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[dalin80]

Man, that Lotus in the second Top Gear race is really hard to control. I just keep spinning and spinning.

its fitted with the worst tyres in the game which is a shame because a lotus around the TGTT should have been awesome fun.

 

[mil6es]

can anyone help please, im trying to do some hotlapping with time change on the nurburgring but I go to practice in GT mode and all I have to select from is either the normal day track or the combined time change and weather version of the track and whenever I choose the combined version its always raining, what the issue there?

 

[seattle6418]

Well here is my belated view of the game after 3 days of play, sure some aren't going to like it but this is how I see GT5 and its just one man's opinion.
GT5 is a visual definition of incompetence and inconstancy in a product and features some of the most glaring issues seen this gen in a game because of its lack of focus and half-broken design. Let us start with the horrible Menus and all the work and effort just needed to get around them just to do simple things like get to the settings or to navigate around the photo tour mode, is simply idiotic and unintuitive as hell and involves for too much button clicking to do anything. Compounding this issue is the fact that PD didn't even attempt to optimize the Engine and even with the pre-install, the game's menu's as does the rest of it as well, features far too much loading. Who ever designed these menu's and then didn't attempt to lessen the loading needs to get shot, they are that bad.

As for as the graphics go, the game is a mixed bag in graphics and isn't consistent at all. You go from tracks and Cars that look utterly breath-taking one minute that instantly make you think this is the greatest looking game ever, too the next minute looking at the blandest, half-assed modeled tracks and cars the next that don't even match the graphics in a game like Ridge Racer 7 released years go. Seriously its like GT5 is two totally different games, even the tracks like London that look amazing have issues that distract from them graphically like the card board looking spectators that well, look just horrid next to the track details and just outright ruin the graphical immersion. Other issues are the crappy shadows that just look bad, and the pis-poor smoke. Another glaring issue that really shows how far behind the curve PD is now to Western Devs is their lame implementation of the ****-pit view in the Premium cars. In PGR4, a game released three years ago, playing in the cockpit view was a graphical masterpiece where realism was granted because as you played Dirt, smudges, rain, snow, etc accumulated the window. In GT5 nothing happens, your staring at sterile looking glass that doesn't properly convey that your racing in a real world at all. And let us not even get started on the Cockpit views of NFS: Shift which takes the ones in GT5 and kicks them straight in the junk. And the weather effects are ghastly, PGR4 which is three years older than GT5 completely trounces it in weather effects, its like PD didn't even attempt to try. GT games have always been visual showcases for the Playstation console they were on, GT5 is the first to fail at this and too just be "another" game.

Also have to make mention of the special races and their god awful design, who ever designed them needs to get fired. The 2nd Nascar one is total trash because ever time you try to over take a car it hits you and your disqualified, and that Top Gear track one is just trash and boring as hell. Who in their right mind makes you race in slow as hell buses and then make it so that if you bump one or just slightly get off the track your disqualified. Broken design at its worse. Some might like them, I think they are horrid.

And I utterly hate the Used cars section, and how its up to luck if I can find the car I want. What a ghastly idea for a racing game, why did they make it so utterly wonky to purchase Standard Cars? Its by far one of the worst design features ever seen in a racing game, and makes utterly makes no sense at all. To further compound this issue is that some races have car restrictions, such as only pre-1979 Japanese manufactured cars. That is cool and something most racers have, what they don't have though is a retarded used car section like GT5 does that randomly chooses what cars are available meaning it can take forever to find a car that you can use. Its mean three days now, and I still cannot get a pre-1979 car, that is lame and is just evidence of some of the worst design ideas ever.

And other issue I saw last night has to do with your profile. I was trying to change my profile pic, and every time I tried to upload a pic it stated the upload failed even though it didn't. Also after changing my control layout three times in the settings only to not have it reflected in the races, I eventually had to completely quit the game to see them changed. LOL its called testing PD, do some next time please. And what is with this lame Custom Music implementation, why can I don't just go into a menu while racing and go to my play list like normal games PD?

And let us delve for a minute into this whole premium versus standard debacle, and how it ruins the game. I can get the graphic issues, but I cannot get the poor camera views in the Standard cars that are just crap, the fact that you cannot tune them, and the already mentioned idiotic used car store design. The standard cars are just a huge misstep on PD's part. And not to mention Forza 3 because I have tried not to compare them in this post so far, but the lack of store fronts and all the car design and paint options is severally apparent in their absence for a long time Forza 3 player. Its called evolution PD, something you are apparently opposed to.

Also I hate how the damage is set up, it should be selectable from the beginning and not dependent on your level, who thought that was a smart idea. And even then, when you do finally get it cranking, its just not very good and really doesn't have the impact on races that it does in another Racer that I will not name. And why hasn't PD fixed the crappy bumper car physics yet, sure the engine is better than it has been, but the unrealistic bumper car physics are still very much there. This was something PD promised to fix, yet still hasn't.

After 5 years and millions of dollars one thing is evident, PD has lost its way and might never regain it. GT5 goes from moments of sheer greatness and brilliance to moments of pure mediocrity, with the mediocrity being more prevalent IMO. GT5 is a good racer, but this is GT, good isn't enough. the GT series has always been about setting standards and PD has always been about perfection, but there are no standards to acheive this time for other racers since they have already bested GT5 in a great many things and PD was way of the mark as far as perfection goes. From EA this would be acceptable, but not from PD.

GT5 is not a game for everybody. It´s for car lovers, but maybe not so much for the regular gamers.

You can´t compare a driving simulator to a game like PGR. Apples and oranges. Since the driving model evolved, people are bitching about it. If the game is too much of a sim, it gets hammered. That´s why games like Rfactor and GTR are niche games. People get frustrated if they find it difficult and start complaining about things that are not the core of the game. I´m not saying GT5 is a full hardcore sim, but it took steps towards it. Handling seems to be great based on people´s impressions and that should be 60% or more of what the game really is and how it should be judged.

So far the list of major flaws for GT5 consists of:

Standard cars looking bad
Menu Interface
Something with the shadows
Aliasing

It´s impossible to look at that list and not "facepalm". If these things are considered important in a driving simulator, then GT5 is not for you. GT games are different, they are very niche, but they sell well because there´s a lot of petrolheads out there.

That are some obvious flaws with the game, but the sheer size and scope of the game, coupled with the gameplay being it´s strongest selling point, should compensate for some minor glitches like the shadows or any other useless bullshit that people choose to pick on it.

If that kind of thing ruins the game, GT5 is not for you.

 

[Lion Heart]

Ok the shadow thing I mentioned earlier today is absulutely repeatable. Just try out drinving on Tsubaka Circuit and even with premium cars the shadows are perfect. It might actually be a thing they scale with the size of the track.

And a question for my fellow GAFers: What's the car you just love to drive that is not some exotic italian beast? For me it's the Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C. That car is such a joy to drive, it handles perfectly.

I still haven't got to the good cars yet but I can't wait to buy this car.

 

[Ashes]

Advice to people who are trying the gt license... I used to be good in this game, and now I was struggling... I think the problem was that I was adhering to guide lines, and not going balls to the wall, like I used to... Trust your instincts, you know how to drive, drive on the edge, and these are easy.... Go all out instead of being clean etc...

 

[DangerousDave]

BTW... when you want to buy a car... the game don't warn you that you already got it?

 

[scotcheggz]

Has anyone got the "Picture Exclusive" trophy yet?

Probably not, but possibly a trophy spoiler, so I'm playing it safe:

Spoiler

"Take a picture of a special someone as he stands in Kyoto's Gion district." I took the photo and got the trophy but I have no idea who he was... Who is it?

 

[PetriP-TNT]

S Licence is mine, now all thats left is to drive to my hearts content and hone my skills to perfection

 

[Ashes]

GT5 is not a game for everybody. It´s for car lovers, but maybe not so much for the regular gamers.

You can´t compare a driving simulator to a game like PGR. Apples and oranges. Since the driving model evolved, people are bitching about it. If the game is too much of a sim, it gets hammered. That´s why games like Rfactor and GTR are niche games. People get frustrated if they find it difficult and start complaining about things that are not the core of the game. I´m not saying GT5 is a full hardcore sim, but it took steps towards it. Handling seems to be great based on people´s impressions and that should be 60% or more of what the game really is and how it should be judged.

So far the list of major flaws for GT5 consists of:

Standard cars looking bad
Menu Interface
Something with the shadows
Aliasing

It´s impossible to look at that list and not "facepalm". If these things are considered important in a driving simulator, then GT5 is not for you. GT games are different, they are very niche, but they sell well because there´s a lot of petrolheads out there.

That are some obvious flaws with the game, but the sheer size and scope of the game, coupled with the gameplay being it´s strongest selling point, should compensate for some minor glitches like the shadows or any other useless bullshit that people choose to pick on it.

If that kind of thing ruins the game, GT5 is not for you.

And here I find myself agreeing with you!

 

[darkwing]

Has anyone got the "Picture Exclusive" trophy yet?

Probably not, but possibly a trophy spoiler, so I'm playing it safe:

Spoiler

"Take a picture of a special someone as he stands in Kyoto's Gion district." I took the photo and got the trophy but I have no idea who he was... Who is it?

hmm i don't believe anyone knows yet

 

[djSyndrome]

Bought a yellow STi Wagon VI
Used the paint chip on the '07 model

 

[EarsOfASnake]

So far the list of major flaws for GT5 consists of:

Standard cars looking bad
Menu Interface
Something with the shadows
Aliasing

Only one of those is a subjective problem though, Standard cars looking worse is a fact, aliasing and shadows are technical issues. Regardless there is no reason why those parts of the game should be as bad as they are, it really stands out because the driving part (the most important part) is just so damn good.

 

[alba]

Has anyone got the "Picture Exclusive" trophy yet?

Probably not, but possibly a trophy spoiler, so I'm playing it safe:

Spoiler

"Take a picture of a special someone as he stands in Kyoto's Gion district." I took the photo and got the trophy but I have no idea who he was... Who is it?

I might be absolutely wrong but I've heard something along the lines of

Spoiler

what Ayrton Senna would look like if he was still alive

:O Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[LCfiner]

GT5 is not a game for everybody. It´s for car lovers, but maybe not so much for the regular gamers.

You can´t compare a driving simulator to a game like PGR. Apples and oranges. Since the driving model evolved, people are bitching about it. If the game is too much of a sim, it gets hammered. That´s why games like Rfactor and GTR are niche games. People get frustrated if they find it difficult and start complaining about things that are not the core of the game. I´m not saying GT5 is a full hardcore sim, but it took steps towards it. Handling seems to be great based on people´s impressions and that should be 60% or more of what the game really is and how it should be judged.

So far the list of major flaws for GT5 consists of:

Standard cars looking bad
Menu Interface
Something with the shadows
Aliasing

It´s impossible to look at that list and not "facepalm". If these things are considered important in a driving simulator, then GT5 is not for you. GT games are different, they are very niche, but they sell well because there´s a lot of petrolheads out there.

That are some obvious flaws with the game, but the sheer size and scope of the game, coupled with the gameplay being it´s strongest selling point, should compensate for some minor glitches like the shadows or any other useless bullshit that people choose to pick on it.

If that kind of thing ruins the game, GT5 is not for you.

that’s not what he’s complaining about. if anything, he wants it to be more difficult and sim-like as he wants damage to be available from the beginning.

and standard cars are not only a problem because of looks but in how you obtain them and how they are necessary for some races. it’s a problem that shouldn’t exist.


also, you can’t really say a game is niche when the series sells millions of copies. GT is huge as it was the only real console driving sim around back in the 90s and the brand carries some serious cachet. the concept was niche back when GT1 came out but not anymore.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Has anyone got the "Picture Exclusive" trophy yet?

Probably not, but possibly a trophy spoiler, so I'm playing it safe:

Spoiler

"Take a picture of a special someone as he stands in Kyoto's Gion district." I took the photo and got the trophy but I have no idea who he was... Who is it?

Only PD knows for sure. There's speculation that it's an aged version of Ayrton Senna or Gilles Villeneuve.

 

[MrPliskin]

Eurogamer article on GT5's online functionality: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-26-gran-turismo-5-online-article

They mention all GTTV content is free, but there's actually a plethora of videos available for $2.99 outside of the free content.

 

[dofry]

DFGT bought!

YEEEeeeeeeaaaah!

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FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[brotkasten]

its fitted with the worst tyres in the game which is a shame because a lotus around the TGTT should have been awesome fun.

Well, that would explain it. Anything you can do about that? I'm driving with a wheel and without any assists.

 

[marc^o^]

There's also a complaint with AI, but I read in 1up review anf from impressions elsewhere that it keeps improving with the levels. The video I just posted seems to confirm that as well. Any other people far enough in the game want to comment on that?

 

[Huggers]

Remember guys I'm setting up a GAF room in 4 and a half hours if you want in.

Should be up for a good few hours and hopefully we can cycle through a good few games, tracks and car types.

Get your suggestions in now & I'll cycle through them (providing nobody keeps starting the game), hopefully we will have 16/16.

What the deal with this? You have to just 'go to track' and not 'start race' right?

Also which one of you is Memphis and why are you giving me stick about my lisence grades? :lol

 

[chubigans]

Oh no dofry, how the heck did that happen?

 

[mrklaw]

Is there a reason to have more than one b-spec driver? Do later events let you enter multiple drivers?

I'd much prefer b-spec to not need so much hand-holding, I don't remember GT4 needing so much attention.

That's been the highlight for me so far.

I'm surprised how much I like the Nascar stuff. I frigging hate that sport irl.


Edit: Right now my Bspec guy can't even keep the car on the track. I press nothing and he still spins out over and over. That can't be right. :lol

I think you have to reign him in with the 'slow the hell down' icon. I gave my driver my Z4 and he was spinning out on sharp corners all the time. Slow him down just before that section, then speed him up again when its safer.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Is there a reason to have more than one b-spec driver? Do later events let you enter multiple drivers?

I'd much prefer b-spec to not need so much hand-holding, I don't remember GT4 needing so much attention.

You'll need to change them for endurance races.

 

[Huggers]

GT5 is not a game for everybody. It´s for car lovers, but maybe not so much for the regular gamers.

You can´t compare a driving simulator to a game like PGR. Apples and oranges. Since the driving model evolved, people are bitching about it. If the game is too much of a sim, it gets hammered. That´s why games like Rfactor and GTR are niche games. People get frustrated if they find it difficult and start complaining about things that are not the core of the game. I´m not saying GT5 is a full hardcore sim, but it took steps towards it. Handling seems to be great based on people´s impressions and that should be 60% or more of what the game really is and how it should be judged.

So far the list of major flaws for GT5 consists of:

Standard cars looking bad
Menu Interface
Something with the shadows
Aliasing

It´s impossible to look at that list and not "facepalm". If these things are considered important in a driving simulator, then GT5 is not for you. GT games are different, they are very niche, but they sell well because there´s a lot of petrolheads out there.

That are some obvious flaws with the game, but the sheer size and scope of the game, coupled with the gameplay being it´s strongest selling point, should compensate for some minor glitches like the shadows or any other useless bullshit that people choose to pick on it.

If that kind of thing ruins the game, GT5 is not for you.

 

[h3ro]

Is it weird that the fact that the menu screen before you go into GT mode (with your current car in a picturesque setting) not being as "crisp" as it was in Prologue really bugs me?

It seems that just for menu/garage displaying of cars, PD instituted a blur filter or something that makes the models and backgrounds look fuzzy. Not a fan.

I wonder if there is a way for them to go back to Prologue's method or maybe give us the option? Also, PD, PLEASE add fast forward options for B-spec!


Gowans, if I'm home by then, I'll join the races.

 

[dofry]

Oh no dofry, how the heck did that happen?

Don't screw the screws too tightly...I'm screwed. And the shop is closed for today, but the GT day has just started.

 

[Fafalada]

Just try out drinving on Tsubaka Circuit and even with premium cars the shadows are perfect. It might actually be a thing they scale with the size of the track.

Given how shadow-mapping normally works(especially when it's done naively), I highly doubt the shadow quality variations are intentional.
Granted we can't rule out the possibility(eg. memory related scaling, as silly as that would be) without seeing under the hood of the game, but then again it's also 'possible' it's due to a bug - games HAVE been shipped with similar issues in the past that could have been easily fixed if deadlines were different.

 

[Ashes]

yep all b licenses golded... Have to put the game down now and get to work on my nanowrimo thing...

I love pushing gold v gti'05 through it's paces. B-7 was awesome... Pushed that car to it's very limits...

I was bit worried that I wasn't actually rusty that I actually wasn't very good before, but's coming along.... finally...

I feel for some reason, that I should not like this game on some sort of priniciple... like that there are valid complaints and I shouldn't like this game... but maybe I just different... I've literally spend half the day on just golding licenses... each to their own. I have to put it down, now and get to work....

 

[Solal]

GT5 is such a failure! Yamauchi should be fired rignt now.

 

[LCfiner]

Don't screw the screws too tightly...I'm screwed. And the shop is closed for today, but the GT day has just started.

you’re not screwed. I had this happen to my old DFGT.

use the remaining clamp plus some double sided tape on the broken side. the wheel will be very sturdy.

you can get away with no tape but then it MIGHT slip around a little if you really manhandle the thing.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Almost won the Lotus challenge. Got a little bit too greedy from the second place and drove into a cone.


And I have to say, I don't understand the UI dissing. Everything is behind 1-2 clicks and easily found.

 

[darkwing]

you’re not screwed. I had this happen to my old DFGT.

use the remaining clamp plus some double sided tape on the broken side. the wheel will be very sturdy.

you can get away with no tape but then it MIGHT slip around a little if you really manhandle the thing.

yeah but wont the wheel be more or less be attached to the table?

 

[dofry]

you’re not screwed. I had this happen to my old DFGT.

use the remaining clamp plus some double sided tape on the broken side. the wheel will be very sturdy.

you can get away with no tape but then it MIGHT slip around a little if you really manhandle the thing.

The store clerk is a friend, so I might get a replacement tomorrow. If no, then double sided tape it is.

edit: This table is a 2 euro coffee table, so messing around with tape is a valid option. =)

 

[Herpes Reasons]

I'm most likely in if I am not at bar/drinking.

Don't drink and drive folks!

I have a brlliant idea. We should have a drinking lobby for drunk Gaf.

 

[nib95]

So I hope someone can answer me here :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24591360&postcount=9736

To activate clutch hit triangle just as a race starts.

 

[LCfiner]

yeah but wont the wheel be more or less be attached to the table?

I’m not sure what you mean. it’s clamped, yes, but the lack of a second clamp means that the wheel could pivot in your hands if you really jerk it around hard. the tape helps eliminate that

edit: and I meant double sided scotch tape. that shit should just peel off any table with no issues unless it has a real shitty paint job.

 

[Xater]

Given how shadow-mapping normally works(especially when it's done naively), I highly doubt the shadow quality variations are intentional.
Granted we can't rule out the possibility(eg. memory related scaling, as silly as that would be) without seeing under the hood of the game, but then again it's also 'possible' it's due to a bug - games HAVE been shipped with similar issues in the past that could have been easily fixed if deadlines were different.

I might remeber it wrong but didn#t some here quote Kaz that the shadows can not be fixed? That sounds more like an engine thing that has to happen, instead of a bug. Although I have to say theway they look right now most of the time it looks more like a bug.

 

[seattle6418]

Only one of those is a subjective problem though, Standard cars looking worse is a fact, aliasing and shadows are technical issues. Regardless there is no reason why those parts of the game should be as bad as they are, it really stands out because the driving part (the most important part) is just so damn good.

I know, i said GT5 does have some issues. But the thing is: Is it a game breaker?

What i find hard to believe is that for some people it is, and that affects how they view/judge/enjoy the game.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

I have a brlliant idea. We should have a drinking lobby for drunk Gaf.

HA! Drunken karting would be awesome

 

[TheExodu5]

FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Wow...how did it break off? I was always surprised they never broke off on my G25. They're sturdy as hell for me.

 

[Metalmurphy]

You know you're too hooked to GT5 when you try to hit every apex in every corner... while walking home...




So... first official GT5 weekend. How about we get some official NeoGAF track days started? I kinda need to test the online stuff extensively for the league. I'm still not sure if all tracks support 16 players for one.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

People are comparing anything to GT 5 even games that run at 30fps WTF.
While GT 5 gfx are inconsistent the fact is it's a good look game doing more thing than any other racing game and still looks better .(not counting PC)
It rather easy to pick the best for many games just to down play what GT 5 is doing .
I'll take my 16 players races any day over better shadows.

 

[Y2Kev]

You know you're too hooked to GT5 when you try to hit every apex in every corner... while walking home...




So... first official GT5 weekend. How about we get some official NeoGAF track days started? I kinda need to test the online stuff extensively for the league. I'm still not sure if all tracks support 16 players for one.

After I got GT4, I was out in the snow with my mom's jeep once and tried to do a late apex style turn around my block and almost died.

 

[MrPliskin]

To activate clutch hit triangle just as a race starts.

This no longer has to be done, and was covered a while ago. Just hit the clutch pedal and, viola, you're set.

 

[CozMick]

You know you're too hooked to GT5 when you try to hit every apex in every corner... while walking home...




So... first official GT5 weekend. How about we get some official NeoGAF track days started? I kinda need to test the online stuff extensively for the league. I'm still not sure if all tracks support 16 players for one.

Maybe you should wait until tomorrows patch? (on a Saturday?)

The added extras may be needed.

 

[darkwing]

You know you're too hooked to GT5 when you try to hit every apex in every corner... while walking home...




So... first official GT5 weekend. How about we get some official NeoGAF track days started? I kinda need to test the online stuff extensively for the league. I'm still not sure if all tracks support 16 players for one.

if the servers can stand the weekend, but aren't they going to upgrade the servers or something?

 

[blu]

if the servers can stand the weekend, but aren't they going to upgrade the servers or something?

IIRC they already did, 500K -> 1M.

 

[CozMick]

Also, I'm going out of my bloody mind here.

Regarding my DFGT pedals, I now know that the clunking noise when applying the brakes is normal, but is the first 20mm of the pedal meant to be loose?

Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbXv_yacmcc&NR=1?

Any info would be appreciated.............again, thanks

 

[offshore]

Eurogamer article on GT5's online functionality: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-26-gran-turismo-5-online-article

There's nothing like the baying of a dissatisfied community to focus a developer's mind. Polyphony has consistently underperformed in this area, from the cancellation of GT4's online mode to GT5 Prologue's disappointing offering, and perhaps the only way for it to learn is on the job.

Spot on.

 

[blackdevil]

There will be a patch tomorrow

"We received a lot of demands for having more regulations placed on the online play. We're going to perform an update on the 27th that will include things like max power restrictions and weight restrictions"