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Gran Turismo 6 - Bathurst trailer
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Metalmurphy
Member
Day 1 GAF race, pls goddess
I don't think I'll be pre-ordering this one, so someone else better organize it.
SolidSnakex
Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-17-gran-turismo-6s-audio-likely-to-be-patched-post-release
PD does do actual engine recordings, so the problem is there. Something goes wrong between that recording and transferring them into the games. They become heavily filtered, processed, muffled and they end up losing what makes them unique in the process. If they can fix that then everything will be fine.
gutterboy44
Member
Oh man, that Volvo art is awesome.
I feel the sound issue hit a tipping point with GT5 and now with GT6 (so it seems) where the fidelity of everything else became so impressive, it made the sound issues that much more of a distraction. Getting into an Enzo (cockpit view) on SSR7 in the rain and you are completely immersed...except the sound. I definitely agree with Amar on the fact that you can have shitty sounds in other ways, such as horrible mixing, way over done "throaty" or "beefy" exhaust (see: Shift series) sounds that go overboard in trying to be super awesome rad pink slip racing mountain dew fueled awesome anus blasting fast and furious bro scene. GT sound mixing is not without its flaws. You can't even hear your own RPM in your race trimmed LM cars with two fucking fiat 500s in front of you, you still get their engine note 1000% louder than your own cars.
The vacuum sfx issues need to be put out to pasture and shot in the back of the head with a 12 gauge. When I fire up GT6 and I instantly go to the drivers license tests, because that is how you play a GT game damn it! I want to be reminded of my GT nostalgia and that first time playing GT1. However, when I blast down a straight away in a Skyline and I hear it's engine note, I do NOT want to be reminded of a PS1 era game.
I feel the sound issue hit a tipping point with GT5 and now with GT6 (so it seems) where the fidelity of everything else became so impressive, it made the sound issues that much more of a distraction. Getting into an Enzo (cockpit view) on SSR7 in the rain and you are completely immersed...except the sound. I definitely agree with Amar on the fact that you can have shitty sounds in other ways, such as horrible mixing, way over done "throaty" or "beefy" exhaust (see: Shift series) sounds that go overboard in trying to be super awesome rad pink slip racing mountain dew fueled awesome anus blasting fast and furious bro scene. GT sound mixing is not without its flaws. You can't even hear your own RPM in your race trimmed LM cars with two fucking fiat 500s in front of you, you still get their engine note 1000% louder than your own cars.
The vacuum sfx issues need to be put out to pasture and shot in the back of the head with a 12 gauge. When I fire up GT6 and I instantly go to the drivers license tests, because that is how you play a GT game damn it! I want to be reminded of my GT nostalgia and that first time playing GT1. However, when I blast down a straight away in a Skyline and I hear it's engine note, I do NOT want to be reminded of a PS1 era game.
This is a exaggerated description imo. At least for some of the cars anyway. Did you play the GT6 demo at all? I'd say the only car that sounded extremely electronic or whispy was the Leaf, and that actually is an electronic and wispy sounding car lol.
The Nismo GT3 actually sounds far whispier in real life lol.
Real life Nizmo GT3
GT6 Demo Nizmo GT3
Whilst they could have toned down the whisp and upped the bass (GT seriously needs more bass and aggression) on the GT-R for example, it's actually not too far off the real thing which does indeed have that turbo whine.
Real life GT-R
GT6 demo GT-R
I think it's true that with some cars GT are way off, but it's actually more accurate than some of the competitors in a few as well (turbo whine, shifts on some cars etc), the latter whom tend to exaggerate things massively for added audiovisual effect at the behest of realism. Be interesting to see if GT6 improves things at all. I certainly wasn't put off by the sounds of the cars in the demo, though there's still definite room for improvement.
ethomaz
Banned
That's a bad example... I don't want to hear the super powerful sound faked in Forza... I prefer far way what we have in GT.
GT need to improve in sound department but please they don't need to kill the sound to make more commercial... I prefer always a more realistic sound in a sim racing.
BTW there are cars in GT with have close real-life sound... just make that for all cars ;-).
Well, there you go.
Not holding my breath but we shall see if sound was indeed a priority or not.
Believe me, I'm fucking dying here man. I want to be able to enjoy the game and have the best experience possible. Sound is an integral part of a racing game for me, more-so than finely modeled leather stitching on a steering wheel or the greatest lighting on earth.
I want to feel like I'm driving a highly modified racing beast and not some gimped granny spec, run of the mill grocery getter.
I'm not saying every car or effect is terrible. There are few instances where it goes right.
But man, I cry when I see other games at least try and offer some sort of great auditory experiences whilst The Pioneer stagnates..
Probably the greatest attempt at a V8 Supercar sound
Into my veins
Does GT6 have a dynamic in car camera? Or it's still fixed?
Metalmurphy
Member
It was never fixed. It's nothing like what you're seeing there though. I mean, wouldn't even make sense if it was.
Solution: Extend PD's offices to EU and hire more peeps. I think KY needs to have a team of at least 250-300 for his nasty ideas to become achievable.
yep
ethomaz
Banned
paradise_circus
Member
I'm just curious.
But has there EVER been a Gran Turismo trailer that was not "bullshot"?
All the trailers I've seen so far of GT6 are downright impossible to be running on the PS3, especially after seeing some actual in-game GT5 screenshots.
I'd take sounds that sound like the cars I have sat in even if the spatial differences are not as pronounced. Unrealistic sounds with spatial differences are still unrealistic sounds. I have an old Mustang, and the one in the game sounds pathetic.
And that PD, is how it should be done.
It's probably one of the cars they haven't actually recorded in real life. I'd imagine many are simply made up. Hopefully they can improve on that.
I actually rate it as one of the better sounds in the game, it is just nothing like the real thing at all.
In other GT threads I have said I would prefer a bit of exaggeration to make up for the lack of vibration and randomness of a real cars noises, I still would prefer that over a clinical pure recording. It doesn't convey the experience of being in a fast car at all.
Dragonborn
Member
I doubt PD has to care about what any other racers do. Sure, they probably look at them, but GT is a huge, huge franchise that will sell millions regardless. A lot of the problems are over exaggerated too. It's in it's own league when it comes to racing game, Forza isn't even remotely close sales wise, and while some people may prefer, it's not yet dethroned GT given the numbers.
I agree with you. That's really the main thing. All it needs is a bit more bass and aggression, a touch of reverb etc. Not a huge overhaul, just more grunt. And better surround sound speaker alignment as well.
Currently I just set my bass up on my surround sound system for GT and it does the job pretty well, but I shouldn't have to add in extra bass really. I will say though, the Nizmo GT3 in the GT6 demo sounds amazing. I was seriously impressed.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I'm impressed. The GT-R sounds lifelike.
gutterboy44
Member
How do they still have no transmission sound effects? Such a glaring omission. The GT6 videos so far only make things worse. People analyze the sound and look for any marginal improvement. But lets say on a sfx quality scale of 0-10 we would like to see GT at an 8, they have been "improving" from an 5 to 5.1 to a 5.3. Yes there are improvements, but it is minute and only improving on what I consider a horrifically flawed system of sound implementation.
R_thanatos
Member
Serious question : couldn't you have that affect if you use head tracking ?
I guess I'm not surprised that a GT-R would sound lifelike in Gran Turismo. I guess the good thing is that it means that half the cars in the game sound lifelike. ;-)
Yeah, pretty much. With the newer car models they have done a decent job with a few of them, but the supercars, race cars, and classic cars are pretty busted.
phosphor112
Banned
Have you never seen a trailer for a video game before?
Take a guess.
This isn't a bit polished with a bit steadier framerate, this is a completely different game that they are showing.
Can you explain what you mean by no transmission sound effects? I'm pretty sure they're they're unless you're referring to something else. Can you give an example?
Liamario
Banned
I have to agree. The trailer is a lie. The demo they released, although unfinished, looked even worse than GT5. I can imagine some improvements, but there is no way in hell it's going to get anywhere close to what they imply with the trailers. No doubt the PS4 version would be hit close, but PS3 version will look nothing like what the trailers are suggesting.
What on Earth are you on about? No it didn't. Shadows, lighting, grass, tree's, aliasing, shaders etc have all been improved in GT6, and that's based on an unfinished demo. Not exactly a massive difference, but it's an improvement none-the-less, and on ageing hardware to boot.
Maybe a slight improvement but far, far, FAR from the trailer. Guess nothing in the trailer explicitly states the game will look exactly like that, but it's still pretty damn shady. What is this wonderful game we are seeing in the trailer? GT6 on a PC?
And not everything is improved from GT5 either. Some things are seemingly lower quality, for example the motion blur and the anisotrophic filtering definitely seems lower quality.
Vorg
Banned
If that means 60 fps without screen tearing, I guess it's worth it.
What about the trailer is so impressive to you? It's pretty much exactly the same thing but down sampled and with added filters (for cinematic and filmic effect). Probably about what you can expect in replay mode, minus the movie effects (vignetting, black and white etc).
??? You better go rewatch that trailer.
To name a few things:
3D, wonderfully detailed, trees and environment in general
Extreme tesselation on all cars
Perfect AA
Super high shadow resolution
Huge drawdistance, and detailed backgrounds far away
Way prettier lighting than the demo
Better motion blur
Beautiful post-processing, such as high contrast filters and color grading
Solid, steady framerate even from longshots with miles of drawdistance and all cars in full details.
I'm not even sure you are serious when you post things like that nib. Please get off the Sony-horse and let's have a real discussion for once.
SolidSnakex
Member
Name exactly waht it is. They're using the same models that you're see in the game, the same lighting engine and the same courses. None of that is changed or swapped with the trailer. They're just running it at a higher resolution and with better AA, and that's basically normal practice in the industry nowadays with trailers.
I've watched it 3 times. It's taken straight from in-game engine, as I said before, just down-sampled (no aliasing, better filtering) and with filmic post process effects. I can see lower res assets all over the place (textures, tree's, polygons etc).
velociraptor
Junior Member
Image quality, motion blur and depth of field looks superior. Assets are otherwise the same.
Agree. But they add some of those motion blur and depth of field affects in replay mode in the game too. Clearly the PD design team has been having a blast with After Effects, because there's a lot of filmic editing going on in there lol.
I know this has been posted a million times but what differentiates GT from most games is their lighting. It's the same for trailers and actual gameplay. Everything else is super sampled like the ingame replays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kQO6JHZl-Cs#t=33
They could easily pass this as a ps4 game for the lighting alone.
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
I just want to know more about a-spec events, mechanical damage implementation in a-spec mode, etc.
That direct feed video looks better than any trailer they've released lol.
LOL sure does. Plus the infamous spa video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YAFPPg0OCPI#t=40
Can't wait to see their next gen stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6O-CCQzRc1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEnT0lsYlyE
Like seriously.