in most states)
Shipping & Handling: $12.99 (ground 5-7 days)
coupon: - $94.00
GRAND TOTAL: $217.99

its the best deal i've found. im getting mine on tuesday.
hit me a pm if you want the link/coupon code.

EDIT: apparently they change the discount amount in the past 24hours to only $50.
i bought mine earlier and recieved the $94 discount.

 

[blurredvision]

Some possible spoiler stuff in here from someone who has the game, (probably not) but spoiling in case....

*quote*

I love little touches like that

Spoiler

I think the dealers in GT5 need to quit being so shady and cheap and sell us a car with fresh damn oil.

:lol

 

[Goldrusher]

Ferrari 599XX
Honda HSV-010 GT
Bugatti Veyron Supersport
Ferrari 360 Scuderia
Aston Martin DBR9
Zonda F Roadster
Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport

Why do you need the 360 Scuderia, when you have the 430 Scuderia ?
Or more Zondas, when the game already has five ?

Haven't you heard the Skyline complaints ?! One of each model is more than enough., no need for new generations and racing versions.

Anyway, joking aside, I believe Yamauchi said something about the HSV coming as DLC.

 

[Gek54]

That's full wet conditions. The combination of wet and lock probably means 0 steering. Hell in wet conditions sometimes you have 0 steering without brake lock based on the crappiness of your tires and speed.

But make it dry tarmac and brake lock and you can certainly change the direction the car is moving a little bit. Not enough to make turns, but enough to correct yourself if you are already in the process of a turn.

The video I posted above shows a guy change direction twice after brake lock on dry pavement. Not enough to avoid a crash, but still changed direction through brake lock steering.

Wet just reduces friction slightly, it doesnt get rid of it or else no one would be able to drive on a wet road. That BMW makes no change in direction.

 

[FrankNitty]

Im actually pretty hyped for B Spec mode, as well as GT Anywhere

 

[Az]

Guaranteed Delivery Date/Time: November 19, 2010, 12:00 PM

15 minutes until I go out and tipover some mailboxes

Mine is in transit and should be there now or around 2pm. And you know I am sitting here at work until 5. I am feeling a bit sick all of the sudden...

*forces cough*

 

[pix]

Why do you need the 360 Scuderia, when you have the 430 Scuderia ?
Or more Zondas, when the game already has five ?

Haven't you heard the Skyline complaints ?! One of each model is more than enough., no need for new generations and racing versions.

Anyway, joking aside, I believe Yamauchi said something about the HSV coming as DLC.

Where did Yamauchi say that?

 

[Lince]

does the install option affect the framerate and / or the LOD distance or is it there just for quicker loading times?

 

[Goldrusher]

Where did Yamauchi say that?

http://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-live-twitter-interview-with-honda/

Worst case scenario they'll save it for GT6. But if even the Prologue demo got a handful new cars and Prologue itself got over 30, I'm sure GT5 will get a few new cars at some point.

 

[pix]

Retailer Hires Weekend Warehouse Staff To Fulfill GT5 Orders

Retailer ShopTo has told IncGamers it has asked its staff to work throughout this weekend as it prepares to send out orders for what it has described as ‘our biggest ever pre-order’.

The online store, which previously told IncGamers it has seen pre-orders ‘go through the roof’, said today: “Our first consignment of Gran Turismo 5 will be arriving at our warehouse Saturday morning”.

Speaking to IncGamers, ShopTo’s Phil Driver said GT5: “Will be our biggest PS3 game of the year, we are still taking more pre-orders every day at the moment, it also looks like it might be our biggest every pre-order.

“We are very confident that we can fulfill all orders for release day. All our warehouse staff are coming in over the weekend and working double shifts.”

Driver also confirmed that the retailer’s warehouse staff will be working solely on GT5 this weekend, stating: “Over the weekend they will only be working on GT5.”

http://www.incgamers.com/News/26039/retailer-hires-weekend-warehouse-staff-to-fulfill-gt5-orders

 

[dalin80]

Im actually pretty hyped for B Spec mode, as well as GT Anywhere

There is a reasonable chance that GT anywhere will get me fired.

 

[fastford58]

All of you couch racers arguing about the dynamics of braking and turning should read up on friction circles. And don't forget, it is just a game...so if there is something wonky going on with the physics, it is understandable.

 

[Conceited]

Unless these new tracks are integrated in the career mode, I couldn't care less about new tracks.

I want new cars for sure:
Ferrari 599XX / 599 GTO
Honda HSV-010 GT
Bugatti Veyron Supersport
Ascari A10
Ferrari 360 Scuderia
Aston Martin DBR9
Zonda F Roadster
Maserati MC12
Pagani Zonda Roadster F Clubsport
Koenigsegg CCX

It would probably take them a whole year to model these cars

I know for sure we should be seeing the Honda HSV GT since Kaz confirmed they were modelling it. Unless they decide not to release DLC :\

Uh..Challenge Stradale?

 

[Fersis]

does the install option affect the framerate and / or the LOD distance or is it there just for quicker loading times?

Just the load times Euro King.

 

[Gek54]

Rear tires are locked in that BMW video when he starts the steering input, also in the wet.. Jesus dude, I am saying that the effect may be exaggerated in GT5 but you make it out like you can drive around the entire track with front tire lock, he wiggled a little bit at slow speed, the first change of direction being initialized at the point of lock up, not completely after. For all you know the replay animation is incorrect and the tires are actually moving near lock up, 5% roll or something but the game is visually rendering it incorrectly.

If he had locked only his rear tires, he would still be able to turn.

Its not an exaggeration in GT5P, its completely wrong.

I made that video, the rear tires have almost no braking power to them.

 

[Firewire]

lol, he's been talking about his skills so when the racing league starts I told him he's the team leader. It's mostly the old Rfom guys.

I have? I am?

When did I start team Firewire?

wtf is going on?

:lol

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

I have? I am?

When did I start team Firewire?

wtf is going on?

:lol

It's okay, just nod and let it happen.

 

[Az]

All of you couch racers arguing about the dynamics of braking and turning should read up on friction circles. And don't forget, it is just a game...so if there is something wonky going on with the physics, it is understandable.

Damn dude, it's okay. We kind of like each other around here so no need to be all pissy about it.

 

[Lince]

Just the load times Euro King.

ok thanks, and is it true that there's an option to turn off anti-aliasing to keep the game running @ 60 fps ?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

ok thanks, and is it true that there's an option to turn off anti-aliasing to keep the game running @ 60 fps ?

No.

 

[Fersis]

ok thanks, and is it true that there's an option to turn off anti-aliasing to keep the game running @ 60 fps ?

Dont know about that :s

 

[depward]

Good news for us Subway GT5 Firedrill winners. An email response I just got:

Hello,

Gran Turismo 5 prizes will be sent out Monday with overnight shipping to ensure an arrival by next Tuesday, November 23.

Thanks,

PrizeLogic Customer Support Team

 

[DMeisterJ]

Sorry, US, I should learn more about the world Haha

Which state?

 

[i-Lo]

Hopefully, PD will provide a free premium version or the super sport edition of Veyron soon after launch.

As a milestone car, I'm still having a hard time understanding why it isn't there as premium model to begin with especially since there are around 200 premium cars which is a small no. compared to the upscaled 800 other models.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Good news for us Subway GT5 Firedrill winners. An email response I just got:

Hello,

Gran Turismo 5 prizes will be sent out Monday with overnight shipping to ensure an arrival by next Tuesday, November 23.

Thanks,

PrizeLogic Customer Support Team

At least I know not to sit out waiting for the mail anymore. :/

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Anyone know which stealth cars Amazon UK will give?

 

[iceatcs]

ok thanks, and is it true that there's an option to turn off anti-aliasing to keep the game running @ 60 fps ?

No. I'm sure it will have different number of filter in two resolution option. 720p 4xAA or 1080p 2xAA (not sure if I'm right tho)

 

[a176]

I've been searching the interwebs for the past week and can't find any solid answers.

Mechanical damage in, or not?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Anyone know which stealth cars Amazon UK will give?

Mazda 787B & McLaren F1

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Mazda 787B & McLaren F1

F1...........Drool. Cheers.

 

[spats]

I've been searching the interwebs for the past week and can't find any solid answers.

Mechanical damage in, or not?

In.

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

Mine is in transit and should be there now or around 2pm. And you know I am sitting here at work until 5. I am feeling a bit sick all of the sudden...

*forces cough*

Yeah, good thing USPS's tracking doesn't update in real-time like UPS and Fedex, otherwise I'd probably already have left for the day if I knew it was delivered :lol

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

F1...........Drool. Cheers.

Whoa! Hold up there. Seems as though they've stopped doing them from Monday. Bad luck my man.

 

[phosphor112]

No.

What was that "flicker" option for? I remember seeing it in the TT demo. Most people remember the TT without dirt/etc, but I remember putting it on "quality" (or something like that) and it got a graphical upgrade with more particle effects and such. Any word on what EXACTLY that does?

 

[Wazzim]

I went to all stores here with a mate and we almost got our copies: the clerk went to look for the game and probably found it but then he called the manager if it was ok to sell it already So close.

Atleast now I can confirm that the Toys XL has the game in the Netherlands, the Media Markt didn't got it in though, the guy said to have only received GT5 posters.

 

[gutterboy44]

If he had locked only his rear tires, he would still be able to turn.

Its not an exaggeration in GT5P, its completely wrong.

I made that video, the rear tires have almost no braking power to them.

If this one aspect of tire friction is wrong, you must assume that everything else is modeled exactly right. It could simply be the power steering is modeled at hulk strength and the car is literally pivoting on the front wheels, regardless of their tarmac friction.

As for the friction circle comment. Yes I am well aware of that and anyone who has opened at GT manual since GT2 knows about it. It was also the a huge part of the first day of class at 3 Day Skip Barber Racing School.

From personal experience, I have gone into corners under braking, locked up tires briefly and it wasn't instant straight line, I was able to control my direction. All I am saying is there are a tremendous amount of variables in real life to deal with lock up and momentum situations, let alone in a game, moreover, in the early Prologue build of a game.

To make the blanket statement about, "Jesus Physics" from one youtube clip is not what I call definitive evidence that the entire tire model is broken in the game. Not to mention on top of all of this, Amar has commented several times at how amazing retail GT5's new tire model is.

 

[darkwing]

Retailer Hires Weekend Warehouse Staff To Fulfill GT5 Orders



http://www.incgamers.com/News/26039/retailer-hires-weekend-warehouse-staff-to-fulfill-gt5-orders

i salute the weekend warehouse staff

 

[Alucrid]

I got two emails from Amazon saying "Update on your order number ***********" It was just a vinyl shipping and a stupid Deus Ex release date change.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Whoa! Hold up there. Seems as though they've stopped doing them from Monday. Bad luck my man.

I don't understand I pre-ordered so shouldn't I get my pre-order bonus?

Is this Amazon or Sony's fault?

 

[commedieu]

If this one aspect of tire friction is wrong, you must assume that everything else is modeled exactly right. It could simply be the power steering is modeled at hulk strength and the car is literally pivoting on the front wheels, regardless of their tarmac friction.

As for the friction circle comment. Yes I am well aware of that and anyone who has opened at GT manual since GT2 knows about it. It was also the a huge part of the first day of class at 3 Day Skip Barber Racing School.

From personal experience, I have gone into corners under braking, locked up tires briefly and it wasn't instant straight line, I was able to control my direction. All I am saying is there are a tremendous amount of variables in real life to deal with lock up and momentum situations, let alone in a game, moreover, in the early Prologue build of a game.

To make the blanket statement about, "Jesus Physics" from one youtube clip is not what I call definitive evidence that the entire tire model is broken in the game. Not to mention on top of all of this, Amar has commented several times at how amazing retail GT5's new tire model is.

Honestly.. If PD's reputation & relationship to manufacturers isn't enough, KY's own exp isn't enough, GT Academy isn't enough, Your own experience isn't enough, but a youtube video is enough to show PD is clueless...

Why bother my friend... this is that whole arguing on the internet thing. No offense to you.. just saying im sure that theres more underlying issues with the guy & the franchise. Even if you win, there will be something else.

 

[Rflagg]

Will you change your avatar to show the bunny finally grabbing that carrot ?

That would be awesome

 

[blu]

No throttle power is given to the tires, the rear tires are only under reduced braking power. They have 100% grip and are not moving faster than the road in any direction. There is no fishtailing. The car is on a completely flat section of road and the car is still able to turn left and right when it should only be able to go in one direction.

Here, BMW, the experts in in steering control show how a car can not turn at all when the front tires are locked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKGZGOjpNXk

The description in your first paragraph has little to do with what you link to in the second paragraph, where both the front and rear tires are locked, and the car has zero means of changing its direction (not to mention the wet surface).

edit: doh, entirely missed gutterboy44's post at the top of the page.

 

[Torrod]

I love this time of year when everybody goes nuts over one game